Yeah, if that's what it is, it makes sense that the punishment would be a suspension for probably some number of games exceeding 5. And a clear warning that there will be no suspension for a repeat infraction.
everyone on Twitter saying the burner is Noah Vonleh. no idea why.Welp, it was in fact a sexual issue. Not misconduct but a pretty bad look.
And yeah it seems the burner is probably a C's staffer
Unless it’s an intern.Gross but feels like best case scenario.
Thank god it wasn't the wife/girlfriend of someone in the organization. That would have made things very difficult. Nonetheless, this will be a distraction for the team...and for Ime/Nia for a while. Ugh.Gross but feels like best case scenario.
Joined in Sept 2018. Not like it was new. Account is mostly shitposting .Welp, it was in fact a sexual issue. Not misconduct but a pretty bad look.
And yeah it seems the burner is probably a C's staffer
Apparently they have been separated but still poor judgment. Don't shit where you eat.I mean he’s married to fucking Nia Long. If he cheated on her he deserves it. This is weird.
I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1572820924801646592?s=20&t=K7NGLXf2fEI6VRcOjgaxZw
If they’re actually considering a season long suspension, this isn’t like the VP of Marketing or something it’s got to be someone who directly or indirectly reports to Ime.
if it’s bad enough to suspend him for a year it’s surprising to me he hasn’t been fired; this is either an overreaction or we’ll find out horrible details and he will in fact be let go. I can’t imagine a year- long suspension being the outcome.I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.
Yeah it’s either “his job isn’t at risk” OR “he’s facing a year-long suspension.”if it’s bad enough to suspend him for a year it’s surprising to me he hasn’t been fired; this is either an overreaction or we’ll find out horrible details and he will in fact be let go. I can’t imagine a year- long suspension being the outcome.
If not consensual he never coaches in the league again and goes to jail. So I think you're wrong here. One season does sound high for fraternization though.I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.
But then that's a league and legal situation. The team guidelines is throwing me.
NmIf not consensual he never coaches in the league again and goes to jail. So I think you're wrong here. One season does sound high for fraternization though.
I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.If not consensual he never coaches in the league again and goes to jail. So I think you're wrong here. One season does sound high for fraternization though.
There doesn’t need to be an imminent suit or non-consensual activity involved for a leader having an affair with a direct subordinate to potentially subject the organization to an unacceptable amount of risk.I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.
I worry that this is something that becomes a league issue that the team has shown up on this. Is there some sort of suit (civil or otherwise) that's coming the franchise is trying to stem, organizationally?
If that tweet was from a Celtic’s staffer it’s possible people inside are frustrated he wasn’t fired and so are leaking. Then again, why not leak the aggravating circumstances, because as bad as it is to hook up with people below you in an organization, if you’re talking year long suspensions and have leaks like this, maybe she was a direct reportee or something worse. Sure as shit hope not.I'm a bit surprised that the details of such internal discussions, which really should involve a tiny number of folks within the organization, would leak out. It's not all adding up so far.
Cursory look at the replies says there are a bunch more. Not saying this isn’t her, but she isn’t the only female on staff.
Agreed. Dumb to speculate. I deleted my post.Cursory look at the replies says there are a bunch more. Not saying this isn’t her, but she isn’t the only female on staff.
This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization becomes very challenging. Did she say it was okay because she feared losing her job or some kind of retaliation to saying no? The lines become blurry very quickly which is why a lot of workplaces aren't comfortable with it.Am I way off base here? This is so overblown it’s insane. Absolutely nuts the franchise would rock the boat and ruin team chemistry in what is a critical season for the future of the FRANCHISE. (Banner 18? Or season of discontent and then JB leaves?). I mean, really?
This is a CONSENSUAL relationship with a woman who is over the age of consent, over the age of 18 and more than likely over the age of 21. Sure if she reports to IME it might pose some questions like is the dynamic of the relationship equal etc. But worthy of season long suspensions? Are you kidding me?
To be suspended season long there better be gambling on games, sexual harassment or some kind of NON-consensual encounter.
This this this.This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization
Yeah, I would be 100% fired for having a relationship with a subordinate or administrative assistant etc. Many companies have policies on this — particularly if it happened at a work type event, in front of other people, etc. I don’t know why this would be any different.This glosses over the fact that determining what is truly consensual and not when one person (seemingly) has a significant higher ranking in an organization becomes very challenging. Did she say it was okay because she feared losing her job or some kind of retaliation to saying no? The lines become blurry very quickly which is why a lot of workplaces aren't comfortable with it.
I got up to piss around 3 am, glanced at my phone and saw that a half-dozen people had sent me Woj's tweet.Boston: Getting time for bed isn't it.
Woj: Not so fast my friend.
He's probably pissed that Shams broke the news of the sexual relationship.Woj tweeting out these half baked ideas/discussions is incredibly fucking annoying and honestly pretty unprofessional.
CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.My immediate reaction is that if his actions were bad enough to warrant a significant suspension, possibly even a year-long suspension, they should just shitcan him because it’s not worth the distraction in such a critical year for the team. There’s no way this is all over a simple affair he had with someone who works for the team but isn’t directly involved with him.
I don't think anyone is saying he should be fired based on what we know. But some folks are wondering why a one year suspension would be on the table but a firing would not be. And, of course, there is a huge caveat that we really don't know if a one year suspension ever was on the table; sources have been wrong before.CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.
Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
How quickly people have forgotten the #METOO movement.I'm doubting the "consensual" part of this situation if that's the case.
But then that's a league and legal situation. The team guidelines is throwing me.
What is callous about saying IF there was a power dynamic involved, then Ime should suffer the same consequence that every other high profile man in America would deservedly suffer?CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.
Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
You said it's not worth the distraction to suspend him for "a critical year" as if the team's championship aspirations have anything to do with how they should proceed.What is callous about saying IF there was a power dynamic involved, then Ime should suffer the same consequence that every other high profile man in America would deservedly suffer?
I would argue that your characterization of Fortune 500 CEOs having to resign “over a simple affair” is pretty callous towards the women that in many of those cases are quite taken advantage of and put in awful situations.
We don't know anything about the relationship/incident(s). An isolated incident or a relationship over time? Was it/were they during the season? The post-season? The offseason? Is it still going on? Is the other person still in the organization? How did Brad/ownership find out about this, through Ime, the other person, or someone else? What was Ime's response? Was he contrite or angry?I misunderstood. I think the team is getting out in front. But if it's a dalliance, why? Make it an internal punishment. Make it financial. Don't ever do that again. If it was internal, keep it internal.
I worry that this is something that becomes a league issue that the team has shown up on this. Is there some sort of suit (civil or otherwise) that's coming the franchise is trying to stem, organizationally?
People who earn million-dollar salaries to lead enterprises get shitcanned the second that their presence becomes a distraction to that enterprise. I don’t think we’re there with Ime, but if the C’s suspend him for half the season or longer, we would be. That’s not a judgment on Ime’s character; surely there are men in that locker room (and in this thread) who’ve done far worse things. It’s just business, and doing what’s best for the team.CEOs for major Fortune 500 companies (McDonalds and Intel immediately come to mind) had to resign because of affairs with employees. So it’s certainly not unprecedented that this could be over a simple affair.
Having said that, I’m seeing a lot of pretty callous posts saying Udoka should just be fired, as if he’s not a human being who made a mistake, but rather a distraction to a professional sports team that we think could win a championship. Doesn’t he deserve a second chance?
This. It’s a VERY bad lookIme is the most high profile/important person in the organization that isn’t a player.
There isn’t ANYONE in the organization where a relationship wouldn’t involve a power dynamic that - originally pressed by Ime, wouldn’t create a potentially uncomfortable situation for the woman.
A “consensual” relationship just means (at this point), the woman didn’t outwardly reject his advances.
It’s a bad look.
100% so.Also, if you’re willing to make excuses for Ime because “Championship window,” you’re kind of gross.