Rays have the prospects….get him for this season and next then deal him in 23-24 offseason to recoup a big chunk of your cost.
It happens all the time, Strasburg and Rendon are the first two recent examples to come to mind.This reminds me of that old game Time Bomb. The two years he's under control are you plotting strategy, as long as it doesn't explode in your face while you're the one holding the contract.
One of these years, a player getting one of these massive deals is going to get injured to the extent that he can't come back to what made him "worth" the deal in the first place. And then you're stuck.
Did the final Longoria deal really deliver for Tampa Bay?It happens all the time, Strasburg and Rendon are the first two recent examples to come to mind.
Hasn’t this happened with most of these deals? They’re generally pretty awful with a few exceptions.This reminds me of that old game Time Bomb. The two years he's under control are you plotting strategy, as long as it doesn't explode in your face while you're the one holding the contract.
One of these years, a player getting one of these massive deals is going to get injured to the extent that he can't come back to what made him "worth" the deal in the first place. And then you're stuck.
Quite honestly, I'm glad if they don't.He was a Red Sox fan growing up in the D.R., but I don't think they have the firepower to compete with other teams' potential trade offers.
He has two years left.Hasn’t this happened with most of these deals? They’re generally pretty awful with a few exceptions.
Worse though is the idea of trading the farm for half a season of anyone. That’s insanity. If the Sox want this guy wait until the winter and he’ll be there for absolute top dollar.
But I’d rather they pay Devers. At least we know he can handle the media and fans here.
"Horrible team with one great star who definitely won't re-sign here in 2 years" doesn't scream franchise value to me.I will be shocked if the Lerners trade Soto. Getting rid of the only real draw the team currently has seems like a really bad way to maximize franchise value for a potential sale.
If he were looking to that he would have resigned with Washington. Out of curiosity, why does he come off as an arrogant asshole?Personally, I want to see some small- to mid-market team break the bank to sign him so he can wallow in last place for the next 15 seasons because they don’t have enough money to build a team around him. He comes across like an arrogant a-hole to me. Let him get his money and enjoy being on a sh* tty team.
Well, he could have just signed with the Nats then.Personally, I want to see some small- to mid-market team break the bank to sign him so he can wallow in last place for the next 15 seasons because they don’t have enough money to build a team around him. He comes across like an arrogant a-hole to me. Let him get his money and enjoy being on a sh* tty team.
I mean, they offered him $440M! He is a Boras client, seems like nothing will stop him from going to FA, understandably.Big contracts to Patrick Corbin and Stephen Strasburg preventing you from signing Juan Soto.
If they offered him $440m it doesn't seem like those contracts prevented the Nats from signing him, it seems like he doesn't want to commit to 15 years on a team that sucks right now.Some of us on here may be upset that signing Sale and Eovaldi may have prevented us from signing Mookie long term but imagine being a Nats fan. Big contracts to Patrick Corbin and Stephen Strasburg preventing you from signing Juan Soto. Even worse, imagine trading him to the Dodgers, after already sending them Scherzer and Trea Turner last year.
Agree. Good thing he's signed longer than that.Worse though is the idea of trading the farm for half a season of anyone.
Mookie insisted he was going to free agency until he got traded and the Dodgers bludgeoned him with a sack of money.I mean, they offered him $440M! He is a Boras client, seems like nothing will stop him from going to FA, understandably.
Mookie was going to free agency until a global pandemic generated a massive question mark about the free agent market.Mookie insisted he was going to free agency until he got traded and the Dodgers bludgeoned him with a sack of money.
At some point, everyone has a number. Maybe Soto does hold out because he’s so young and can probably get two insane contracts if he stays healthy.
Mookie wasn't a Boras client plus all of the Covid uncertainty at that time made that a special case.Mookie insisted he was going to free agency until he got traded and the Dodgers bludgeoned him with a sack of money.
At some point, everyone has a number. Maybe Soto does hold out because he’s so young and can probably get two insane contracts if he stays healthy.
Maybe I just seem to catch him at the wrong moments. But, I can't count the number of times where I've seen him get pitched inside and he starts glaring and jawing at the pitcher, like it's some huge offense for him to get pitched inside. And, the amount of swagger he carries himself with just comes off as dickish to me. Like, get over yourself! You're not God's gift to baseball! And, maybe I'm projecting all of this on him. That's just how he comes across to me.If he were looking to that he would have resigned with Washington. Out of curiosity, why does he come off as an arrogant asshole?
Those guys were free agents. Offering 440m to a guy who is 2.5 years away is nuts, and declining it means he does not want to be there. That's his choice and I have no problem with that, but there is no reason to compare his AAV to actual free agents. If they had offered 10/370 he still would've said no.No way Soto was accepting a salary under $30 million. Maybe mid-$30 millions because they’re buying out 2 arb years, but Correa got $35 million, Scherzer $43 million, I think you have to get to a minimum $37 million. It’s strange to say 15/$440 is insulting but like, 12/$440 with some options would have been a true “he just doesn’t want to be here if he says no” offer.
And 15 years is such a long time that if Soto took the deal, you probably wouldn't want to take the bet on him still being in baseball by the end of the contract.Those guys were free agents. Offering 440m to a guy who is 2.5 years away is nuts, and declining it means he does not want to be there. That's his choice and I have no problem with that, but there is no reason to compare his AAV to actual free agents. If they had offered 10/370 he still would've said no.
Soto is going to earn an approximately 21-22 million or so next year and probably breaks the arbitration record of 27 million in the following year. They are basically offering him his last year arbitration salary with a million or so bump. That is a lot to give up even if you are getting some security.Those guys were free agents. Offering 440m to a guy who is 2.5 years away is nuts, and declining it means he does not want to be there. That's his choice and I have no problem with that, but there is no reason to compare his AAV to actual free agents. If they had offered 10/370 he still would've said no.
What I've noticed, and what I was told by a former team exec, is that things like taxes don't matter. What these guys care about is setting the bar. They want to be able to say they got the most guaranteed money or highest AAV. That's why debates about whether a guy would rather play in Texas vs California are irrelevant. No one talks about what they take home each pay check. They talk about total value or AAV.And 15 years is such a long time that if Soto took the deal, you probably wouldn't want to take the bet on him still being in baseball by the end of the contract.
If he hits FA, I think he will get more when you factor in the arb money but I don't think it will be that much more. Things like income taxes might matter more if it's truly about the money.
OT but I bet Shohei asks for 40 if he finishes in the Top 5 in Cy Young and MVP.Soto is going to earn an approximately 21-22 million or so next year and probably breaks the arbitration record of 27 million in the following year. They are basically offering him his last year arbitration salary with a million or so bump. That is a lot to give up even if you are getting some security.
https://fansided.com/2022/07/02/red-sox-fans-juan-soto-connection/Didn’t I read somewhere he is a big Celtics fan?
Soto is exactly the type of guy you empty the farm for.
Fair enough. I had nothing to gauge your asshole comment on. I didn't know if it was because he rejected $440M or something else.Maybe I just seem to catch him at the wrong moments. But, I can't count the number of times where I've seen him get pitched inside and he starts glaring and jawing at the pitcher, like it's some huge offense for him to get pitched inside. And, the amount of swagger he carries himself with just comes off as dickish to me. Like, get over yourself! You're not God's gift to baseball! And, maybe I'm projecting all of this on him. That's just how he comes across to me.
I think he thinks he's worth more than that contract offer. And, once again, this is all in my head. Perhaps, he feels like there are better teams out there and he just doesn't want to re-sign with the Nats.
What's the reason they shouldn't run a $250-300M payroll? The first CBT threshold will be $241M in 2025, and the tax penalties for exceeding it are much less cumbersome if there's an international draft. There's no salary cap, and no points for surplus value or employing economic reasoning for the sake of it.Seems like they’d need some pitchers, an OF, C, 1B, 2B. If they are going to run a $250-$300M payroll, sure. It would seem to be a dramatic shift right back to what got the last GM canned, no?
That’s just a baseline. That team would still have $40M under the first CBT threshold to play with, and the ‘25 team would have about $100M. And also the CBT hardly matters.Looks like a fairly mediocre team to me, frankly. Binelas is hitting .119 in AA, and is our Dh? Downs? The rotation? Meh. Assumes a ton of growth from mid tier prospects which seems really optimistic and unlikely.
Not only him, but MLBPA doesn’t want him settling. He needs to break the bank.No way Soto was accepting a salary under $30 million. Maybe mid-$30 millions because they’re buying out 2 arb years, but Correa got $35 million, Scherzer $43 million, I think you have to get to a minimum $37 million. It’s strange to say 15/$440 is insulting but like, 12/$440 with some options would have been a true “he just doesn’t want to be here if he says no” offer.
If you’re looking at an internal DH, Niko Kavadas is the guy.Looks like a fairly mediocre team to me, frankly. Binelas is hitting .119 in AA, and is our Dh? Downs? The rotation? Meh. Assumes a ton of growth from mid tier prospects which seems really optimistic and unlikely.
Kavadas is something else. I didn’t include him in that mock-up because most projections have him reaching the majors by ‘25.If you’re looking at an internal DH, Niko Kavadas is the guy.
It’s a pretty rosy outlook to have all of these prospects reach the majors.
Cool strawman. Thanks for reminding us that the ownership group of a MLB franchise isn't "poor." But as you well know, ownership groups vary quite a bit in terms of how much they value winning, how much money they want to milk out of the team, etc. Red Sox ownership has been pretty consistent in terms of how much and how long they're willing to spend over league payroll criteria. To the extent the discussion here implicitly reflects that reality, you'd be more persuasive by outlining why you think this is particular case is one where ownership should feel eager to throw out their operating manual.The Red Sox are worth billions of dollars and bring in tens of millions (probably more TBH) a year. They could keep BOTH of them and be fine.
The Boston Red Sox aren’t poor. We have to stop acting like they are.
I would guess that the other NL East teams and the Orioles (geographic proximity) would have to strongly outbid all the other teams interested to win this sweepstakes. All else being relatively equal, send him somewhere where your fan base doesn’t have to see him or hear about him very often.You don’t make this trade with any thought in mind about the long-term contract he is going to sign in February of 2025. Whoever you are, with the possible exception of the Dodgers, someone is probably going to outbid you. I presume Boras wouldn’t let Soto sign right now for almost any amount, and I bet it would take 10/450 to even make Boras pause. You are trading for 2.5 years and that’s it.
I could see the Orioles making this trade.
Where could you send him where he wouldn’t get much exposure, Nats fans would never see/hear about him, he definitely wouldn’t immediately sign an extension for the same amount the Nats offered making them look like clowns, and you’d stick it to Boras…..hhhmmmm…..I would guess that the other NL East teams and the Orioles (geographic proximity) would have to strongly outbid all the other teams interested to win this sweepstakes. All else being relatively equal, send him somewhere where your fan base doesn’t have to see him or hear about him very often.
Do you think TB would actually go after him hard? He will make a lot of money in his last two years of arb too, $17.1M this year so probably 2/45 or 2/50 for 2023/2024.Where could you send him where he wouldn’t get much exposure, Nats fans would never see/hear about him, he definitely wouldn’t immediately sign an extension for the same amount the Nats offered making them look like clowns, and you’d stick it to Boras…..hhhmmmm…..
It’s a perfect fit. They’d trade him after 2023. So it’s 1/21, you potentially get 2 stretch runs/playoffs and you recoup a bunch of prospects when you ship him out.Do you think TB would actually go after him hard? He will make a lot of money in his last two years of arb too, $17.1M this year so probably 2/45 or 2.50 for 2023/2024.