His Royal Chaimness or Will the Bloom Come Off the Rose?

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Maybe the Sox ask Hosmer where he'd like to be traded and they work something out. Or, as mentioned, maybe they just cut him and eat a small amount of money. Inconsequential either way.
 

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With Casas playing fairly well down the stretch, Hosmer’s limited value to the Sox has only lessened- they aren’t going to break camp with a LH backup 1B, and if he’s the starting DH, something has gone terribly long. I imagine he sticks around for a bit as insurance, maybe even until March in case of a Casas injury, but can’t imagine he’s long for this team. Maybe he gets flipped for a reliever or something.
 

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Maybe the Sox ask Hosmer where he'd like to be traded and they work something out. Or, as mentioned, maybe they just cut him and eat a small amount of money. Inconsequential either way.
I think given his vet stats they at least make an effort to land him somewhere that works for him as well.

Curiously, w/r/t to His Chaimness, it seems a pretty rough observation on recent roster construction that sosh is ready to kick Hosmer to the curb for nada, when he would have been the best first baseman on the team the last two years.
 

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I think given his vet stats they at least make an effort to land him somewhere that works for him as well.

Curiously, w/r/t to His Chaimness, it seems a pretty rough observation on recent roster construction that sosh is ready to kick Hosmer to the curb for nada, when he would have been the best first baseman on the team the last two years.
Any team looking for a LH hitting platoon half/back up to play 1B as well as a veteran presence on a young team is likely to find Hosmer's contract very attractive. I think Hosmer can be a nice enhancement piece in a potential trade.
 

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Why would he agree to a trade when he can sign for even more money with whomever he likes once to Sox cut him? The risk being the Sox keep him on the bench for spite?
 

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Why would he agree to a trade when he can sign for even more money with whomever he likes once to Sox cut him? The risk being the Sox keep him on the bench for spite?
There is a considerable amount of $$$ due him from San Diego. I'm not sure the how the dynamics change should the Sox release him, but I'm guessing he's not getting more than what he's owed by refusing a trade.
 

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Why would he agree to a trade when he can sign for even more money with whomever he likes once to Sox cut him? The risk being the Sox keep him on the bench for spite?
Unless I misunderstand you, this shouldn’t matter unless you think he’s beating his Padres contract on the open market. If he gets released and signs with someone for $8m, say, all that does is save the Padres some money. It doesn’t change his compensation at all, just which team is paying for it.

So money shouldn’t be an issue; like with a max contract NBA player, it’s all about quality of life.

edit: or what YTF said half an hour ago.
 

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There is a considerable amount of $$$ due him from San Diego. I'm not sure the how the dynamics change should the Sox release him, but I'm guessing he's not getting more than what he's owed by refusing a trade.
I'm not sure of the dynamics either. If he's cut by the Sox and picked up by another team, his existing contract still applies, correct? So the only way he's getting more money is if some team extends him, which I don't see happening unless he gets plugged into the Juvenation Machine this winter and proceeds to tear the cover off the ball next season.
 

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I think Sin Duda’s point is that Hosmer is best suited by declining trades and calling the Sox bluff; he makes zero sense for the team to keep as one of their four backup position players, and assuming that he will eventually be waived / released and can pick his own destination.
 

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For that matter, Josh Bell is a free agent after this postseason run. Hosmer could go back to the Padres in a small deal or after he'd be released.
 

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I'm not sure of the dynamics either. If he's cut by the Sox and picked up by another team, his existing contract still applies, correct? So the only way he's getting more money is if some team extends him, which I don't see happening unless he gets plugged into the Juvenation Machine this winter and proceeds to tear the cover off the ball next season.
The contract still applies, yes. Regardless of who he plays for, Hosmer is going to make a total of $13M next year. If some other team picks him after he clears waivers and is released, whatever salary they pay is deducted from the Padres and Red Sox books for 2023 while his take home remains the same. Typically when a player is released and picked up by another team, the new team pays the league minimum (pro-rated if mid-season) because why would they volunteer to pay more? So there's no incentive on Hosmer's part to hold out for more money because there's no more money to make unless he can convince a team to pay him more than the Pads/Sox owe him, which ain't happening.
 

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I think Sin Duda’s point is that Hosmer is best suited by declining trades and calling the Sox bluff; he makes zero sense for the team to keep as one of their four backup position players, and assuming that he will eventually be waived / released and can pick his own destination.
I'm not sure what the "bluff" is here. I'm guessing that the Sox would speak to Hosmer as to which teams he would and wouldn't be willing to go to and move forward based on that info.
 

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For that matter, Josh Bell is a free agent after this postseason run. Hosmer could go back to the Padres in a small deal or after he'd be released.
The Padres just gave Hosmer away for almost nothing and swallowed tens of millions of dollars for the privilege. The contract they agreed to with him has been derided as a joke since the moment it was signed. They lived through almost five seasons in which his WAR totaled 3.7.

Why would they ever want him back? It would be like the Bosox bringing back Carl Crawford in 2013.
 

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The Padres just gave Hosmer away for almost nothing and swallowed tens of millions of dollars for the privilege. The contract they agreed to with him has been derided as a joke since the moment it was signed. They lived through almost five seasons in which his WAR totaled 3.7.

Why would they ever want him back? It would be like the Bosox bringing back Carl Crawford in 2013.
Simple economics old chap. If you were paying $12.25 M per season for the next three seasons to a guy to play for another team, wouldn't you jump at the chance to replace him with a guy making $750 K?
 

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The Padres just gave Hosmer away for almost nothing and swallowed tens of millions of dollars for the privilege. The contract they agreed to with him has been derided as a joke since the moment it was signed. They lived through almost five seasons in which his WAR totaled 3.7.

Why would they ever want him back? It would be like the Bosox bringing back Carl Crawford in 2013.
I agree that San Diego is an unlikely landing spot for Hosmer. He has way more potential value to any of the other 29 teams (including the Red Sox) because he'll only cost any of them the league minimum. The Pads are already paying him $12.5M for 2023.
 

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The Padres just gave Hosmer away for almost nothing and swallowed tens of millions of dollars for the privilege. The contract they agreed to with him has been derided as a joke since the moment it was signed. They lived through almost five seasons in which his WAR totaled 3.7.

Why would they ever want him back? It would be like the Bosox bringing back Carl Crawford in 2013.
The point being that there are multiple options for Hosmer next season, which is why I began with "For that matter ..."
Most likely, they don't want him back ... but they're already paying him and he was popular in the clubhouse. If they decide to let Bell walk, Hosmer becomes a possibility, however slight
 

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I agree that San Diego is an unlikely landing spot for Hosmer. He has way more potential value to any of the other 29 teams (including the Red Sox) because he'll only cost any of them the league minimum. The Pads are already paying him $12.5M for 2023.
It may be unlikely, but not because the marginal cost of adding Hosmer is identical for all 30 teams.
 

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The guy who knows how to build a winner will be smoking a cigar in Philly tonight while His Royal Chaimness is in the basement with Henry and the nerds eeking out the hidden value of criminals, middling prospects, and injured free agents - calculating how to pacify the fans and hold on to what's left of a core until draft picks garnered from finishing last climb the ladder Ownership getting what they deserve while cashing in on screwed over fans again.

Zero confidence in Bloom's ability to do what needs to be done in Boston.
 
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The guy who knows how to build a winner will be smoking a cigar in Philly tonight while His Royal Chaimness is in the basement with Henry and the nerds eeking out the hidden value of criminals, middling prospects, and injured free agents - calculating how to pacify the fans and hold on to what's left of a core until draft picks garnered from finishing last climb the ladder Ownership getting what they deserve while cashing in on screwed over fans again.

Zero confidence in Bloom's ability to do what needs to be done in Boston.
Bloom built a better team last season....
 

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The guy who knows how to build a winner will be smoking a cigar in Philly tonight while His Royal Chaimness is in the basement with Henry and the nerds eeking out the hidden value of criminals, middling prospects, and injured free agents - calculating how to pacify the fans and hold on to what's left of a core until draft picks garnered from finishing last climb the ladder Ownership getting what they deserve while cashing in on screwed over fans again.

Zero confidence in Bloom's ability to do what needs to be done in Boston.
It's almost as though some don't want to recognize the difference between building a team and an organization. Give me an organization with a longer competitive window every time. This is the same organization that has won more titles in this century than any other team in the sport. But yet that team in Foxboro gets way more rope than this team, despite having accomplished the same feat. If we were looking at 1918 still I could see the angst but c'mon the Bloom tenure hasn't exactly been normal logistics wise. Can we get a grip here and stop with the chicken little stuff for an organization that was 2 wins from another world series just 2 years ago?
 

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The guy who knows how to build a winner will be smoking a cigar in Philly tonight while His Royal Chaimness is in the basement with Henry and the nerds eeking out the hidden value of criminals, middling prospects, and injured free agents - calculating how to pacify the fans and hold on to what's left of a core until draft picks garnered from finishing last climb the ladder Ownership getting what they deserve while cashing in on screwed over fans again.

Zero confidence in Bloom's ability to do what needs to be done in Boston.
An 87 win team got hot at the right team after a decade of futility.
Pulse-pounding.