It’s also very important to make it clear that even though we *know* the dude in the detox is an addict, it’s very important that the dude in the detox makes that diagnosis and that *I* don’t even though I’ve seen/encountered people in facilities for over 15 years that *obviously* have a drug problem. Many who appear much MUCH worse than Josh Gordon. An addict must internalize that they are the problem and not some outside circumstance. That they didn’t end up in a detox for the 2nd or 20th time by accident. Certainly I point that out when I share my experiences with them. In other words “no one checks into Bergen Pines for Christmas because they want to be here”.Josh Gordon is an addict, man. Of that there is no doubt. We can easily make that proclamation. And it's not an insult to him.
But it is up to him about what he wants to do about his addiction.
Not true. The structure we need is a recovery program. We *must* fit our lives around the program, not the other way around. Maybe the biggest mistake addicts make in not staying clean, in my experience.The NFL might be the only thing that can provide him with the structure he needs to be clean for any length of time. I’m rooting for him.
I've been sober for 14 years. I know the drill.It’s also very important to make it clear that even though we *know* the dude in the detox is an addict, it’s very important that the dude in the detox makes that diagnosis and that *I* don’t even though I’ve seen/encountered people in facilities for over 15 years that *obviously* have a drug problem. Many who appear much MUCH worse than Josh Gordon. An addict must internalize that they are the problem and not some outside circumstance. That they didn’t end up in a detox for the 2nd or 20th time by accident. Certainly I point that out when I share my experiences with them. In other words “no one checks into Bergen Pines for Christmas because they want to be here”.
Understand - it’s the/our posture that’s important. My best friend’s (he’s clean almost 3 years) wife is an addict who is active - and it’s another example of how difficult it is to deal with people we only wish the best for. There is no professional athlete I root for more than Josh Gordon.I've been sober for 14 years. I know the drill.
Josh Gordon is an addict. But he won't recover unless Josh Gordon himself admits he's an addict. Both things are true. It is an inside job. It's not a judgement to state a person who keeps screwing up his life is an addict. It's not an insult. It's not a morality claim.
It's just a fact. And I hope Josh can get sober and recover and have an awesome life. I am pulling for him. Nothing would make me happier, because it is always a wonderful thing to see an addict recover.
Congrats to you, and I mean that sincerely. But again I was under the incorrect impression that the NFL had a drug abuse policy in which a player had x # of strikes. I was wrong, I wasn’t saying he didn’t deserve more chances.You're just not listening, are you?
Every time that someone tries to change just might be the time that works. I tried to quit drinking for years before I pulled it off at 43. I'll be 10 years sober in January. I'm pretty fucking grateful that folks didn't write me off.
Understood and thanks.Congrats to you, and I mean that sincerely. But again I was under the incorrect impression that the NFL had a drug abuse policy in which a player had x # of strikes. I was wrong, I wasn’t saying he didn’t deserve more chances.
I totally get it, and apologies if I offended you or others with that statement. That was not my intent.Understood and thanks.
What I was responding to is this: "With that said, at what point has Josh Gordon showed that he can change?"
None of us showed that we could change until that time that we did change, which is often the 10th try or whatever.
What you said wasn't even remotely offensive.I totally get it, and apologies if I offended you or others with that statement. That was not my intent.
How many chances should we give a five year old drunk?I think you need some punctuation there buddy. Confused me for a second.
As many chances as she needs.How many chances should we give a five year old drunk?
I think you gotta give at least one chance.How many chances should we give a five year old drunk?