Former Raiders WR Ruggs charged in fatal crash, released from Las Vegas Raiders

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I have an Audi RS7. If you do jam the gas, the G force is ridiculous. The entire car rises. And it can get to 60 in under 3.5 seconds. And driving that car on the highway at 80-90 is like a cruising speed, no drag or noise or rattling. It's just smooth.

Fast cars are fast. If you slam the gas, you're going to fly. And die. I don't think Ruggs couldn't handle the car. I think he was drunk and very, very stupid.
I test drove drove a Porsche Taycan, the electric Porsche, and had the same experience. Zero to 60 in 2.6 seconds. And there’s no engine sound at all which was just bizarre.
 

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I have an Audi RS7. If you do jam the gas, the G force is ridiculous. The entire car rises. And it can get to 60 in under 3.5 seconds. And driving that car on the highway at 80-90 is like a cruising speed, no drag or noise or rattling. It's just smooth.

Fast cars are fast. If you slam the gas, you're going to fly. And die. I don't think Ruggs couldn't handle the car. I think he was drunk and very, very stupid.
Doesnt even need to be a fast car. I drive a 2011 Highlander I've had for 10 years. I work from home so much, it only has 120K miles on it, so I dont care about getting a new car.

Spent about 6 hours on the highway the last few days. I'd wager 75% of it was going 85-100mph. Didnt feel close to out of control, majority was just cruising the fast lane.
 

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That poor woman (and dog) trapped in an inferno. The bystanders who tried but were unable to assist her have their own trauma from this.

The force of the impact was so great it pushed the rear roofline of the RAV4 way downward. It looks more like a Prius in the photos. I'm no structural engineer, but Ruggs and his girlfriend may owe their survival to the fact that there's no engine in the front of that Corvette.
 

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That poor woman (and dog) trapped in an inferno. The bystanders who tried but were unable to assist her have their own trauma from this.

The force of the impact was so great it pushed the rear roofline of the RAV4 way downward. It looks more like a Prius in the photos. I'm no structural engineer, but Ruggs and his girlfriend may owe their survival to the fact that there's no engine in the front of that Corvette.
My thoughts as well. I can't imagine having your loved one get tortured and dying in such a brutal painful way, because of a selfish arrogant rich kid.

I sincerely hope Ruggs gets prison for life. Him being away from his daughter for the rest of his life is the minimum that can happen that would make me feel better about this entire scenario; considering he took someone's daughter away from them through his own actions.
 

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My thoughts as well. I can't imagine having your loved one get tortured and dying in such a brutal painful way, because of a selfish arrogant rich kid.

I sincerely hope Ruggs gets prison for life. Him being away from his daughter for the rest of his life is the minimum that can happen that would make me feel better about this entire scenario; considering he took someone's daughter away from them through his own actions.
That’s dark, dude. Why should his young daughter’s suffering be part of the equation? You’re all Hammurabi up in here.
 

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Nope I wish he broke his leg or ankle to the point there was zero chance he would ever play in the NFL again because we all know the criminal justice system is not equal and someone with his means has a much higher chance of a lighter sentence than average joe working at ABC corp. I'm all for him carrying on a normal life after he serves his time but not as an NFL player.
I'm not happy with the decisions I made 20yrs ago but those are in the past well before things like Uber were a thing and my small town didn't have taxis available.
That’s dark, dude. Why should his young daughter’s suffering be part of the equation? You’re all Hammurabi up in here.
Yes, let's spread the misery and ruin more lives! That will make everything better.
 

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If that one year old didn’t want to grow up without a father, maybe she should’ve been cuter and cried less so her parents were home instead of out partying!
 

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What are people's thoughts on limiting how fast a consumer automobile can go?
 

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What are people's thoughts on limiting how fast a consumer automobile can go?
Most of the auto makers have a gentleman’s agreement among them to rev limit their vehicles so that the top speed is capped at 155 mph. Some of the high-end exotics (Ferrari, Aston-Martin, etc.) are allowed to exceed that for marketing purposes, however beginning in 2022, all new cars sold in Europe must be fitted with speed limiters. In theory, the technology uses a combination of GPS and traffic-sign recognition to alert the the driver that he/she is exceeding the speed limit and essentially annoy the driver until they slow down. So far I haven’t seen any proposals like this for the US but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this in the future. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see the gear heads come up with a way to disable the electronics (they do already with the rev limiters).

This article and video help explain the European laws.

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/07/mandatory-speed-limiters-are-coming-and-theyll-be-even-worse-than-we-thought/
 

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Thanks for the info. I didn't realize Europe was starting something next year. I heard mentioned on the news about this incident potentially causing "renewed interest" but hadn't heard much otherwise and haven't researched the issue.
 

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I know it’s nuts that he would push the limits like that but he’s 22. I pushed a ‘76 Cutlass to 110 when I was 17. Young people do stupid things without realizing how stupid they really are until it’s often too late.

Regarding the defense…..could it be possible that they claim that the girl would have survived the crash if her vehicle didn’t engulf in flames, since both Ruggs and his passenger survice and point toward the car manufacturer? Would the medical people be able to determine if she did indeed survive the crash and perished due to being trapped inside the burning vehicle?
I know I'm late to the party here, but thinking back to some of your comments in the Kobe Bryant crash thread, seriously, what the fuck?

I don't understand how you come up with this ridicoulous posts and being consistent in your posting style when bad shit happens needs to be called out in the thread, because you haven't learned
 

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I know I'm late to the party here, but thinking back to some of your comments in the Kobe Bryant crash thread, seriously, what the fuck?

I don't understand how you come up with this ridicoulous posts and being consistent in your posting style when bad shit happens needs to be called out in the thread, because you haven't learned
Or if you had a worthwhile response to the questions I posed you could have simply done that as a precious poster did. Nice post otherwise.
 

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I know it’s nuts that he would push the limits like that but he’s 22. I pushed a ‘76 Cutlass to 110 when I was 17. Young people do stupid things without realizing how stupid they really are until it’s often too late.

Regarding the defense…..could it be possible that they claim that the girl would have survived the crash if her vehicle didn’t engulf in flames, since both Ruggs and his passenger survice and point toward the car manufacturer? Would the medical people be able to determine if she did indeed survive the crash and perished due to being trapped inside the burning vehicle?
Regarding the bolded, the auto manufacturers are required to meet the Federal motor vehicles safety standards (FMVSS) with respect to fuel system integrity. The testing is rather complex and outlined at the link below, but basically for new cars the fuel tank must remain integral when a stationary vehicle is impacted by a barrier traveling at 80 km/h (50 mph). There have been law suits against the automakers regarding the fuel tank locations and fires caused by collisions but they can be difficult to win if the auto meets the federal safety standards and whether or not the crash was foreseeable. Now I’m not a lawyer so take this with a grain of salt but I really can’t see how you can hold any manufacture responsible for not foreseeing another car traveling approximately 160 mph (roughly three times the speed at which it was tested) impacting the rear of their vehicle.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.301
 

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Now I’m not a lawyer so take this with a grain of salt but I really can’t see how you can hold any manufacture responsible for not foreseeing another car traveling approximately 160 mph (roughly three times the speed at which it was tested) impacting the rear of their vehicle.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.301
Foreseeability is not as narrow as you suggest. Sure, plaintiffs want it construed broadly—“It was foreseeable that some shit could happen”—and defendants narrowly—“It was not foreseeable that a person would drive this car recklessly on a Tuesday while wearing a brown shirt.” But you’re looking mostly at reasonably broad categories.

One thing I’d be asking a reconstructionist is how much force was imparted by this sports car doing 160 versus if it were, say, a semi doing 70.
 

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Foreseeability is not as narrow as you suggest. Sure, plaintiffs want it construed broadly—“It was foreseeable that some shit could happen”—and defendants narrowly—“It was not foreseeable that a person would drive this car recklessly on a Tuesday while wearing a brown shirt.” But you’re looking mostly at reasonably broad categories.

One thing I’d be asking a reconstructionist is how much force was imparted by this sports car doing 160 versus if it were, say, a semi doing 70.
Regardless, the proximate cause of the girl’s death was Ruggs driving while intoxicated, traveling at speeds far in excess of the speed limit, and crashing into her vehicle. From what I understand, he has been charged with DUI causing death, DUI causing substantial bodily harm, two counts of reckless driving resulting in death or substantial bodily harm, and possession of a gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. If his defense claims that Ruggs should somehow get off because Toyota didn’t foresee that a Rav4 could burst into flames if a mindless jerk driving sports car traveling at 156 mph would smash into its rear, well then I don’t see how that will fly.
 

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Regardless, the proximate cause of the girl’s death was Ruggs driving while intoxicated, traveling at speeds far in excess of the speed limit, and crashing into her vehicle. From what I understand, he has been charged with DUI causing death, DUI causing substantial bodily harm, two counts of reckless driving resulting in death or substantial bodily harm, and possession of a gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. If his defense claims that Ruggs should somehow get off because Toyota didn’t foresee that a Rav4 could burst into flames if a mindless jerk driving sports car traveling at 156 mph would smash into its rear, well then I don’t see how that will fly.
Agreed that wouldn’t be a valid criminal defense. In a civil case, you can have more than one proximate cause.
 

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Serious question - nothing for killing the dog?
According to this article there’s no law on the books that allows the DA to prosecute him for the death of the dog.

Animal abuse and cruelty laws in Nevada do not include a provision for animals killed in crashes.
“Unfortunately, the way the law is written in Nevada, there are no charges that we are able to bring against Mr. Ruggs specifically for his role in the death of the dog,” a statement from the Clark County District Attorney’s Office said. “We are pursuing the maximum charges available to us under the law and are taking this case very seriously. We will fight for justice for all victims involved in this tragedy.”

Animal cruelty laws in Nevada, specifically the torturing, maiming, or killing of an animal, are written only in cases of willful intent. There is no Nevada law to hold a person responsible in the event an animal died in another incident unless the act was intentional.
https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/heres-why-ex-raider-henry-ruggs-iii-is-not-charged-with-dogs-death-in-fiery-crash/
 

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Since some people added mph and cars here. Merrit parkway 140+ headed south, Rx7 vs a Porsche. It took literally a mile to slow down. I felt everything that you could in the groove of the highway but when i wanted to stop it took a mile, a literal mile, to slow down. But he was drunk, and not on 15. And on a semi city street.
 

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Serious question - nothing for killing the dog?
Maybe addressed in a civil suit under “property”? IANAL, so that’s just a guess. Makes me feel dirty just typing “property.” In a just world, Ruggs would face criminal penalties for the loss of the dog’s life, as well.
 

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Maybe addressed in a civil suit under “property”? IANAL, so that’s just a guess. Makes me feel dirty just typing “property.” In a just world, Ruggs would face criminal penalties for the loss of the dog’s life, as well.
In my state (not Nevada), and I believe in most others, animals are considered property, and emotional distress damages are not available for destruction of property. If the animal involved was, for example, a racehorse, you could likely recover for loss of earnings and such. But as much as it turns my stomach, and with the caveat that Idk Nevada law, I would guess that nothing could be recovered for the loss of a beloved pet.
 

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But is that where the blood alcohol level came from? And what is the government's right to obtain medical records? I would have guessed that they had no right.
I think they had a warrant for the blood tests, so that’s different. I imagine this is about his own injuries as further evidence of the insanity of the speed. A small part of the case, obviously, but prosecutors like to be as comprehensive as possible. Especially in a spotlight case.
 

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Some lawyers are absolute scum.

Lawyers for Henry Ruggs III wrote in a court filing that a witness said firefighters were slow to extinguish a vehicle fire sparked by a deadly crash that authorities say was caused by the former Las Vegas Raiders wide receiver.
"Firemen did not attempt to extinguish the fire at Ms. Tintor's vehicle for approximately 20 minutes at which time the entire vehicle was engulfed in flames," defense attorneys David Chesnoff and Richard Schonfeld said in a Wednesday court filing that does not identify their witness.
A county spokesman, Erik Pappa, said in a statement Thursday there were "no delays in response or in the attack on the fire."
"The captain on the scene reported that the vehicle was fully involved in fire upon arrival and the passenger compartment was not survivable for anyone inside," the statement said.
So let's blame EVERYONE besides Ruggs for the deaths. Fuck them with a rusty sword.
 

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So let's blame EVERYONE besides Ruggs for the deaths. Fuck them with a rusty sword.
I don't even know where they're getting even a tiny kernel of truth from for this defense. I've seen 2 home videos of the car already engulfed in flames with firemen nowhere near the incident. They had no chance.
 

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So let's blame EVERYONE besides Ruggs for the deaths. Fuck them with a rusty sword.
So what would you do instead? I don't see any better ideas. And no, pleading guilty is not an option, at least not yet.
 

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So what would you do instead? I don't see any better ideas. And no, pleading guilty is not an option, at least not yet.
I certainly wouldn't run around accusing people of not doing their jobs when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary.
 

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So what would you do instead? I don't see any better ideas. And no, pleading guilty is not an option, at least not yet.
The best thing this guy could do is plead guilty and not even bother going to court over this. He did it, he should be in jail. Open and shut