Irrational exuberance: The Neemias Queta thread

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Just watching the highlight he looks like if Amir Johnson had ankles that worked.
 

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In the initial video packages I saw of him he looked way, way too slow to me. Clearly that’s not the case. His footwork seems solid and further good coaching will only enhance that area. Stoked for the options Brad has brought in for the bench. If 1 or 2 guys pop, Including Queta, ooo-la-la…. And by pop, I mean deliver solid value, not turn into top 8 guys.
 

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Pleased to have a seat on the Team Irrational train! I'm a sucker for highlights, I guess, I can totally picture Queta adding some muscle and a soupcon of skill in the middle. Add someone to take the Grant-on-Giannis role (Stevens?), and I'm ready to start thinking about how to celebrate 18 and beyond.
 

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Catching up on preseason tape this morning and as others have said, Queta is probably the biggest surprise of the camp to me. If the game has truly slowed down for him, and it not just be preseason intensity, to where he continues not being a fouling machine we may have something. Perimeter footwork will always be an issue but it seems like he is a hard worker in making improvements everywhere.
Queta probably can get away with it by learning drop coverage and avoiding the perimeter. and NEVER playing against 5-wide.

This team could use an aggressive enforcer. Luke is a little too passive for my liking

Stevens, Brissett, Queta should offer that nasty edge Championship teams need.
 

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Queta probably can get away with it by learning drop coverage and avoiding the perimeter. and NEVER playing against 5-wide.

This team could use an aggressive enforcer. Luke is a little too passive for my liking

Stevens, Brissett, Queta should offer that nasty edge Championship teams need.
Agreed. We've been posting this for a bit now but I think the Celtics have two "needs" (neither of them are very big and one of them is more of an ideal scenario). This is kind of tangential to Queta because, in a perfect world, he could be the answer to the paragraph below.

I think they could use a big with some girth who can at least semi-credibly defend Embiid/Jokic without being put into the first row. Someone that can play 20 mins in the regular season and just save Al/KP from the wear and tear. Someone who's the big equivalent of a Hauser (basically Kornet+).

The other thing that could use some improvement, and this may not even be something that's possible with the new CBA, is strictly for the playoffs. Ideally, they would have a 7th/8th man that you have some more confidence in than PP and Hauser.

@HRB and @Jimbodandy have been on this but I think it's really hard to trust PP in the playoffs. I just don't think he has the height and length needed to play without being mercilessly hunted.
 

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Agreed. We've been posting this for a bit now but I think the Celtics have two "needs" (neither of them are very big and one of them is more of an ideal scenario). This is kind of tangential to Queta because, in a perfect world, he could be the answer to the paragraph below.

I think they could use a big with some girth who can at least semi-credibly defend Embiid/Jokic without being put into the first row. Someone that can play 20 mins in the regular season and just save Al/KP from the wear and tear. Someone who's the big equivalent of a Hauser (basically Kornet+).

The other thing that could use some improvement, and this may not even be something that's possible with the new CBA, is strictly for the playoffs. Ideally, they would have a 7th/8th man that you have some more confidence in than PP and Hauser.

@HRB and @Jimbodandy have been on this but I think it's really hard to trust PP in the playoffs. I just don't think he has the height and length needed to play without being mercilessly hunted.
Good point about wear-n-tear with Beef Centers

Between now and the trade deadline CJM will need to figure out these 3 role players for the playoffs:
#7 + #8 + 3rdC. PP/Hauser/Kornet will get the first opportunity

It is a 4-month (Feb.9) tryout. Whoever adds the most value when on the floor with the TOP6 will get 7/8/3rdC

If PP doesn't get the job done defensively Svi Myk, Stevens, Brissett, Queta, Banton up next.

#7 or 8 won't have to be a ball handler/PG since White/Jrue/Tatum will play that in the playoffs

Brad has time + the 1sts/2nds to trade if none of the above become the "right" high-end role players.
 

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I really love stories of people fighting their way up from the G League (and in Queta's case, from 2022 Summer League, to 2022-23 G League, and now the bigtime). Stories that show that it's not the case that in the NBA, you're either a heralded draftee or you're a nobody. To quote a great philosopher - that you "make your own destination".

Queta was of course drafted in the 2nd round in 2021 by Sacramento out of Utah State. He then got a cup of coffee in the NBA that season (mostly playing G League), made the G League First Team the next season (2023), was signed to a full NBA contract in August 2023... and then waived just 5 weeks later (Sept 12th), allowing us to pick him up cheaply. I don't know what Sacramento was doing there, but I'm pretty sure they don't either.

I like Kornet and he's a very useful floor for our center rotation, but the limitations of his agility, shooting and physicality are obvious. I haven't watched every preseason game in full, but here are some preseason highlight comps for Employee #88, with my notes about the plays he makes in each:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHwnhnva2Z0


Tough switch onto a guard, strips the guy as he goes up for a shot
Nice footwork to get an ORB -> dunk
Avoids fouling DiVincenzo on a drive, who misses --> gets a layoff on the fast break, goes up for a layup and-1
Lucky ORB crashing inside -> gets it up in time for a foul as the quarter expired, makes 1/2 FTs
Lucky ORB after his guy got the block --> putback dunk
Nice closeout on Hartenstein, who misses
Helps on a drive, gets a block but called for the foul

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpcOZeLwmW0


PNR -> alleyoop dunk
O Rebound --> putback
2/2 FTs
Bad dribble handoff, roll to basket -> alleyoop dunk
PNR, patience -> layoff to dunk

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q63eDahuLrM


Dribble handoff -> interior pass from Tatum -> 3-foot floater
boxout -> backdoor cut --> alleyoop dunk
handoff to cutting Hauser --> ORB the missed 3 with a nice box-out --> 3-foot floater
ignored on dribble penetration --> putback on a missed floater
nice float to basket on busted possession --> PP finds him for a dunk
sets pick at corner --> ignored, cuts to basket --> found for contested 5-foot floater which he makes over Ed Sumner for an and-1

Overall he seems to have a solid idea of footwork, has some limited play concepts on offense that mostly include being available for layoffs and dunks, and is trusted a surprising amount of time on dribble handoffs and perimeter action.

A Celtics pod discusses it this morning, thinks he might jump Kornet.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcUf1TzFf50
 

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How is his English so good? His wikipedia makes it seem like he came to the US only as a 19 year-old to play in college, and Portugal isn't one of the Euro countries where everyone speaks perfect English.
 

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Good point about wear-n-tear with Beef Centers

Between now and the trade deadline CJM will need to figure out these 3 role players for the playoffs:
#7 + #8 + 3rdC. PP/Hauser/Kornet will get the first opportunity

It is a 4-month (Feb.9) tryout. Whoever adds the most value when on the floor with the TOP6 will get 7/8/3rdC

If PP doesn't get the job done defensively Svi Myk, Stevens, Brissett, Queta, Banton up next.

#7 or 8 won't have to be a ball handler/PG since White/Jrue/Tatum will play that in the playoffs

Brad has time + the 1sts/2nds to trade if none of the above become the "right" high-end role players.
I'd imagine that Brad will be in the market for upgrades at these positions if not for a full-fledged need....so there isn't any worry at this point in time. We have plenty of NBA depth sitting on that bench to plug in regular season minutes. Every contender is looking to add pieces at the deadline and things would have to go absolute best case scenario to not do so.
 

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How is his English so good? His wikipedia makes it seem like he came to the US only as a 19 year-old to play in college, and Portugal isn't one of the Euro countries where everyone speaks perfect English.
Portugal pretty regularly scores as one of the most proficient English as a second language countries (usually in the 7th to 9th range) with particularly high proficiencies in Porto, Lisbon and Algarve. I would also guess that the academy he played at taught kids English, since it is often a common language for pro basketball players.
 

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I like the idea of this thread, and I've already become a big Queta fan and look forward to seeing him in green this year. I would just pick one nit with the thread title: I would title this "Irrational Exuberance?: The Neemias Queta thread," with a question mark. Right now it sounds like the assumption is this is all irrational exuberance. Maybe it is. But maybe (as many of us hope) it isn't.
 

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Queta was of course drafted in the 2nd round in 2021 by Sacramento out of Utah State. He then got a cup of coffee in the NBA that season (mostly playing G League), made the G League First Team the next season (2023), was signed to a full NBA contract in August 2023... and then waived just 5 weeks later (Sept 12th), allowing us to pick him up cheaply. I don't know what Sacramento was doing there, but I'm pretty sure they don't either.
SAC signed McGee and then waived Noel and Queta.

SAC wants to win and thinks McGee will hold up better in the "beef C" spot since that's not really Sabonis's thing.

Listening to Matt Barnes on Lowe's podcast, I think that SAC has been pretty good at talent evaluation and team building recently. Not to say that Queta is terrible but SAC seems to know what they are doing these days.

View: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10089271-nba-rumors-nerlens-noel-to-be-waived-by-kings-after-javale-mcgee-contract
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I was a little surprised to see Queta on the active roster on Wednesday. First game of the year with the roster at full strength felt very unlikely that he'd be needed. Seemed like a waste of one of his 50 games.

I'm thinking there's a good chance Queta displaces Kornet in the rotation as the year progresses so his two-way contract game limit could come into play. Of course if that happens, they'll need to convert him to a full contract if they want him to be eligible for the playoffs so maybe it's not important?
 

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I was a little surprised to see Queta on the active roster on Wednesday. First game of the year with the roster at full strength felt very unlikely that he'd be needed. Seemed like a waste of one of his 50 games.

I'm thinking there's a good chance Queta displaces Kornet in the rotation as the year progresses so his two-way contract game limit could come into play. Of course if that happens, they'll need to convert him to a full contract if they want him to be eligible for the playoffs so maybe it's not important?
As I'm reading your post I was thinking of your final sentence the entire time. There isn't much need to worry about the 50 games for a couple reasons....one, if he makes a leap and shows he is an NBA player you can simply convert him but more than likely he'll remain active for those first 50 games up until the trade deadline before Brad adds a veteran big to displace Kornet at the deadline so Queta won't be needed. He's basically regular season insurance at this point.
 

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If Chicago implodes, I wouldn't mind seeing them grab Drummond. Dude can board and all this team really needs out of that third big is a body and some rebounds. The list of playable bigs that fit into the Grant Williams trade exception is kinda bleak, tho.
 

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Neemias brought some needed energy tonight, which fit the game. I'm not sure of he was even with the team on Friday but they probavly could have used him then, too.

Anyway, in 15 minutes he shot 3-8 from the field but had 10 rebounds (6 offensive) and a steal. Was fouled once and hit the free throw, so 7 points total.

Some of his offensive rebounding came at the expense of his shooting percentage (3 of his offensive rebounds were of his own misses).

There were a couple of times when he tried playing drop coverage against Trae which went about as you would expect (Trae burying wide open threes) but that issue aside he gave them some solid minutes.

He doesn't seem to have much touch with his shot - whether that is a lack of ability or just nerves/adjustment to the leage remains to be seen.

But he seems like a worthwhile project who can contribute a bit, esepcially with Porzingis out.
 

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He has better hands than Kornet. Rebounds stick to him rather than bounce off. He brings an element of toughness that the team needs. He'll get a lot of playing time, barring injury.
 

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As much as we make fun of Kornet for having bad hands and dropping close-in layoffs around the basket for turnovers, my early impressions of Queta are that his hands aren't that great. The missed layups and such are sporting tragedies on a team with this much offensive talent. If we're evaluating Queta as the potential Kornet replacement for "9th man / backup big", who won't see hardly any playoff minutes but will be frequently needed this season when Porzingis is out, then what I really need to see is an increased efficiency when he gets high-percentage opportunities in the paint. He showed a hook shot from like 6 feet last night, didn't he? That was promising. But I need more before I declare him a Kornet upgrade.
 

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As much as we make fun of Kornet for having bad hands and dropping close-in layoffs around the basket for turnovers, my early impressions of Queta are that his hands aren't that great. The missed layups and such are sporting tragedies on a team with this much offensive talent. If we're evaluating Queta as the potential Kornet replacement for "9th man / backup big", who won't see hardly any playoff minutes but will be frequently needed this season when Porzingis is out, then what I really need to see is an increased efficiency when he gets high-percentage opportunities in the paint. He showed a hook shot from like 6 feet last night, didn't he? That was promising. But I need more before I declare him a Kornet upgrade.
I chalk up Queta misses to nervousness/energy. BUT he'll probably never be more than a 5th offensive option.

He'll see minutes based on his defense/off-rebounding or tip-outs, since the Celtics' TOP8 players are all +offensive players. It's more important that he quickly finds open shooters for step-in 3s after a long rebound then looks for his own mid-range shot.
 

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As much as we make fun of Kornet for having bad hands and dropping close-in layoffs around the basket for turnovers, my early impressions of Queta are that his hands aren't that great. The missed layups and such are sporting tragedies on a team with this much offensive talent. If we're evaluating Queta as the potential Kornet replacement for "9th man / backup big", who won't see hardly any playoff minutes but will be frequently needed this season when Porzingis is out, then what I really need to see is an increased efficiency when he gets high-percentage opportunities in the paint. He showed a hook shot from like 6 feet last night, didn't he? That was promising. But I need more before I declare him a Kornet upgrade.
The game moves way too fast for him especially when he's out there against opposing starters who know how to exploit his lack of foot speed/positioning. In college he was very effective on the low block scoring but it was against much smaller defenders and he was a low-post 3-second call waiting to happen on every touch as he patiently backed down into position for short jump hooks, push shots, layups and dunks.....that isn't happening in the NBA but he is slowing the game down better than I thought to make him a serviceable regular season emergency big on a team like the Celtics where he doesn't have to do much outside of his strengths. He just isn't playable against starting units.
 

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I chalk up Queta misses to nervousness/energy. BUT he'll probably never be more than a 5th offensive option.

He'll see minutes based on his defense/off-rebounding or tip-outs, since the Celtics' TOP8 players are all +offensive players. It's more important that he quickly finds open shooters for step-in 3s after a long rebound then looks for his own mid-range shot.
Agreed, what we need out of that spot is a great rebounder who's an acceptable defender (preferably switchable to wings), with acceptable tools on offense. We don't need - and couldn't afford anyway - a big with great offensive moves from 10' and in. Poeltl would've been ideal but we couldn't have gotten him. I'd been hoping a bit on Zach Collins since he was on an expiring and non-guaranteed year, but the Spurs decided to back him a few weeks ago in a new 2-year deal. Marvin Bagley is probably available but we can't afford him. Drummond, on an expiring $3.4M deal, would be close to ideal from a rebounding perspective, but Chicago needs him to suck up minutes, a price that's worth it to them is probably not worth it to us.

There may not be much out there that's a clear upgrade on what "the better of Kornet and Queta" can offer us, and certainly not at their prices ($2.4M non-guaranteed, and a two-way).
 

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If Queta can’t hold up against starters, don’t play him against starters. He’s a live bodied big who looks like he can set a good pick, rebound, and convert against smaller covers. Maybe he can get better with some minutes, where he can shore up some of the weak points in his game, like gathering quicker and finishing stronger.
 

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Agreed, what we need out of that spot is a great rebounder who's an acceptable defender (preferably switchable to wings), with acceptable tools on offense. We don't need - and couldn't afford anyway - a big with great offensive moves from 10' and in. Poeltl would've been ideal but we couldn't have gotten him. I'd been hoping a bit on Zach Collins since he was on an expiring and non-guaranteed year, but the Spurs decided to back him a few weeks ago in a new 2-year deal. Marvin Bagley is probably available but we can't afford him. Drummond, on an expiring $3.4M deal, would be close to ideal from a rebounding perspective, but Chicago needs him to suck up minutes, a price that's worth it to them is probably not worth it to us.

There may not be much out there that's a clear upgrade on what "the better of Kornet and Queta" can offer us, and certainly not at their prices ($2.4M non-guaranteed, and a two-way).
I like Poeltl in theory, but his free-throw shooting makes him all but unplayable at the end of close games. Not that the C's necessarily would have used him in those situations, but that's still a glaring weakness.
 

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I like Poeltl in theory, but his free-throw shooting makes him all but unplayable at the end of close games. Not that the C's necessarily would have used him in those situations, but that's still a glaring weakness.
Oof. 45% (14 for 31 thus far this year) is certainly terrible. It was at least not among the worst in the league last year (59%, 119/201). Kornet doesn't take a lot of FTs, but last year he was pretty great for a big man (32/39, 82%).

Queta's FT% was 65% in college, ~55% in the G-league the last two seasons. So probably not a strength as he battles for a roster spot here.
 

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Agreed, what we need out of that spot is a great rebounder who's an acceptable defender (preferably switchable to wings), with acceptable tools on offense. We don't need - and couldn't afford anyway - a big with great offensive moves from 10' and in. Poeltl would've been ideal but we couldn't have gotten him. I'd been hoping a bit on Zach Collins since he was on an expiring and non-guaranteed year, but the Spurs decided to back him a few weeks ago in a new 2-year deal. Marvin Bagley is probably available but we can't afford him. Drummond, on an expiring $3.4M deal, would be close to ideal from a rebounding perspective, but Chicago needs him to suck up minutes, a price that's worth it to them is probably not worth it to us.

There may not be much out there that's a clear upgrade on what "the better of Kornet and Queta" can offer us, and certainly not at their prices ($2.4M non-guaranteed, and a two-way).
I was with you on needing decent defense and rebounding. both of which Kornet is pretty good at I should mention. but then mentioning Collins and Bagley? aren't both of them the opposite of that archetype?
 

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Agreed, what we need out of that spot is a great rebounder who's an acceptable defender (preferably switchable to wings), with acceptable tools on offense. We don't need - and couldn't afford anyway - a big with great offensive moves from 10' and in. Poeltl would've been ideal but we couldn't have gotten him. I'd been hoping a bit on Zach Collins since he was on an expiring and non-guaranteed year, but the Spurs decided to back him a few weeks ago in a new 2-year deal. Marvin Bagley is probably available but we can't afford him. Drummond, on an expiring $3.4M deal, would be close to ideal from a rebounding perspective, but Chicago needs him to suck up minutes, a price that's worth it to them is probably not worth it to us.

There may not be much out there that's a clear upgrade on what "the better of Kornet and Queta" can offer us, and certainly not at their prices ($2.4M non-guaranteed, and a two-way).
Right: we're not going to be posting him up. He had 10 boards in 15 minutes! 6 offensive rebounds!

That kind of energy- especially when KP is out- is very welcome.
 

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None of the guys Celtics can afford asset wise and cap-wise are going to be good or be flawless - Drummond is about as bad a FT shooter as Poeltl, among other flaws.

What I personally would think about is less rebounding than utility in specific matchups. Yes, rebounding is an issue and the Knicks/Lakers/Orlando type of size is going to be an issue...but also one that the current crew largely has to figure out, because I don't think we're playing "Drummond" or whoever else big minutes against any of them. For me the place to consider is specifically matching up with Embiid, AD, or Jokic as those are teams Celtics may need to beat to do what they want and right now they are an old Al or gamy KP away from a lot of Kornet struggling in those specific matchups, IMO. Embiid and Jokic are probably best dealt with through stoutness---effectively the Grant model. AD is different, and length matters more (though Kornet thus less-awful alternative). Our various coach/scouting types should weigh in as well on specific profiles for those three but for me that's a better target with scarce resources than a generic upgrade at C.

Nerlens Noel? Blake Griffin about as good a do of that profile as I see, and he's probably on 'shadow roster' anyway at this point. Taj Gibson a similar profile. Maybe that's not a different list than "backup Cs' really but I would think about the goal differently.
 

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The game moves way too fast for him especially when he's out there against opposing starters who know how to exploit his lack of foot speed/positioning.
One of the reasons I would surmise that the Green Kornet is ahead of Queta is that the Cs apparently think that Kornet is better guarding guys 1 on 1 as last night they allowed him to get switched onto IIRC Trae and Hunter and Bogie (although all made their shots). Queta was exclusively drop coverage, which didn't go very well either.

It's pretty amazing that Al can still credibly guard guys like Trae Young at 37.
 

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I thought it notable that Queta rarely saw the ball back when he rolled off the PNR action, despite generally being wife fucking open. Methinks the other players don't have much faith in him yet. Which is significantly different than Kornet.

Despite looking like Bambi on skates at times, and as though he has hands like feet at others, Kornet has a very deft touch with putting the ball into the hoop inside of 5'. We saw it twice last night: once on a nice offensive rebound put back; the other after receiving the ball back from Tatum as he (LK) rolled into the lane and drained a shot from about 6' out.
 

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None of the guys Celtics can afford asset wise and cap-wise are going to be good or be flawless - Drummond is about as bad a FT shooter as Poeltl, among other flaws.

What I personally would think about is less rebounding than utility in specific matchups. Yes, rebounding is an issue and the Knicks/Lakers/Orlando type of size is going to be an issue...but also one that the current crew largely has to figure out, because I don't think we're playing "Drummond" or whoever else big minutes against any of them. For me the place to consider is specifically matching up with Embiid, AD, or Jokic as those are teams Celtics may need to beat to do what they want and right now they are an old Al or gamy KP away from a lot of Kornet struggling in those specific matchups, IMO. Embiid and Jokic are probably best dealt with through stoutness---effectively the Grant model. AD is different, and length matters more (though Kornet thus less-awful alternative). Our various coach/scouting types should weigh in as well on specific profiles for those three but for me that's a better target with scarce resources than a generic upgrade at C.

Nerlens Noel? Blake Griffin about as good a do of that profile as I see, and he's probably on 'shadow roster' anyway at this point. Taj Gibson a similar profile. Maybe that's not a different list than "backup Cs' really but I would think about the goal differently.
is nerlens noel still alive? I haven't heard his name in a few years
 

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I thought it notable that Queta rarely saw the ball back when he rolled off the PNR action, despite generally being wife fucking open. Methinks the other players don't have much faith in him yet. Which is significantly different than Kornet.

Despite looking like Bambi on skates at times, and as though he has hands like feet at others, Kornet has a very deft touch with putting the ball into the hoop inside of 5'. We saw it twice last night: once on a nice offensive rebound put back; the other after receiving the ball back from Tatum as he (LK) rolled into the lane and drained a shot from about 6' out.
Yes! Trust is earned and the players know who they trust in certain situations. Putting the ball into the hands of Queta as a moving target is rarely going to be a good option unless it's for an uncontested catch and dunk.
 

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Luke has nice shooting touch, and decent offensive skills for a 3rd string 5. BUT he does have a tendency to get pushed around a bit, dreaded SOFTish label.

With KP out for ~ two weeks, this will be a great time to see if Luke & Queta can add value. I'd also advocate for small ball minutes from Brissett & Stevens at the 5.

Joe needs to be careful with Horford (no back-to-backs), regardless W/L outcomes
 

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I was with you on needing decent defense and rebounding. both of which Kornet is pretty good at I should mention. but then mentioning Collins and Bagley? aren't both of them the opposite of that archetype?
I was mostly looking at offensive efficiency around the rim and then evaluating plausibility from there (if that proves to be Queta's major drawback). I probably should've scanned for rebounding firstly, when thinking about options beyond our roster. Fair point.
 

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I thought it notable that Queta rarely saw the ball back when he rolled off the PNR action, despite generally being wife fucking open. Methinks the other players don't have much faith in him yet. Which is significantly different than Kornet.
Of all our freudian typos of late, this might be my favorite.
 

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I was mostly looking at offensive efficiency around the rim and then evaluating plausibility from there (if that proves to be Queta's major drawback). I probably should've scanned for rebounding firstly, when thinking about options beyond our roster. Fair point.
the numbers as well as my eyeballs indicate Kornet is exceptionally efficient finishing. I don't see what you see re his hands, I see a guy whose actually really really good at getting the ball in quickly and with touch when he gets an opening.

edit: he's at 85 pct in the restricted area which is an elite number. only 26 attempts but I also don't see him doing the Perkins thing much where he dilly dallies and doesn't even get a shot up
 

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the numbers as well as my eyeballs indicate Kornet is exceptionally efficient finishing. I don't see what you see re his hands, I see a guy whose actually really really good at getting the ball in quickly and with touch when he gets an opening.
We're talking about different things. The criticism I have with his hands is receiving the ball on a layoff from another player's drive. He seems to fumble the ball upon receipt way more often than an NBA player should. Once he's secured it, though, right around the rim, he is indeed very efficient at scoring it (to my eyes).

Jaylen is to "turning it over by driving into traffic" as Kornet is to "turning it over when receiving it in traffic". The trend that may or may not have a ton of statistical validity, but jumps off the screen at a lot of interested viewers.
 

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Kornet also has his hands on many potential rebounds that he doesn't hold on to. They bounce off of his hands. Queta seems to grab them better.
 

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We're talking about different things. The criticism I have with his hands is receiving the ball on a layoff from another player's drive. He seems to fumble the ball upon receipt way more often than an NBA player should. Once he's secured it, though, right around the rim, he is indeed very efficient at scoring it (to my eyes).

Jaylen is to "turning it over by driving into traffic" as Kornet is to "turning it over when receiving it in traffic". The trend that may or may not have a ton of statistical validity, but jumps off the screen at a lot of interested viewers.
I know that's your criticism, I don't personally see it watching the games.
 

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I'd also add that you'd expect the fumbling the ball thing to correlate with turnovers but he's really quite good in that regard, even for guys who are only finishers with limited skills
 

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My main issue with Kornet is that he doesn’t really have the bulk to hold his position against stronger players. Like what @benhogan said but I wouldn’t call it “soft”.
 

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Kornet has always been a poor rebounder. It's been a very consistent trait every year he's been in the league. His value is being an incredibly efficient scorer and a good partner in P/R. I would argue his defense is passable even though his rebounding is poor (he's also a very good shot-blocker). Also, despite the eye test, (with the exception of last season) he's never been very turnover prone.

Queta seems pretty much the opposite player. He's a low efficiency scorer and a decent rebounder. In other words, I'd take Kornet in almost every situation.
 

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There are two videos of Queta attached (#8 so scroll down a bit).

Video 1. Q scored a basket when the game got somewhat tight & the Hawks were on a 13-0 run. Some nice upfakes without walking. More than that he set numerous screens on the perimeter without fouling.

Video 2. Played really nice perimeter defense against Murray. Didn't reach, got low, nice footwork, again didn't foul, rode DM's side & forced him into help which eventually led to the Horford steal.

These next few weeks without KP will probably lead to an unexpected loss or two BUT worth it if Coach JOE can gather some Q/ Kornet/small-ball 5 intel.

https://www.celticsblog.com/2023/11/27/23977568/back-on-track-10-takeaways-from-boston-celtics-atlanta-hawks-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-al-horford