This is really how you have to view him.Wait and see the terms. Another slot receiver.
O'B is familiar with him and presumably wanted him.
To be fair, BB also would appear worried when the team was facing Brookline High School. “They’re well coached, highly skilled and smart players, and they’ve been aiming for this game for weeks. Always a tough matchup for us”
As a rookie, in 10 games, that's a very good lineWell, the Broncos could use a TE. Their top guy, Greg Dulcich, went for 33/411/2 last season.
Gesicki is a much better athlete but yeah a Gesicki/Henry duo isn’t quite a pair you can line up in any formation with. Predictability on offense has been an issue (at least last year it was), so I’d love to see them add a TE who can maul in the run game.Like the player, think he's basically Hunter Henry. Still don't know how you fit Gesicki/Henry/Schuster into the same offense. Very limited versatility there.
Honestly, the best route to go would probably be to just release Henry and get a blocking/all around TE in the third/fourth round. Then I'd like the group a lot better.Gesicki is a much better athlete I believe but yeah a Gesicki/Henry duo isn’t quite a pair you can line up in any formation with. Predictability has been an issue, so I’d love to see them add a TE who can maul in the run game.
This sounds like a QB problem with pre-snap audibles, unless you feel like Gesicki can’t block DBs.If you’re using him as a big slot receiver, or a red zone threat, that’s fine. The problem is when he’s on the field, you know with near 99% certainty that it’s a pass. Because of that, he rarely gets matched up on a LB, where he would probably have an advantage, and instead is almost always seeing a S or nickel DB, where again, he struggles to get open and gets tackled almost immediately.
All of those guys are in the last year of their deals, really doubt they'd be enticing pieces for a trade like that.Maybe the Pats are working on a trade for a top WR where Henry, Bourne, or even Parker might be part of the package heading out?
He can’t. Again I’ve watched him for 5 years.This sounds like a QB problem with pre-snap audibles, unless you feel like Gesicki can’t block DBs.
Draft capital would be the main offer but maybe a player as an add-in.All of those guys are in the last year of their deals, really doubt they'd be enticing pieces for a trade like that.
Then they could use a competent #2. No other TE on their roster had more than 10 receptions.As a rookie, in 10 games, that's a very good line
See all the posts after mine. Gesicki doesn't block, neither does Henry. They're pretty redundant.Doesn't this replace jonnu?
This is generally what I've heard other Miami fans say and I'd tend to believe it. I know as Pats fans we kind of want any player they sign, especially one who can be a playmaker like Gesicki on catches, to be able to do the other things but Miami's coaching is strong and clearly Tua and the team can support receivers producing really well. That Gesicki couldn't find a good role blocking or as a tertiary guy to Hill and Waddle seems to support all of this.This is really how you have to view him.
Gesicki is a really outstanding contested ball catcher with a big catch radius and typically very reliable hands.
I would say his ability to separate is probably a bit misleading. He’s actually a pretty poor separator but he makes up for that usually with making contested catches. He has long speed so on seam balls and vertical routes he gets open, but underneath stuff, not really.
He also offers near nothing in the run game and with the ball in his hands. Not trying to poo poo on him because he’s signing with New England, just trying to tell you what I’ve seen after watching him for 5 years.
If you’re using him as a big slot receiver, or a red zone threat, that’s fine. The problem is when he’s on the field, you know with near 99% certainty that it’s a pass. Because of that, he rarely gets matched up on a LB, where he would probably have an advantage, and instead is almost always seeing a S or nickel DB, where again, he struggles to get open and gets tackled almost immediately.
Best of luck to Mike moving forward. He’s a stand up dude that didn’t say a peep last year about essentially being relegated to a backup player. Definitely a team first guy.
The Gronk/Hernandez duo was completely unfair, man. The up tempo stuff they ran in 2011 with those guys was insane, could go five wide or run the ball out of a tight formation without substituting.Folks, this is why Gronk was SO valuable. He was a premier receiving tight end and a premier blocking tight end. Having him on the field was the ultimate queen on the chessboard. You could do anything with him there.
I was kicking around a Sutton + a 3rd for Henry + a 6th type deal in my head.Draft capital would be the main offer but maybe a player as an add-in.
Yep. Gronk being hurt for that Super Bowl was a killer; otherwise, that offense was a juggernaut.The Gronk/Hernandez duo was completely unfair, man. The up tempo stuff they ran in 2011 with those guys was insane, could go five wide or run the ball out of a tight formation without substituting.
Shouldn’t Pats fans WANT a wider/quicker offense after what we’ve seen the past three seasons? This has been a bottom third unit since Brady left and the interior-running-first offense finds us at a huge disadvantage in this division.This is generally what I've heard other Miami fans say and I'd tend to believe it. I know as Pats fans we kind of want any player they sign, especially one who can be a playmaker like Gesicki on catches, to be able to do the other things but Miami's coaching is strong and clearly Tua and the team can support receivers producing really well. That Gesicki couldn't find a good role blocking or as a tertiary guy to Hill and Waddle seems to support all of this.
It's an interesting signing. On one hand, the Patriots desperately need guys who can stay on the field and make a contested catch. Devante Parker was/is a guy like that...if he's on the field. Gesicki feels like another one. The issue is, to tims point and yours...if Gesicki can't block and Henry is primarily a receiving TE, the "two TE and Rhamondre" plan doesn't really work. It really makes me wonder if there's another deal in the works that sends Henry out (which I'd be sad about) or if they're really committing to a wholesale offense change that move away from interior running, Rham and Beg For 5 YAC, etc. What worries me about this is that it's Mac Year 3 and it's his third different OC/OC Type in those three years, that's a recipe for disaster especially if BOB is going towards a wider, quicker offense as it seems like it may with the Robinson and Gesicki signings.
"Up to" generally carries a whole lot of weight with the Pats, but if he's getting close to 9 million I think this money could've been better utilized in getting you closer to a difference maker at outside receiver. Unless they dump Henry and save a similar amount.
I agree, but the bigger issue is having no playmakers on the field. Gesicki gives them a dimension we were missing. Depending on the contract, I'm here for it.Gesicki is a much better athlete but yeah a Gesicki/Henry duo isn’t quite a pair you can line up in any formation with. Predictability on offense has been an issue (at least last year it was), so I’d love to see them add a TE who can maul in the run game.
Neither did Jonnu.See all the posts after mine. Gesicki doesn't block, neither does Henry. They're pretty redundant.
That's the thing, I don't think they were missing that dimension. Hunter Henry was that dimension. To an extent so was Jakobi Meyers. Don't get me wrong, if it's third and goal from the 4 and you can put Gesicki out there with Henry, Schuster and Bourne out of shotgun, I think your redzone offense will improve, I just don't get why they are focusing on loading up on big body inside receivers with meh speed and agility. They are all good players, just very overlapping in what they can do for an offense in my mind.I agree, but the bigger issue is having no playmakers on the field. Gesicki gives them a dimension we were missing. Depending on the contract, I'm here for it.
They need a big move or otherwise I don't see how we see much improvement. BoB instead of Patricia will surely help. You can get the OL to play better (although personnel right now is kind of an issue) but they're still missing that big piece who can draw coverage and make things easier for everyone else. If Jeudy isn't a possibility, I have no idea where that guy comes from.That's the thing, I don't think they were missing that dimension. Hunter Henry was that dimension. To an extent so was Jakobi Meyers. Don't get me wrong, if it's third and goal from the 4 and you can put Gesicki out there with Henry, Schuster and Bourne out of shotgun, I think your redzone offense will improve, I just don't get why they are focusing on loading up on big body inside receivers with meh speed and agility. They are all good players, just very overlapping in what they can do for an offense in my mind.
After three years of teams talking about the Pats offense being easy to defend, I'm not sure these moves are meaningfully stressing opposing defenses. Now, add Jeudy to the equation and it'll be a different story.
I'd agree, and I'm certainly more optimistic for a BOB Offense than a Patricia offense, given the last couple results. I'm just concerned in terms of overall QB Development combined with the current roster talent - three different theories/structures in the first three seasons with a QB doesn't have the greatest track record and unless Mac really takes to this (and I'm more optimistic than most on Mac) it's going to be another reboot on a contract that is rapidly approaching it's "pay or let him go" spot.Shouldn’t Pats fans WANT a wider/quicker offense after what we’ve seen the past three seasons? This has been a bottom third unit since Brady left and the interior-running-first offense finds us at a huge disadvantage in this division.
I don't even want Hopkins at this point, they need someone faster and more dynamic. Easily would rather pay more for Jeudy.If they get Jeudy/Hopkins and draft an OT who can actually play, this is a potent offense with a deep receiving corps and good RBs. I was really pessimistic heading into last year, but sliding every receiver down a spot on the depth chart has a huge impact, and the RB room should be in good shape as well even with Harris departing. I know the division has gotten better as well, but I think there's something here.
He's elite at beating man coverage and has averaged nearly 15 yards per catch in his career, dude plays fast. Top 10 in yards per target last year in a mess of an offense. Upside is huge.Jeudy has one more year left, right? I don't think Denver picked up his 5th year option, AFAIK. So it would require trading probably a 2nd round pick (maybe something else as well) and THEN extending Jeudy, which probably would be pretty expensive.
So that would be a very big move for the Pats to make. Worth it? I don't know. He's a good receiver, obviously. But he's not a burner. 4.46 time in the 40. That's not bad, obviously, but it's not exactly greased lightning either. The average 40 time for a WR at the combine is 4.48, so he's a tick faster than average, but not exactly Tyreek Hill or Tyquan Thornton in terms of raw speed. He is a good route runner though, and combined with pretty decent speed makes him tough to defend.
I would very much prefer Jeudy as well.I don't even want Hopkins at this point, they need someone faster and more dynamic. Easily would rather pay more for Jeudy.
DEN or a team trading for him has until May 1 to pick up the option. Jeudy is interesting he has good tools but not WR 1 production despite playing that role in a good WR corps. Last year was his best which is good, but it wasn't top end and it came with Patrick out.Jeudy has one more year left, right? I don't think Denver picked up his 5th year option, AFAIK. So it would require trading probably a 2nd round pick (maybe something else as well) and THEN extending Jeudy, which probably would be pretty expensive.
So that would be a very big move for the Pats to make. Worth it? I don't know. He's a good receiver, obviously. But he's not a burner. 4.46 time in the 40. That's not bad, obviously, but it's not exactly greased lightning either. The average 40 time for a WR at the combine is 4.48, so he's a tick faster than average, but not exactly Tyreek Hill or Tyquan Thornton in terms of raw speed. He is a good route runner though, and combined with pretty decent speed makes him tough to defend.