Jaylen Brown, The Vet Years

Cesar Crespo

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New threads are good and the only Jaylen Brown thread I see for this year is related to his health.

Usually, players like Jaylen don't do well in the NBA. He came in very robotic and with terrible steal/block numbers at the college level. He's come a long way since his rookie year and turned into a much better player than I ever envisioned. He made 2 distinct leaps. Those players almost always end up all stars. After the 18/19 season, you can probably find me on here saying I'd prefer Buddy Hield. I had questions about Jaylen's 3 point shot which he quickly squashed his first 3 years. Most of his improvement his first 3 years was also due to usage, though not all. I thought, cool, he's going to be an average 3 point shooter and a 3rd/4th scoring option with good D. A 3 and D player. Someone comparable to Otto Porter but wouldn't get paid close to the same amount. Then he made his first leap, and another one the year after. The last 3 years (this year included), he's 318-813 from 3, .391. He also shot .395 from 3 in his 2nd year. For his career, he's up to .379. He's a great athlete and has the tools necessary to play D but he has slipped there over the years. He also evolved into a Robin, and a Robin that is easy to build around. He's an alpha scorer and a threat to go .500/.400/.800 on any given year. And this is with real volume. His TS% since he came into the league: .539, .562, .547, .583, .586, .606. The jump this year is remarkable considering the league is down at .549, down from .572 last year. It also stops a trend of TS% improving every single year since 2014/15.

Now at age 25, I think any improvement Brown makes will be incremental. I could see more than incremental growth in playmaking but only because Brown is a meh playmaker.

In the early going this year, he's shown continued growth in FT shooting. He's 36/45, .800. While that's a SSS, he's made some decent strides as a FT shooter. He's also getting to the line more per 36 than any other year. His FTr has also rebounded a bit from last year. There were times I was worried his FT shooting would be a problem, even after I thought his 3 point shooting wouldn't be. Interestingly, Jaylen is up to a career .703 at the FT line, but during the playoffs, he's at .745.

I mostly wanted to highlight Jaylen's improvement at the FT line but thought making a new thread about Jaylen Brown just for that was weak so I added some content.

Ultimately, Brown is a top 20-30 player and might have a season or two on the All NBA 3rd team. I see that as his absolute peak. All NBA 3rd team.
 

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My concerns about Jaylen are his durability. He doesn't seem to be able to stay sharp for more than a few weeks at a time. And I don't see this changing this season -- when he started he wasn't 100%, and this has diminished over time (will he get a healthy hammie without 2 months off).

Otherwise, he is a great core player. But 'otherwise' might be wishful thinking.

Maybe if he focused on scoring (when he is on he is Gervin like in his repertoire), and avoided hard moves that weaken his legs. That kind of stylistic change would be difficult.
 

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Jaylen could use some TB12 style conditioning. When he has his legs 100%, he has Dominique style burst. When he doesn’t’, he’s a plus shooting wing with some decent size and athleticism
 

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moved this over from the Knicks thread

I’m all for dealing him for the right player. I don’t feel he and Tatum bring out the best in each other and that’s what you need from your top two players. They are redundant in so many ways. Spurs for my binky Dejounte and KJ?
In addition to the Tatum redundancy, IME's system stresses 2 elements:
1. switch/help defense
2. ball movement

Those are the two weakest parts of Jaylen's game.

PBS should try real hard at the deadline to add a #1 ballhandler (w/out moving JB)
but I'd consider these 3 Brown options:
1. SGA + a 1st
2. Murray + KJ
3. Haliburton + Barnes
 

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moved this over from the Knicks thread


In addition to the Tatum redundancy, IME's system stresses 2 elements:
1. switch/help defense
2. ball movement

Those are the two weakest parts of Jaylen's game.

PBS should try real hard at the deadline to add a #1 ballhandler (w/out moving JB)
but I'd consider these 3 Brown options:
1. SGA + a 1st
2. Murray + KJ
3. Haliburton + Barnes
You're encouraging him.

The best player in your post is JB. I'm trying to understand why we want a deal in the NBA where the best player is outbound.

If we're rebuilding, then fine. Brad should Pitino this shit and have a bunch of guys going out for kidz and picks (and dead weight).
 

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You're encouraging him.

The best player in your post is JB. I'm trying to understand why we want a deal in the NBA where the best player is outbound.

If we're rebuilding, then fine. Brad should Pitino this shit and have a bunch of guys going out for kidz and picks (and dead weight).
in the words of PBS: Jaylen, on this current Celtic team, isn't the best version of himself.

A lot of it comes down to what your opinion of Brown's defense is and what it can be. I've been down on JB's defense for years, He's a really good on-ball defender. BUT unfortunately, he rarely helps, gets beat backdoor, & is weak under the rim. His defense isn't getting any better, it has been the same batch of miscues for numerous seasons (its not an effort thing)

Asking him to distribute isn't going to work, it's going to lead to TOs and transition points for the opponent. His natural instinct is to take the challenged fadeaway in the lane and not pass the ball for an open Corner3. But I'm sure he'll try

He's an A+ scorer/microwave and 90% chance the Celtics retain him. BUT they need to add a ballhandler (not getting Lonzo was a whiff) at the trade deadline or this summer.

I like the Sac deal the best. Barnes does a lot of what Brown does & Haliburton will be SGA by the 2023 playoffs IMO
 
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in the words of PBS: Jaylen, on this current Celtic team, isn't the best version of himself.

A lot of it comes down to what your opinion of Brown's defense is and what it can be. I've been down on JB's defense for years, He's a really good on-ball defender. BUT unfortunately, he rarely helps, gets beat backdoor, & is weak under the rim. His defense isn't getting any better, it has been the same batch of miscues for numerous seasons (its not an effort thing)

Asking him to distribute isn't going to work, it's going to lead to TOs and transition points for the opponent. His natural instinct is to take the challenged fadeaway in the lane and not pass the ball for an open Corner3. But I'm sure he'll try

He's an A+ scorer/microwave and 90% chance the Celtics retain him. BUT they need to add a ballhandler (not getting Lonzo was a whiff) at the trade deadline or this summer.

I like the Sac deal the best. Barnes does a lot of what Brown does & Haliburton will be SGA by the 2023 playoffs IMO
I remain unconvinced.

We're talking about trading for guys who do most of what Brown does plus a guy who might be X someday. The Beal or Lillard trades I get. Even the KAT trade idea I get. Beal and Lillard are even better scorers, and KAT plays a different position altogether. I wouldn't do any of those, but I get it.

I keep coming back to this: It's the NBA. You don't trade the best player in the deal without a compelling reason, like his shooting out of town or a rebuild or whatever. Hell in other threads, people are speculating about consolidation deals. That's what you do when you're trying to win, not liquidation deals.

And this Brown and Tatum can't play together nonsense is groundless talk show noise.

I'll try to stfu on this, since a lot of people seem to have made their mind up on this thing. But it reeks of do-somethingism to me.
 

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I'll try to stfu on this, since a lot of people seem to have made their mind up on this thing. But it reeks of do-somethingism to me.
2 and 3 days off always bring about the best fake trades ;)

JB most likely stays, but we'll see how December plays out. Trade deadline is going to be busy this year
 

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My biggest concern with Jaylen is that he's played <60 games the last two seasons and is likely to do that this year as well. He hasn't been healthy for a number of the games that he has played and at some point this becomes just part of the package. That's where trade considerations come in, but other teams can obviously see this as well.

I do agree (eye test) with the fit concerns with Tatum, although I don't have any solid evidence to back that up. If the Celtics had an initiator/playmaker I think those concerns magically disappear.
 

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My biggest concern with Jaylen is that he's played <60 games the last two seasons and is likely to do that this year as well. He hasn't been healthy for a number of the games that he has played and at some point this becomes just part of the package. That's where trade considerations come in, but other teams can obviously see this as well.

I do agree (eye test) with the fit concerns with Tatum, although I don't have any solid evidence to back that up. If the Celtics had an initiator/playmaker I think those concerns magically disappear.
And why is he unlikely to play more than 60 games this year? Do you think he's going to suffer another injury? Also, 19/20 and 20/21 only had 72 game seasons, not 82.

The fact he played less than 60 both those years means considerably less than you are making it.
 

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And why is he unlikely to play more than 60 games this year? Do you think he's going to suffer another injury? Also, 19/20 and 20/21 only had 72 game seasons, not 82.

The fact he played less than 60 both those years means considerably less than you are making it.
I think his point was he plays a lot of games banged up (maybe JB should get credit for that).

BUT I highly doubt his value to the Celtics or the league is getting dinged due to "Jaylen's health concerns". I'd think the view would be an exceptional athlete that takes his conditioning very seriously.

JB has also played summer hoops for Team USA, and played late into the Summer of 2020 (Orlando bubble). Brown should get credit for that.
 

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That just may get you an invite to the Dandy's Thanksgiving basketball roundtable but the turkey is dry, the cranberry sauce is from the can and the pumpkin pie is store-bought.

Happy Holidays to all!
Lol all of this is true. And half of the turkey is vegetarian substitute.
 

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I keep reading this thread title and wondering if there is going to be a Reality TV show where Jaylen leaves the team for a few years to work at an animal hospital. I’m picturing in my mind that it’s very similar to ER.
 

Cesar Crespo

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I keep reading this thread title and wondering if there is going to be a Reality TV show where Jaylen leaves the team for a few years to work at an animal hospital. I’m picturing in my mind that it’s very similar to ER.
Heh, I named it after Saved By the Bell: The College Years.

I could totally see Jaylen Brown as a vet post retirement though.