JD Davison, 2nd round pick
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he's young, plus it's one of three 2-ways we have to offer, most 2-way guys stink, Davison is at least young.
Young & useless isn't really something this team needs on a two-way.
Yam and Begarin hold more promise. If you're going to roll the dice may as well be on some young European
I like the days when Brad was getting guys like Sam Hauser on a two-way. Then turning them into useful bench players, on a super cheap contract, after 1 season in Maine.
Yam and Begarin hold more promise. If you're going to roll the dice may as well be on some young European
I like the days when Brad was getting guys like Sam Hauser on a two-way. Then turning them into useful bench players, on a super cheap contract, after 1 season in Maine.
Yam and Begarin are better off in Europe developing against arguably better competition than the G-League, in a league where games have stakes, and not starting the contract clock (so if one does get to NBA quality you can use his draft rights to sign him to a 4 year deal).
Two ways are basically just about control, none of them should really play in the NBA for much time. The Celtics are so good, and pretty deep so the 2 ways are about cycling guys who might make the bench in a couple years. Davison is a guy they think might have upside based on athleticism.
Exactly, if you going to play the 2nd round lottery ticket game on 19yr olds you're better off with European-based players. That way the Celtics aren't wasting their cheap/controlled years in Maine development.
Being a contender, the Celtics are better off using 2nd round picks & 2-ways on more seasoned/higher floor rookies.
Davison was the #53 pick, by that point in most drafts there is nothing left in the International guys. Honestly there was nothing much there. As to two-ways... they're mostly not NBA players either way, I don't see a problem with using 1 of the 3 on a young guy you think has upside.
I think you're addressing two different things here...
1. How to use your 2nds
2. How to use your two-ways.
I think with 2nds you have to be flexible, depending where you are in the draft, the best option may be a stash, or it may be a 1 skill low ceiling guy, or it might be "these guys all suck now, so grab me the guy who has the most potential to be something someday"
For two-ways... I think you should use 1 on a high upside lotto pick, and one on a guy who is closer to being an NBA rotation player.
This all pertains to the Celtics & where they are as a team.
1. If they sucked, I'd want them to play the lottery/development game with lots of draft picks.
2. Being Championship contenders I'm happy that Brad moves first-round picks for NBA players that contribute (Horford, White, Brogdon). In that same vane, I'd rather see them use their 2nd round picks & their 2-ways for more seasoned players.
Put it this way I expect #58 Trayce Jackson-Davis will add more short & long-term value than #53 JD Davison (who has already burned a year) ever will.
1. If they sucked, I'd want them to play the lottery/development game with lots of draft picks.
2. Being Championship contenders I'm happy that Brad moves first-round picks for NBA players that contribute (Horford, White, Brogdon). In that same vane, I'd rather see them use their 2nd round picks & their 2-ways for more seasoned players.
Put it this way I expect #58 Trayce Jackson-Davis will add more short & long-term value than #53 JD Davison (who has already burned a year) ever will.
I think last season it was fine to pick a boom/bust type player in JDD, given the flotsam that was available at #53. The extra 2-way roster spot is a freebie, so there is a literally zero downside to giving Davison another season; putting butts in seats in Maine has some value.
Most of the 2nd round picks that they do indeed make going forward will be swings-and-misses. So may as well mix in some low-floor/high-ceiling players with some high-floor/low-ceiling and see what comes out. Stevens already went in your desired direction in this year's draft.
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Summer league is a messy level of play with every player focused on individual play to try to catch the eye of a team. As Celtics summer league teams go, this one is pretty devoid of talent. It's not a shock that you would see a non-scorer PG struggle in this kind of situation.
JDD is what he is (a longshot) but we always knew that. Giving him a 2-way spot is fine. Obviously Celtics management likes having him around.
Yep. Recent Celtic 2-way players:
- Kabangele
- Davison
- Ryan
- Thomas
- Waters
- Fall
- Dozier
- Hunter
- Bird
- Allen
We shouldn't really care all that much about a 10-turnover game in the SL from Davison. We could see after a season in the G-league JD was TO-prone in a league that hasn't really built its reputation on defensive discipline. We're all hoping he does well, but you're probably right that he is heading down your ignominious list of Celtic G-Leaguers.
Sam Hauser is a 2nd/UDRFA on a 2-way/G-League development success story. So Boston can do it.
Begarin/Madar have been somewhat successful 2nd round picks since someone else is paying for their development & their NBA clocks haven't started. When/If they come over their bodies should be even more developed & they should be more skilled, so we won't burn years waiting for that.
I share everyone's concern that the shot and the handle don't project well now. The latter is pretty frustrating, since he's getting picked by SL players. It wasn't just game 2 either. But his athleticism still stands out. He's shifty, and he's faster than everyone else out there. Once he gets a little savvy near the rim, he could make a leap (i.e., when those become layups instead of sent back at him). The savvy could come with more experience. The handle...that's just going to take some work (and experience). He has the tools, and guys with his physical profile can become NBA players. Bit of a tight needle to thread, but not impossible.
If we need him this year beyond the occasional spot call-up, it's not a good sign for the team.
If we need him this year beyond the occasional spot call-up, it's not a good sign for the team.