Honestly it’s pretty great for Chicago too. Cleveland is a dumpster fire yet again
Honestly it’s pretty great for Chicago too. Cleveland is a dumpster fire yet again
Don’t forget Okoro who is a 3/4 as well. I like Lauri as a player but this is an ass awful deal for Cleveland and Markkanen’s a terrible fit for the roster. Don’t see how this is an improvement for him over ChicagoI mean, sure, but why not just take a 1st instead. Paying $227M for Allen, Love, Markkanen is rough, doing it when you just drafted a C in the top 3 is insanity.
Is getting a lottery-protected first for Nance really better than Markkanen for four years (I assume the $ doesn't really make a difference to CLE right bow). I assume that if CLE could have gotten a better draft pick, they would have already dealt Nance.I mean, sure, but why not just take a 1st instead. Paying $227M for Allen, Love, Markkanen is rough, doing it when you just drafted a C in the top 3 is insanity.
That would make sense for a different player maybe, but you just made a huge commitment to bigs in a $100M contract to Allen and a #3 pick on Mobley. AND if you're trying to win now (you shouldn't be that team sucks) Kevin Love is better player. All Markkanen does is clog up cap and take playing time for your bigtime rookie.Is getting a lottery-protected first for Nance really better than Markkanen for four years (I assume the $ doesn't really make a difference to CLE right bow). I assume that if CLE could have gotten a better draft pick, they would have already dealt Nance.
My guess is that the franchise is trying to win (yeah them!) but CLE doesn't really have a great path to talent acquisition. So they have to take a chance on overpaying players that the rest of the league doesn't really want. Maybe it works.
And if it doesn't, well at least they can say that they weren't outright tanking.
Cleveland was the worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA last year by percentage and 28th in 3PA, so their need may be greater than the average team. Larry Nance is a good player, but he doesn't really help with that. I wonder if Kevin Love will take a Kemba-esque buyout or something. Or maybe they are expecting him to miss significant chunks of time given that he's injury-prone (he's missed, I believe, 161 games in the past 5 seasons, so he's a good bet to miss a few dozen games each season) and he's 33. I don't think he really factors into their long term or short- term decision making.Wow. I’ve generally thought pretty highly of Altman but this is a real head scratcher. Floor spacing is great and all, but seems like it’s being massively overvalued with this move.
Maybe the Cavs were being nice to Nance by sending him to a team that will be playing meaningful games now. Also, as noted above while I was drafting this, I don't think Love will be playing many games for CLE this year.That would make sense for a different player maybe, but you just made a huge commitment to bigs in a $100M contract to Allen and a #3 pick on Mobley. AND if you're trying to win now (you shouldn't be that team sucks) Kevin Love is better player. All Markkanen does is clog up cap and take playing time for your bigtime rookie.
Also.... If you want to win now you play Nance, he's a better player and he can play some 3. If you're building long term, a late 1st on cheap money and another piece is likely better than Markkanen unless you're already planning to flip Allen, but I don't see how he has much positive value on that deal, it's not underwater, but it's not a bargain.
Yeah, despite the glut of bigs, he brings a needed skill and fits their timeline, but I do wonder what else they could’ve gotten with Nance and that money (about 18% of the cap, over the contract). Nance seems like a really great fit on Portland.Cleveland was the worst 3 point shooting team in the NBA last year by percentage and 28th in 3PA, so their need may be greater than the average team. Larry Nance is a good player, but he doesn't really help with that. I wonder if Kevin Love will take a Kemba-esque buyout or something. Or maybe they are expecting him to miss significant chunks of time given that he's injury-prone (he's missed, I believe, 161 games in the past 5 seasons, so he's a good bet to miss a few dozen games each season) and he's 33. I don't think he really factors into their long term or short- term decision making.
I was hoping the C's would find a way to pick him up for a reasonable price.Nance seems like a really great fit on Portland.
I don’t think he’s caring much about roster construction at this point only looking to accumulate talent. He has plenty of future moves to make before it really matters for them in the W/L column.Idk. It all kinda almost makes sense.
Allen/Mobley/Lauri are not going to be expected to play more than 32 minutes per game each, so you've covered your 4 & 5 minutes.
Kevin Love is not part of the future. Maybe they buy him out or trade him for a terrible wing contract or whatever.
They have lined up a young core of players that are locked up between those 3 & Sexton/Garland/Okoro.
I mean yeah, most of those guys suck & that's never going to be better than a 7 seed even if it comes together, but it's not like free agents are going to be knocking down the Cavs doors.
Plus, if you get your smalls & bigs worked out, you can still be bad enough to tank for an elite wing in this upcoming draft.
I don’t know, that squad’s so bad that I’d be willing to take on K-Love’s contract in exchange for their #1 next year in hopes of drafting Adrian Griffin Jr.I was hoping the C's would find a way to pick him up for a reasonable price.
They’ve been reluctant to pay the toll on moving Love’s contract. But sooner or later they’re going to bite the bullet and give someone a #1 to take on responsibility for buying out Love.I mean, sure, but why not just take a 1st instead. Paying $227M for Allen, Love, Markkanen is rough, doing it when you just drafted a C in the top 3 is insanity.
Okoro is a little undersized to be a power wing. Besides, that’s probably Mobley’s spot in the lineup. He’s athletic enough to be just a F. The question with him is growing his game as he fills out.Don’t forget Okoro who is a 3/4 as well. I like Lauri as a player but this is an ass awful deal for Cleveland and Markkanen’s a terrible fit for the roster. Don’t see how this is an improvement for him over Chicago
There's something about your posts sometimes that makes me feel like you're disagreeing with me even though I'm not sure what it is we're disagreeing on lol.I don’t think he’s caring much about roster construction at this point only looking to accumulate talent. He has plenty of future moves to make before it really matters for them in the W/L column.
The Cavs should be the ones taking on other people's bad contracts, but the ones paying to get off theirs. At least if they weren't going with this "overpay mediocre young players in the hopes they become good young players" strategy.They’ve been reluctant to pay the toll on moving Love’s contract. But sooner or later they’re going to bite the bullet and give someone a #1 to take on responsibility for buying out Love.
It sounds good in theory except that they’re way over the cap line, they don’t have TPEs that cover bad deals, and they really only have Ricky Rubio for serious expiring salary. And they need him because they desperately need guards over 6’1”.The Cavs should be the ones taking on other people's bad contracts, but the ones paying to get off theirs.
You cut off the sentence where I explained why they weren't taking on other people's bad contracts.It sounds good in theory except that they’re way over the cap line, they don’t have TPEs that cover bad deals, and they really only have Ricky Rubio for serious expiring salary. And they need him because they desperately need guards over 6’1”.
I got no joke, but I just love thisI think the Cavs are asking Love to take a hefty haircut ...
Lol. Sometimes I’m simply commenting to agree with my spin on things. I don’t only respond to disagree. Easy to miscommunication these things on a message board.There's something about your posts sometimes that makes me feel like you're disagreeing with me even though I'm not sure what it is we're disagreeing on lol.
Agreeing with you. There is less than zero chance the Cavs will give up an asset to move Love.CavCore:
Name, Age, Years on Contract
Mobley/19/4 (then RFA)
Allen/23/5
Okoro/20/3 (then RFA)
Sexton/22/1 (then RFA)
Lauri/24/4
Garland/21/2 (then RFA)
Like what about this would indicate they're in such a rush to get Love off the books they'll forgo a future 1st to get there?
Yeah, I think it was quoting my post & leading with "I don't think" that had me in argument mode & wanting to vehemently disagree with whatever you were saying, until I took a step back & realized that was a foolish thought on my part for several reasons lol.Lol. Sometimes I’m simply commenting to agree with my spin on things. I don’t only respond to disagree. Easy to miscommunication these things on a message board.
Please dont tell me Mobley is Cuttino Mobleys son. That would make me feel fucking ancient.CavCore:
Name, Age, Years on Contract
Mobley/19/4 (then RFA)
Allen/23/5
Okoro/20/3 (then RFA)
Sexton/22/1 (then RFA)
Lauri/24/4
Garland/21/2 (then RFA)
Like what about this would indicate they're in such a rush to get Love off the books they'll forgo a future 1st to get there?
I think Cuttino's oldest son, Cuttino Jr. is older than Evan, but couldn't swear to that.Please dont tell me Mobley is Cuttino Mobleys son. That would make me feel fucking ancient.
Hope you weren't paying attention to any of the cornerbacks taken in the this year's NFL draft. Patrick Surtain, Joe Horn and Asante Samuel, all had kids taken in the first 47 picks.Please dont tell me Mobley is Cuttino Mobleys son. That would make me feel fucking ancient.
The Griffey's played together. Have any father/son combos been active at the same time in the NBA?Hope you weren't paying attention to any of the cornerbacks taken in the this year's NFL draft. Patrick Surtain, Joe Horn and Asante Samuel, all had kids taken in the first 47 picks.
Hell, it doesn't get much worse than Kenyon Martin. His son was drafted just 5 years after he retired.
LeBron only has to hold on for a few more years until Bronny's NBA debut.The Griffey's played together. Have any father/son combos been active at the same time in the NBA?
edit: nope.
Bronny will sign with Klutch and Rich Paul will let it be known that Bronny will sit out a year unless he winds up on LeBron’s team.Is Bron's plan to play with his son or against him? I imagine his hype will be nuts and he'll be a high draft pick. Unless lebron is a free agent, i dont see how he plays with a lottery pick Bron Jr..
I'd have to imagine LeBron will be a FA in 2024 anyway.Is Bron's plan to play with his son or against him? I imagine his hype will be nuts and he'll be a high draft pick. Unless lebron is a free agent, i dont see how he plays with a lottery pick Bron Jr..
Bronny is far from a certain lottery pick.Is Bron's plan to play with his son or against him? I imagine his hype will be nuts and he'll be a high draft pick. Unless lebron is a free agent, i dont see how he plays with a lottery pick Bron Jr..
IIRC, the oldest of the Barry sons, Scooter Barry got a training cameo look with the Celtics. He ended up kicking around in US minor leagues, and then a long run overseas.Yup, at this point it seems like LeBron will at least hold on until 2024, when Bronny is draft eligible.
He didn't play at the same time as his children but Rick Barry deserves a mention for having 3 children in the NBA (Brent, Jon, Drew), plus his father in law (Bruce Hale).
I think he may actually be skewed lower due to California sports mostly being shut down this past year. Other rankings I've seen have him around 30.Bronny is ranked 41st in his class on ESPN. Who knows what will happen, but I'd guess that a) less than 50% of kids ranked that high become first round picks (since there are only 30 of those each year, some of whom are international players), and b) he'd be ranked lower if LeBron decided to go into accounting and nobody knew who he was.
Thank you for this trip down memory lane.Some fun notes on the Wiki father-son(s) list, particularly Hardaway and Trent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players
I doubt LeBron will be in much demand for 24/25. That will be his age 40 season. Maybe he'll be enough demand for a team to burn a late first.LeBron could easily position himself to be a free agent that year & make it known he'll sign with whoever drafts his son. Would be fun.
What is Bronny’s expected height? He’s about 6’2 now, no? I think LeBron shot up right around the same time so will be interesting to see where he lands.
Gordie and Mark Howe should be up there as Mark was a legit hall of fame player.Going into his junior year (same as Bronny now), LeBron was already thought of as the best high school player in America, and the end of it he was on the cover of SI and already starting to transcend basketball.
I feel like people have been expecting Bronny to become a superstar since he was a little kid, which is insane given that superstars rarely beget superstars, in any sport. The gene pool is always strong, but regression to the mean is a pretty strong force, and superstars usually beget talented but not special players. Just being ranked 25-50 in his class is more than most superstars yield. Sucks because if his ceiling is in fact good college player/fringe pro, some people will think he is a disappointment. But who good was Jordan's kid? Or Magic's? Or Joe Montana's?
Relatedly, what is the best father/son combo in sports? Bobby and Brett Hull are both legit HOFers. I think Bobby Bonds and Archie Manning could have been HOFers if their career had played out a bit differently, but as it was, they fell short. So I'd say the Hulls.
Agreed on Bonds, but the Archie Manning story is hagiography. I was 2yo when Archie entered the league, but in a 14 year career he led the league in completions and attempts once and nothing else besides sacks and sack yards. He went to two Pro Bowls and was top-10 in passer rating four times (10, 5, 10, 8). Guy was a below average player with good marketing.Going into his junior year (same as Bronny now), LeBron was already thought of as the best high school player in America, and the end of it he was on the cover of SI and already starting to transcend basketball.
I feel like people have been expecting Bronny to become a superstar since he was a little kid, which is insane given that superstars rarely beget superstars, in any sport. The gene pool is always strong, but regression to the mean is a pretty strong force, and superstars usually beget talented but not special players. Just being ranked 25-50 in his class is more than most superstars yield. Sucks because if his ceiling is in fact good college player/fringe pro, some people will think he is a disappointment. But who good was Jordan's kid? Or Magic's? Or Joe Montana's?
Relatedly, what is the best father/son combo in sports? Bobby and Brett Hull are both legit HOFers. I think Bobby Bonds and Archie Manning could have been HOFers if their career had played out a bit differently, but as it was, they fell short. So I'd say the Hulls.
The Griffeys have a pretty good argument. Obviously Sr wasn't as good as Jr, but he was good enough to play over 2,000 games and 19 years.Relatedly, what is the best father/son combo in sports? Bobby and Brett Hull are both legit HOFers. I think Bobby Bonds and Archie Manning could have been HOFers if their career had played out a bit differently, but as it was, they fell short. So I'd say the Hulls.
Bichette kid is no bum either. My oldest took me to a game in Manchester a few years ago, and I felt old as shit watching Vlad, Bo, and Cavan Biggio out there.The Griffeys have a pretty good argument. Obviously Sr wasn't as good as Jr, but he was good enough to play over 2,000 games and 19 years.
Check back in 20 years, the Vlad Guerreros might be at the top of the list.
I specifically recall LeBron as the only sophomore listed on any of the three HS All-American Teams (he was first team) so I became fascinated about him early on. He was listed at either 6-6 or 6-7 back then depending on who posted it.What is Bronny’s expected height? He’s about 6’2 now, no? I think LeBron shot up right around the same time so will be interesting to see where he lands.