Joe Kelly suspended 8 games for throwing at an astro

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It is a bit weird to me that there would be this big of a suspension given that Kelly wasn’t even tossed from the game - one would think the home plate ump would be in the best position to determine, in real time, whether the pitches were intentional.

Ultimately, as funny as it was, I think Kelly fucked himself by his mocking of Correa after the inning, which both suggested he was intentionally going after the Astros and caused a benches-cleared situation which the league has a very strong incentive to punish this year in particular.
 

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I disagree. The Astros deserve to get thrown at. They stole at least one championship. If the MLB won't punish them, I think the players should. I don't want to see any pitches anywhere near the head, but I would love to see multiple batters get plunked in their ribs or legs. This season will be canceled anyway, and there are no fans to relentlessly boo them all game long. That level of cheating deserves this level of punishment.
I'd offer a rebuttal, but I'm too busy laughing
 

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It is a bit weird to me that there would be this big of a suspension given that Kelly wasn’t even tossed from the game - one would think the home plate ump would be in the best position to determine, in real time, whether the pitches were intentional.

Ultimately, as funny as it was, I think Kelly fucked himself by his mocking of Correa after the inning, which both suggested he was intentionally going after the Astros and caused a benches-cleared situation which the league has a very strong incentive to punish this year in particular.
That's a good point. Doing anything that could incite a bench clearing brawl, in this environment, and given the Marlins situation, may very well have played into the harshness of the discipline, and should have. Also, just generally, I'd venture to say that if anyone wandered onto many opposing NFL fan message boards anytime since spy gate or deflate gate, you likely would have encountered some mouth breathers advocating for someone to take Brady's knee out, or intentionally injure some other Patriot, the cheating bastards(s). And most of this place would have been up in arms about it. I fully realize that anything the Pats were accused of doesn't rise to the level of what the Astros did, but the principle is the same. The league hands out the discipline on these things, for better or worse. Advocating for vigilante justice, that could absolutely result in serious injuries, is foolish, reactionary, bullshit.
 

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Whether 8 games is too much or just right is angels on the head of a pin stuff. The pitch at Bregman is indefensible.
It was *behind* his head, which every analyst I've ever heard says is worse, because a player's natural reaction is to back into it.
And Kelly's lack of control is irrelevant, IMO, and no less reckless. Blind man shoots gun.
I made a snarky comment about the incident in the game thread based on seeing the breaking ball thrown to Correa. Having now seen the entire sequence, I have to agree with you.

Throwing a fastball - especially a Joe Kelly fastball - behind someone's head is serious business. No matter how much contempt I have for the Astros, that has to be punished.
 
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at least one?

are your feelings about punishment the same in real life as they are in baseball? Do you have a posse?
Really? Do I have a posse? This is sports, where players compete against each other physically and often physically punish each other on the field: hard retribution fouls in basketball and soccer, groin punches in the pile after tackles in football, hard slides in baseball, etc. It's part of the context of athletic competition. Another example is the treatment Daubach received for crossing the picket line. You can call it vigilante justice if you want, but they handled it between the lines, not at his home or anywhere else outside the zone of competition. I call it sticking up for yourself and your teammates on the field of competition. Another way to think about it: if a guy comes up and punches a someone in the head, should he be arrested? Does it matter if it occurred on the ice between players during a hockey game, between boxers during a boxing match, or between two guys waiting in line at the post office? Context matters.
 

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You were off on your "at least one"

I say you are off on your vigilante justice defense, too. It's not up to Joe Kelly and the next day's pitcher and the next day's pitcher, etc, to determine the proper punishment for the "crime".
 

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If he threw at his head its fucked up; Watching him for a handful of years and seeing IG posts showing him not even able to avoid his house window with a pitch, I'm a tad reticent to say he has that much control, but reasonable minds can differ.

That is after it went viral. I may have to start observing "Joe Kelly Friday" though.
Come on dude. Really? That's what you're goin with?
 

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I objectively know what the correct answer is to the question of whether JK is justified in throwing at other players.

(I really do want there to be some kind of exception for it here though.)