Western conference playoffs are shaping up to be fun. And the regular season will be a race to see who can bubble wrap their guys more.
General Offseason Thread.
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In the post right before mine Shams doesn’t list Eric Gordon’s agent. Woj tweeted about Bridges with no mention of Rich Paul.
He’s actually deleted the tweet. Maybe Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul didn’t want his company and name associated with Miles Bridges settling for the qualifying offer.
Both teams have a good bit of depth and could be contenders with the right move
For Brooklyn, ideally they can give up something like Simmons for contract, then Clowney, Cam Thomas, and 4-5 interesting #1s from Phx, Dal, and Phi. Many that have real potential to be something . It not Simmons they could use Dinwiddle, and depending on timing either expand the Harris deal, or use their trade exception either way would require a third team)
It would leave Brooklyn with
PG Dame
SG Cam Johnson
SF Bridges
PF DFS
C Claxton
Bench includes ONeal, Sharpe, Smith, Dinwiddle (or Simmons). Bench is a little thin perhaps, but that is a contender
Utah could make a deal and still have a lot more talent around him than Portland has had in a long time, but not sure there is a way to make it a contender with him
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They will be a war, but it is funny, because it means teams like OKC, and Utah may end up finishing higher in the standings as especially OKC is likely to go all out every night, and they are exceptionally deep.
Even Houston who I hate seem like they are positioning themselves to be all in to try for at least the play in
Someone is in danger of bubble wrapping themselves out of contention.
Seems like Portland and probably SA will be the only teams in the tank
How soon could you retrade Brown if your Portland?
Might be worth kicking the can down the road a bit. I mean you KNOW Dame wants out. You DONT know Jaylen wants out.
So best case you trade Dame for Jaylen and Portland speaks with Jaylen “give us some cities” they then do a sign and trade to (let’s throw …) Atlanta. Would the sign and trade or package they could get be better then what Miami is offering.
Or you bring Jaylen in get a list (bigger then One city) and still end up with more then Miami is offering.
OR Jaylen actually likes the west coast (cal guy) and decides that he can stay in PDX.
So I think IF the celts offered JB and Brogdan proceeds for Dame you do it and don’t looke back.
Dame can’t win the PR battle (he just went to the eastern conf finalists for like every year and gets to play with a top 5 player and a buddy to boot). Portland gains time and space to make an even better move. Jaylen gets to see where he wants to be. Everyone wins.
Except the Celtics… I don’t like the idea of adding dame. Great offense but I wonder if his net add O would make up for his net minus D come playoffs.
Plus there is always the chance that Dame becomes disgruntled for whatever reason and demands a trade (but is that anymore likely then Brown doing the same?)
So I hope they Don’t do this trade. But I think from portlands perspective with an extension or not it’s a no brainer.
Might be worth kicking the can down the road a bit. I mean you KNOW Dame wants out. You DONT know Jaylen wants out.
So best case you trade Dame for Jaylen and Portland speaks with Jaylen “give us some cities” they then do a sign and trade to (let’s throw …) Atlanta. Would the sign and trade or package they could get be better then what Miami is offering.
Or you bring Jaylen in get a list (bigger then One city) and still end up with more then Miami is offering.
OR Jaylen actually likes the west coast (cal guy) and decides that he can stay in PDX.
So I think IF the celts offered JB and Brogdan proceeds for Dame you do it and don’t looke back.
Dame can’t win the PR battle (he just went to the eastern conf finalists for like every year and gets to play with a top 5 player and a buddy to boot). Portland gains time and space to make an even better move. Jaylen gets to see where he wants to be. Everyone wins.
Except the Celtics… I don’t like the idea of adding dame. Great offense but I wonder if his net add O would make up for his net minus D come playoffs.
Plus there is always the chance that Dame becomes disgruntled for whatever reason and demands a trade (but is that anymore likely then Brown doing the same?)
So I hope they Don’t do this trade. But I think from portlands perspective with an extension or not it’s a no brainer.
Agree that the Nets likely have the assets to get it done but I’m just wondering how much they want to get into the aging star game again. The above team would be solid but I don’t see a championship team there.
If Jaylen is good on the Nets, I would if a 3 team deal that sends Jaylen to Brooklyn, Dame to Boston, and filler/picks/young players to Portland might make the most sense.
For Boston, it makes sense because you’re ready to win now and Lillard fills a need for that closer. Brooklyn gets a young star wing to team with Bridges. And Portland gets to dream on some picks and clears some cap.
All of this would obviously be contingent on Jaylen not signing the supermax and being interested in the Nets (would Kyrie poison him on the idea?).
For a guard who creates a log of his shots out of iso up against the clock after the set breaks that is a really really good pct. No, he's not Curry....nobody is.
View: https://twitter.com/pauloalvesnba/status/1675574859932246016
Brook Lopez screwed Houston. He agreed to a deal, Houston traded players to Atlanta to make space, then he went back to the Bucks. Normally I’d feel like the player is an asshole, but fuck you Ime.
Brook Lopez screwed Houston. He agreed to a deal, Houston traded players to Atlanta to make space, then he went back to the Bucks. Normally I’d feel like the player is an asshole, but fuck you Ime.
Even if it were true, a non-contending team clearing space to acquire a 35 year old center a full decade removed from his last all-star game? He did them a favor.
Lonnie Walker IV to Nets on one-year deal. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37950322/free-agent-lonnie-walker-agrees-1-year-deal-nets
Fair, but there's only so much you can do to protect a stupid org from itself.
View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675665575807266817
Corey Joseph to GSW on the minimum it looks like, he's pretty solid
Corey Joseph to GSW on the minimum it looks like, he's pretty solid
He absolutely would have gotten a max or near-max contract last summer without the off-court stuff.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/06/wizards-to-trade-monte-morris-to-pistons.html
Nice small, under-the-radar deal for the Pistons. BUT only if they re-route him to a team in need at the trade deadline or use his contract for a larger/3-team trade. Can't fall in love with Monte as they did with Burks/Bojan last season.
Nice small, under-the-radar deal for the Pistons. BUT only if they re-route him to a team in need at the trade deadline or use his contract for a larger/3-team trade. Can't fall in love with Monte as they did with Burks/Bojan last season.
Bojan signed an extension and they picked up their option on Burks, so they have been able to retain both players.
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Huh? I'm sure they had offers on Bojan & Burks at the trade deadline, at least there were plenty of rumors.
Why a tanker would hang on to them, give them minutes over youngsters or not take advantage of taking on bad contracts for picks is brain-numbingly dumb in their position. Detroit Basketball!
Because they have a surplus of young players and we’ve seen over and again that having veterans in the room to teach young players and build a cohesive team is the best path to getting better. Detroit does not need more picks or young players.
I agree with this. The Pistons young players got all the time they needed on the floor. What's more important is that time on the floor with players who understand what the heck is going on. You learn from your peers more than your coaches.
The word is that DET is desperately trying to find veteran shooters because they are worried that their inability to shoot and teams just collapsing on him is stunting Cade's growth opportunities
If Alec Burks and Bojan are teaching your youngsters then you're destined for numerous seasons of lottery picking.
You want to stick a Haslem on the roster, great idea, but NBA minutes for tankers (17-win) is NBA gold.
The Pistons have plenty of room for young players or future draft picks.
Holding on to Bojan/Burks and unloading Bey for a 2nd was just one more bizarre move by Troy Weaver, who continues to run that franchise into the ground.
You want to stick a Haslem on the roster, great idea, but NBA minutes for tankers (17-win) is NBA gold.
The Pistons have plenty of room for young players or future draft picks.
Holding on to Bojan/Burks and unloading Bey for a 2nd was just one more bizarre move by Troy Weaver, who continues to run that franchise into the ground.
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They're specifically talking about having reliable shooters/drivers to kick out to, so that Cade can actually learn to process defenses, rather than just getting collapsed on by 5 guys all the time.
Could do a lot worse than Bojan and Burks and Harris for that.
Barring anything crazy happening on the Dame or Harden fronts this week, can we safely say this was one of the most boring free agency periods in recent memory? No star trades, very few head shaking contracts, and only one major free agent switching teams (FVV). I wonder if this is the new norm based on changes in the last two CBAs. It doesn’t seem like cap space particularly matters, nor does it seem like All-Stars will reach free agency.
Seriously?
Their star first overall pick from 2 years ago played 12 games. 9 of their top 10 in minutes per game played were under the age of 24.
Cool, why not add players like Isaiah Joe or keep Bey last year? OR use your cap to go get RFA like Grant or PJ Washington.
My point is Bojan and Burks had trade value at the trade deadline, while Cade wasn't even healthy enough to play.
Bojan, Burks, and Joseph were in the TOP 9 in minutes played last season for Detroit.
Per game minutes. Only Bojan was top 10.
But anyway, I don't disagree that Bojan and Burks had trade value and they should have been moved. I was just quibbling with the "Bojan is a good bet to fight for lottery picks" meme
Bojan is a nice player & could be a great offensive bench piece for a contender. Similar to what Malcolm did for Boston last season. He has real value in that spot.
If I was a Pistons fan, I'd want his money/cap space, minutes, & trade value exploited/captured. That's it, nothing else.
View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1675906267880079362
Ant Edwards extension is done, he gets the designated language, but the Wolves don't give him the player option. Seems reasonable on both ends
Ant Edwards extension is done, he gets the designated language, but the Wolves don't give him the player option. Seems reasonable on both ends
Anytime anyone worries about Boston having both Tatum/Brown on the super max at the same time, remember that Minnesota has potentially 3 players with super max contracts, and no easy trajectory for avoiding the play-in games or getting out of the 1st round. That Gobert trade just crippled this team.
Gobert does not have a supermax deal (his deal was about 25 million below the supermax). Also, MIN has a pretty easy pivot to recoup some of the picks in the Gobert deal. Trading away KAT
Ah you're correct (I remember he was eligible and just assumed he signed for it given that it was $200M+). Trading away KAT while he still has value is they're best way out, but if he gets hurt again this year and/or completely falls on his face in the playoffs, they might be looking at closer to a Beal level return instead of an all-star package.
They should definitely be looking to move KAT. For what I don't know, but that much salary focused on three players (and limited draft assets) for a team of that quality is rough.
It's not the high cost of elite talent that's the problem. It's paying a high cost for bad production.
Pat Bev: “I taught Chicago how to win last season, and I’ll do the same thing here with the 76ers"
when the NBA eventually gets a sponsor for Play-In Game MVP,
we can only hope they name it the Patrick Beverly Trophy
when the NBA eventually gets a sponsor for Play-In Game MVP,
we can only hope they name it the Patrick Beverly Trophy
Bol Bol released by Orlando. He's such a fraud. Let me see one more idiot compare him with Wemby asking how they are different and i'll break into the internet to chase them down!
Let's hope that's not the outcome for Wemby, who seems to have just about the polar opposite mental approach to Bol Bol. Bol belongs in China or something where his athletic gifts can take over and the margins will be so large his work ethic won't matter as much.
I'm old enough to remember when folks were devastated that we didn't grab him in the draft. His name came up a few times since too. Another diva big like Bamba. Plenty of talent but no heart.
I advocated for him late in the draft and while I have no great faith in him, it's pretty hard to argue that he wasn't a better upside gamble and (as it has turned out) higher floor than his draft value. THT and (later, at 48, Terrence Mann) are better picks....and he's better than the rest of the group even if he never plays another NBA minute. What people misunderstand about picks in this range is that the expected value is close to zero---so, taking shots is worthwhile. None of which changes that Bol Bol is a bow-wow personality and always has been. Occasionally the light comes on for that profile; usually not, though.
Here's the picks around him:
40. Kings draft Justin James
41. Warriors draft Eric Paschall
42. 76ers draft Admiral Schofield >> officially traded to the Wizards
43. Timberwolves draft Jaylen Nowell
44. Heat draft Bol Bol >> officially traded to the Nuggets
45. Pistons draft Isaiah Roby >> officially traded to the Mavericks
46. Magic draft Talen Horton-Tucker >> officially traded to the Lakers
47. Kings draft Ignas Brazdeikis >> officially traded to the Knicks
Totally get him as a high-ceiling, low-floor second-round flier. No issue with that at all.
It was the "OMG did you see his open court crossover reel" folks.