Jaden Springer to Celtics for 2nd rounder

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Brad seems to be very into pre-agency, which makes sense as a 2nd-apron team.
 

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He was on my wish list in the draft but has not looked like an NBA player thus far. Has been out of shape when he’s gotten minutes….maybe immature or enjoying the NBA life too much. Either way a buy low spot and replaces Banton who wasn’t going to give us anything anyway.
 

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Sixers reddit universally hates this trade, for what it's worth. Trading away both Springer and Beverly is a pretty big loss defensively, especially for a team that wants to give Tyrese Maxey a max deal in a few months.

I don't see him doing much at all here, he can have his choice of bench spots previously occupied by Stevens or Banton.
 

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Sixers reddit universally hates this trade, for what it's worth. Trading away both Springer and Beverly is a pretty big loss defensively, especially for a team that wants to give Tyrese Maxey a max deal in a few months.

I don't see him doing much at all here, he can have his choice of bench spots previously occupied by Stevens or Banton.
Wow you're not kidding. They really like Springer.
 

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Wonder if there’s something matchup specific they like. Maybe he defends Brunson well and could steal a few minutes with him in a playoff series.
 

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Wonder if there’s something matchup specific they like. Maybe he defends Brunson well and could steal a few minutes with him in a playoff series.
"Springer helped to hold Steph Curry to nine points on 2-for-7 shooting. The two-time MVP also had a game-worst four turnovers.

On Monday, Springer helped hold Dallas Mavericks point guard Luka Dončić to 19 points on 6-for-15 shooting. Dončić is averaging a league-best 34.5 points." LINK

No idea how many times he actually guarded Curry/Luka in those games but it doesn't hurt to add a guy who can make life difficult for the league's best guards for a 2nd round draft pick.
 

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"Springer helped to hold Steph Curry to nine points on 2-for-7 shooting. The two-time MVP also had a game-worst four turnovers.

On Monday, Springer helped hold Dallas Mavericks point guard Luka Dončić to 19 points on 6-for-15 shooting. Dončić is averaging a league-best 34.5 points." LINK

No idea how many times he actually guarded Curry/Luka in those games but it doesn't hurt to add a guy who can make life difficult for the league's best guards for a 2nd round draft pick.
Dame stopper? I can dream.
 

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The Sixers did the heavy lifting in development to the point Springer has one superlative skill - defense. If the Celtics could get him a shot, it's a good move. He's 21, Sixers fans seem to think he'll already be the best perimeter defender on the Celtics, he's got another year to go. Seems pretty good for a second round pick.

As to WHY the Sixers made the move, maybe to max out the cap room for the off season?
 

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"Springer helped to hold Steph Curry to nine points on 2-for-7 shooting. The two-time MVP also had a game-worst four turnovers.

On Monday, Springer helped hold Dallas Mavericks point guard Luka Dončić to 19 points on 6-for-15 shooting. Dončić is averaging a league-best 34.5 points." LINK

No idea how many times he actually guarded Curry/Luka in those games but it doesn't hurt to add a guy who can make life difficult for the league's best guards for a 2nd round draft pick.
In his highlights he looks like a slower twitch, bulkier Marcus. He started against GS this week and definitely gave Curry a hard time early. Probably needs to improve his conditioning. His shot looks pretty bad.
 

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The Sixers did the heavy lifting in development to the point Springer has one superlative skill - defense. If the Celtics could get him a shot, it's a good move. He's 21, Sixers fans seem to think he'll already be the best perimeter defender on the Celtics, he's got another year to go. Seems pretty good for a second round pick.

As to WHY the Sixers made the move, maybe to max out the cap room for the off season?
Just checked their cap out of curiosity........

Embiid is literally the ONLY guaranteed salary on their books
 

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In his highlights he looks like a slower twitch, bulkier Marcus. He started against GS this week and definitely gave Curry a hard time early. Probably needs to improve his conditioning. His shot looks pretty bad.
I should have been more detailed in my post above but this is what I mean about being out of shape. That was never his body type at Tennessee which is concerning and like you say his offense is painful.
 

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That's a somewhat useful second round pick, so they clearly do believe he can (at least in an insurance role) do something.

I haven't seen him enough to say; the defensive stats you guys have pulled are pretty interesting....I guess Kris Dunn would have cost more? Or perhaps it's about control
 

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That's a somewhat useful second round pick, so they clearly do believe he can (at least in an insurance role) do something.

I haven't seen him enough to say; the defensive stats you guys have pulled are pretty interesting....I guess Kris Dunn would have cost more? Or perhaps it's about control
younger, more control probably the better defender, and upside. Dunn is what he is.
 

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That's a somewhat useful second round pick, so they clearly do believe he can (at least in an insurance role) do something.

I haven't seen him enough to say; the defensive stats you guys have pulled are pretty interesting....I guess Kris Dunn would have cost more? Or perhaps it's about control
I haven't seen him either. KOC's draft writeup seems pretty spot on based on the feedback from the smart folks here.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2021/

Tenacious on-ball defender who can get into a scorer’s grill and bother them by mirroring their movement and using quick hands to swat at the ball. Isn’t highly versatile but will battle on a switch versus larger players.
  • Communicative off-ball defender who vocalizes rotations and always seems to be aware of what’s happening. An energizer on the court.
  • Drives to the rim like a running back shredding tacklers and can hit shots through the contact. If he can’t get to the rim, he has a soft floater.
  • Decisive decision-maker who has great timing as a passer locating cutters and shooters. Shows early signs of being able to manipulate defenders to open passing windows, though he’ll need to improve his handle.
  • Good shooting potential. Hit more than 80 percent of his free throws and nearly 40 percent of spot-up 3s, though both were on a small sample.
  • Always seems to be in control. Lacks a great first step and dynamic dribble moves but moves with purpose. Uses change of pace and excellent body control to fire difficult passes. Would be best suited in a multi–ball handler offense that promotes sharing the ball.
  • Produces at a high level despite sharing a backcourt with multiple talented players—which shows his ability to coexist with other talent.
MINUSES
  • Takes way too long to unleash his shot off the catch, which gives defenders time to close out. Even if he’s still open, he’ll often pass up opportunities.
  • Struggled to shoot pull-up jumpers from close range and took very few from outside of 17 feet. Has tried only nine dribble-jumper 3s.
  • Lacks burst and a creative handle to break down defenders one-on-one. It’s pivotal that he adds more dynamic moves.
  • Below-the-rim finisher who frequently has shots blocked or altered when contested. Was inefficient scoring in the pick-and-roll, and things will only get harder in the NBA since he won’t be able to overpower defenders.
 

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I should have been more detailed in my post above but this is what I mean about being out of shape. That was never his body type at Tennessee which is concerning and like you say his offense is painful.
Maybe having Embiid, Harden, and PJ Tucker be role models isn't great for a young player needing to build good habits. Hopefully being around the J's can spark something.
 

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That's a somewhat useful second round pick, so they clearly do believe he can (at least in an insurance role) do something.

I haven't seen him enough to say; the defensive stats you guys have pulled are pretty interesting....I guess Kris Dunn would have cost more? Or perhaps it's about control
I don't really have an opinion one way or the other on this deal but it is a decent 2nd round pick. Brad must think the Celtics infrastructure can help improve his shot and get him in better shape
 

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Little surprised they took on a 4mm contract for next season, but defensive guard and defensive big was what I hoped they got at the deadline.

Bring on the playoffs.
 

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Maybe having Embiid, Harden, and PJ Tucker be role models isn't great for a young player needing to build good habits. Hopefully being around the J's can spark something.
I'd rather he be attached to Derrick White, that guy's the ideal player to learn from. Jrue, too.

Hoping the shooting can improve to the point he's a valuable rotation piece.
 

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Where are people getting slower twitch than Marcus from? He's a lot bouncier and more athletic. Lots of flaws in his game, but plus athleticism is not one afaict.
 

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Little surprised they took on a 4mm contract for next season, but defensive guard and defensive big was what I hoped they got at the deadline.
I think we have also seen that perhaps it is beneficial to have some slightly larger than minimum contracts to be able to aggregate
 

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"Springer helped to hold Steph Curry to nine points on 2-for-7 shooting. The two-time MVP also had a game-worst four turnovers.

On Monday, Springer helped hold Dallas Mavericks point guard Luka Dončić to 19 points on 6-for-15 shooting. Dončić is averaging a league-best 34.5 points." LINK

No idea how many times he actually guarded Curry/Luka in those games but it doesn't hurt to add a guy who can make life difficult for the league's best guards for a 2nd round draft pick.
You can look it up in the NBA.com boxscore.

With respect to Curry, Springer guarded him 71.6% of the PHI's defensive time (no one else was over 6.5%) and apparently held Curry to 5 points on 1-2 shooting from 3P + 2 FTs.

Impressive. I was hoping they'd pick up someone who can come in and stop quick guards so I like this for BOS.
 

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Maybe having Embiid, Harden, and PJ Tucker be role models isn't great for a young player needing to build good habits. Hopefully being around the J's can spark something.
I can’t help but comment whenever this is brought up but the workout habits of Harden have been going around for years. Yeah he probably eats/drinks a shit ton in the offseason but he’s know as one of the hardest workout guys in the league. I’ve heard of NBA players saying they couldn’t complete his two-a-days and he’s notorious for spending extra time with his teammates preparing for games on off days. Had to get that off my chest.
 

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I can’t help but comment whenever this is brought up but the workout habits of Harden have been going around for years. Yeah he probably eats/drinks a shit ton in the offseason but he’s know as one of the hardest workout guys in the league. I’ve heard of NBA players saying they couldn’t complete his two-a-days and he’s notorious for spending extra time with his teammates preparing for games on off days. Had to get that off my chest.
Ha, that's fair. I actually think Harden gets a bad rap on this board (he single-handedly won game 1 against the C's - Embiid was the issue for the Sixers imho). Point stands overall though, I think the environment of the C's in regards to team conditioning is much better than what appears to be the Sixer's approach. God forbid Springer went to the Heat - with their culture, who knows what he'd be capable of?
 

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Ha, that's fair. I actually think Harden gets a bad rap on this board (he single-handedly won game 1 against the C's - Embiid was the issue for the Sixers imho). Point stands overall though, I think the environment of the C's in regards to team conditioning is much better than what appears to be the Sixer's approach. God forbid Springer went to the Heat - with their culture, who knows what he'd be capable of?
It’s a catch-22 for a guy like Springer and there is no one-answer fits all. Would he be best to learn from veterans on the intracscies of the NBA game and schemes or would he be better off getting run and learning from his mistakes?
 

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I can’t help but comment whenever this is brought up but the workout habits of Harden have been going around for years. Yeah he probably eats/drinks a shit ton in the offseason but he’s know as one of the hardest workout guys in the league. I’ve heard of NBA players saying they couldn’t complete his two-a-days and he’s notorious for spending extra time with his teammates preparing for games on off days. Had to get that off my chest.
I think those workout habits change pretty drastically depending on how he's appreciated he's feeling. When he wanted to get out of Houston, I think it's pretty undeniable he was very out of shape.

But I have heard the extra time with teammates thing. Zubac said on the Paul George podcast that when Harden first got there he asked Z to stay after practice to fine tune their pick and roll and they practiced it for an hour and a half or so. Z said he thought it would be a one time thing but that they spend that type of time together after every practice
 

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As to WHY the Sixers made the move, maybe to max out the cap room for the off season?
Correct - right now they have Embiid and Maxey's hold on the books and if they don't make the second round (who would have thought that was a possibility), that'll be it as Paul Reed's contract won't be guaranteed and he won't be on the books.

Morey is going big game hunting. It'll be interesting to see what his choices he'll be able to choose from.
 

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Liberty Ballers on the trade here: https://www.libertyballers.com/2024/2/8/24066537/2024-sixers-nba-trade-deadline-philadelphia-76ers-buddy-hield-patrick-beverley-jaden-springer
Suddenly, the trade deadline mood was very bad, but it sank even lower when we were hit with the bombshell news that Jaden Springer was heading to Boston for the more favorable of Chicago’s and New Orleans’ 2024 second-round picks. If many Sixers fans were confused by the Beverley news, they were catatonic about the Springer announcement. Springer? The 21-year-old making relative peanuts who recently had a terrific defensive performance against Luka Doncic and then held Steph Curry without a field goal for an entire half? Yeah, he hasn’t figured his jump shot out, but I sure bet the Celtics will find a way to make it work. I’m already breaking into hives thinking about having to watch Springer clamp down on Maxey at least four times a year for the next half decade.