HOF Class of 2022

Seels

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Ware should be first ballot.

I don't see any of those other guys getting in right away -- maybe Hester.

My vote would be Ronde Barber, Richard Seymour, Patrick Willis, Leroy Butler, and Ware.

There are a lot of WR that are all roughly similar to each other and I'd be hard pressed to consider Steve Smith getting in while guys like Holt and Johnson aren't. I also personally don't get the Boselli argument but as Terrel Davis made it in, it seems like Boselli is going to happen at some point.
 

IdiotKicker

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Hester is the best player ever at his position, but it’s hard to tell how many people really recognize his position. I’m of the opinion he should be in, because I truly believe he is just a master at his craft (and I say this as someone who hated him coming out of college), but I agree he’s a maybe because of the niche he fills. But my love for Devin Hester has no bounds, and I’ve done a complete 180 on him since he came into the league.
 

Kliq

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Ware should be first ballot.

I don't see any of those other guys getting in right away -- maybe Hester.

My vote would be Ronde Barber, Richard Seymour, Patrick Willis, Leroy Butler, and Ware.

There are a lot of WR that are all roughly similar to each other and I'd be hard pressed to consider Steve Smith getting in while guys like Holt and Johnson aren't. I also personally don't get the Boselli argument but as Terrel Davis made it in, it seems like Boselli is going to happen at some point.
Ware and Jared Allen have extremely similar stats, I think he stands a chance at getting in.
 

snowmanny

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I'm always a little surprised when Seymour doesn't get it. He was first team all-Decade for the 2000's and that team is chosen by the HOF selection committee and those guys on the first team pretty much all get in.

Wilfork won't but for my money he was the best defensive player on the Pats for a lot of weeks over a lot of years of dominance.
 

Phil Plantier

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I'm always a little surprised when Seymour doesn't get it. He was first team all-Decade for the 2000's and that team is chosen by the HOF selection committee and those guys on the first team pretty much all get in.

Wilfork won't but for my money he was the best defensive player on the Pats for a lot of weeks over a lot of years of dominance.
I think for borderline cases (and Seymour seems to be a borderline case, although I agree with you), it comes down to the voter who stands up and argues for those players. Does anyone know who the New England voter is? Hopefully they revise their Seymour presentation for next February.
 

Hoya81

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I think for borderline cases (and Seymour seems to be a borderline case, although I agree with you), it comes down to the voter who stands up and argues for those players. Does anyone know who the New England voter is? Hopefully they revise their Seymour presentation for next February.
Rob Borges is the NE HOF voter. The Herald had some background on his presentation from the 2020 vote.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/01/former-patriot-richard-seymour-falls-short-in-pro-football-hall-of-fame-bid/
 

BaseballJones

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That's awful that Borges is the NE HOF voter. He has been so out of touch with football for like a decade at least.
 

TomTerrific

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That's awful that Borges is the NE HOF voter. He has been so out of touch with football for like a decade at least.
Plus, isn't he the guy that said that either Koren Robinson or David Terrell would have been much better choices, and if Belichick really wanted a DE he should have taken Kenyatta Walker instead? How ringing is his endorsement going to be knowing in the back of his mind he will be hearing that for the rest of his life if Seymour gets in?

If Borges were a different person I would be fine with this, because all media types write things they regret, it's part of the job. But I've never had the sense that he's someone inclined to ever admit he was wrong.
 
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Al Zarilla

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It should be Mike Reiss
Reiss got some nice praise on the Good Morning Football show this week. That's the one with Kay Adams, Peter Schrager, Kyle Brandt, and usually Nate Burleson (off doing Sunday analysis work for CBS). Said Reiss always does his homework, due diligence about the Patriots and you can always count him to be right. We all know that, but it's nice to hear it about a guy on a national show.
 

Phil Plantier

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Rob Borges is the NE HOF voter. The Herald had some background on his presentation from the 2020 vote.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/02/01/former-patriot-richard-seymour-falls-short-in-pro-football-hall-of-fame-bid/
It sounds like he's making a good effort, at least

Borges presented testimony and recommendations from Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and Andre Tippett from the Patriots. He also had Hall of Fame center Kevin Mawae talk about how tough it was to play against him. Former Patriot Rodney Harrison provided testimony about what Seymour meant to the defense. Borges also had NFL offensive coordinator Norv Turner discussing how Seymour couldn’t be blocked by one guy.
 

lexrageorge

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Borges is at least motivated to make a strong case for the players in his region. I don't think he's qualified to do much else, and it's always fun to remind the world of what he wrote after the Pats drafted Seymour and Light. But I don't believe the Hall voters care at all about what Borges wrote 20 years ago when it comes to assessing the worthiness of a nominee.
 

Marciano490

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I didn’t realize Borges had a job still, much less a position of influence. Wasn’t he busted for plagiarism (maybe multiple times)? I hated that dude, even if he was the only one still writing about boxing.
 

NortheasternPJ

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Borges is at least motivated to make a strong case for the players in his region. I don't think he's qualified to do much else, and it's always fun to remind the world of what he wrote after the Pats drafted Seymour and Light. But I don't believe the Hall voters care at all about what Borges wrote 20 years ago when it comes to assessing the worthiness of a nominee.
So why not do it again?

View: https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/717405578222575620?s=20
 

AB in DC

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Ware, Willis, and Jared Allen are no-brainers to me. Not sure who's next. I'm guessing they'll vote for at least one WR from that crew. Then Hester maybe?