Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time

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I did not mind them cutting off personal messages. People would do that all day.

They could've been more tactful about it though.
 

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I turned on the TV after work and it happened to be on CSN from last night’s Patriots post game, and in the 30 seconds or so I had it on all I heard was Mazz yelling “I don’t think Betts wants to be here! They tried to pay him and he wouldn’t take the money! Sale is obviously not right! And Price and Martinez have opt outs! This could unravel quick!” Click.
 

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I turned on the TV after work and it happened to be on CSN from last night’s Patriots post game, and in the 30 seconds or so I had it on all I heard was Mazz yelling “I don’t think Betts wants to be here! They tried to pay him and he wouldn’t take the money! Sale is obviously not right! And Price and Martinez have opt outs! This could unravel quick!” Click.
When he was on TV during the playoffs postgame, he was actually pretty good — generally very positive and even some of his criticism seemed pretty fair and genuine.

It’s a shame that he’s already back to his persona, but I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

Let’s face it — even a 119-win championship season is not going to change these guys. There will be a lot of doom and gloom about how this could unravel quickly, how Dombrowski ruined the farm system, how 2018 was a fluke, etc.
 

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When he was on TV during the playoffs postgame, he was actually pretty good — generally very positive and even some of his criticism seemed pretty fair and genuine.

It’s a shame that he’s already back to his persona, but I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

Let’s face it — even a 119-win championship season is not going to change these guys. There will be a lot of doom and gloom about how this could unravel quickly, how Dombrowski ruined the farm system, how 2018 was a fluke, etc.
My apologies let me clarify. I was watching the Patriots post game on Monday night on CSN. Then after work on Tuesday I turned my TV back on and it happened to still be on CSN. That’s when I heard Mazz’s idiotic trolling on Felger & Mazz for 30 seconds before changing the channel.
 
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Someone should explain to these clowns that when you trade prospects for elite vets with short years of control (e.g. Sale) and you win the World Series in that window, that means the plan worked. Doesn't matter if some of them walk now.
 

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Despite the Pats being 6-2, despite winning 5 in a row, despite beating 3 first place teams and 2 undefeated teams, including the Chiefs, Felger proclaims that this Pats team just isn't that good compared to past years, where they have usually been a wagon.

...what? That is not the way he has behaved in any past year, at least since 2006. Every single year he spends every week bashing the team non-stop and saying that they only win because the other teams throw up on themselves and the division sucks. How many teams has he gleefully proclaimed has passed the Pats by? The Ravens? The Jets? The Broncos? Over and over again. How is what he is saying any different than what he says every year?
 

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Despite the Pats being 6-2, despite winning 5 in a row, despite beating 3 first place teams and 2 undefeated teams, including the Chiefs, Felger proclaims that this Pats team just isn't that good compared to past years, where they have usually been a wagon.
It's a common theme for a lot of people. There's a local radio host where I live who harps on this every year. And when they inevitably make it to the AFCC/SB or even win the SB, it turns to how lucky they are (because of course, they've been lucky for 18 years now) or the league itself isn't very good (which, you know, is totally New England's fault).
 

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OMG

THEY NEEDED TRICK PLAYS TO BEAT GREEN BAY. THEY COULDN’T BEAT THEM STRAIT UP MIKE. THEY ARE DOOMED.

That is the topic dejour this week for the top rated sports radio show in Boston. Such trash.
 

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Only one way to fix it... stop listening.

Being out of market and busy, I bought into their bullshit about the Red Sox and didn't follow along with the season as closely as they might have because I expected them to falter. It wasn't until the Houston Series that I really got into the team and realized how much I had missed and worse, didn't pull my kids into the excitement, while my nephews in New England followed the team game by game. Shame on me.

I might tune in for a few minutes now and again, but the show has turned into a shell of what made it enjoyable years ago.
 

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If the Patriots won 500 straight games Mazz would say ‘it’s boring, it’s bad for the sport, Pats fans should want more competition, the dumbasses, they still aren’t the ‘60s Celtics or ‘40s/‘50s Yankees, Mike’

They don’t have anything interesting to offer.

That said, honestly, I’m not sure if the Patriots in particular offer much in the way of legitimately interesting, non-hot take angles. They’re a goddamn machine that, at least implicitly, per the unappointed sports ombudsmen have overstayed their welcome as the model franchise.
 

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Only one way to fix it... stop listening.

Being out of market and busy, I bought into their bullshit about the Red Sox and didn't follow along with the season as closely as they might have because I expected them to falter. It wasn't until the Houston Series that I really got into the team and realized how much I had missed and worse, didn't pull my kids into the excitement, while my nephews in New England followed the team game by game. Shame on me.

I might tune in for a few minutes now and again, but the show has turned into a shell of what made it enjoyable years ago.
You let sports media drive your interest in a local team? Shame on you is right.
 

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You let sports media drive your interest in a local team? Shame on you is right.
Yeah Brew I'm sorry for you. That's fucking awful. F&M exist to be trolling contrarians. They ruined the greatest Red Sox season in history for you.
Yeah... a lot of it was being out of market and not having the time but there were likely a lot of games I could have caught on TV or the radio when I was local. But yeah... that's on me

Excuses excuses but it's a lot easier when you get home and can turn on NESN.
 

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"don't listen" is good advice, but if we all followed the advice of not reading or seeing shitty Boston Sports Media Personalities, this forum would barely exist.
 

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I've actually listened for awhile today since I had a quiet afternoon working on Veteran's Day. The Pats winning is great, but boy do they love when they lose. It's amazing how spoiled so many Pats fans are. They lose a game in November and it's the end of the world, F&M are more than happy to set the table and everyone comes like dogs.
 

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My dad had my car today. When I got it back from him, 98.5 was on and "big" Jim Murray's hot take today is apparently Mookie Betts is the MLB version of Peyton Manning? Didn't listen to anything after I heard that. I am glad I haven't given them any post-World Series listens.
 

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I didn’t listen and don’t generally and I’m no Murray fan at all but Betts has been pretty damn bad in the playoffs. I know it’s SSS but hitting .227 in the playoffs with a .313 OBP and .654 OPS isn’t great. I’m sure there’s a reason for it, but for a hot takez perspective that’s not even a warm take. Betts wasn’t good.
 

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He scored 13 runs in the post season and was spectacular in the field. He wasn't that bad.
 

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"Is he really a player you build your franchise around, Mike? Look, he is good, but is he that good? How many leadoff hitters are franchise players? Don't give me George Springer. Let's see if Mookie (pronounced incorrectly) can be a middle of the order bat before we get carried away here."
 

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Murray has said repeatedly on every platform he has that with the Red Sox looking to save payroll to sign some of their core, Betts would be the guy he would trade
 

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His takes are idiotic but the fact that people are taking about him keeps him employed. Tanguay has made a career out of this.
You’re right but Tanguay is considered a laughing stock, an idiot of Boston sports. And he’s always hustling for a new job because his act wears thin. I don’t think anyone wants to be the next Gary Tanguay.
 

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"Is he really a player you build your franchise around, Mike? Look, he is good, but is he that good? How many leadoff hitters are franchise players? Don't give me George Springer. Let's see if Mookie (pronounced incorrectly) can be a middle of the order bat before we get carried away here."
How does the man not know how to pronounce Moo-Key? WTF is Mah-ky?
 

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I turned the tv on and this was on from the Celtics game the night before. Murray was wearing sunglasses. I'm pretty sure they were inside in a studio but I was in Boston yesterday and at no point did I need sunglasses and this was around 5pm which is now pitch black in Boston. Did he go to the eye doctor yesterday or is there another reason?
 

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I turned the tv on and this was on from the Celtics game the night before. Murray was wearing sunglasses. I'm pretty sure they were inside in a studio but I was in Boston yesterday and at no point did I need sunglasses and this was around 5pm which is now pitch black in Boston. Did he go to the eye doctor yesterday or is there another reason?
He says that the lights are too bright in the studio and hurt his eyes.
 

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I only know because I hate follow him on twitter. While I've done well at quitting toxic sports talk radio, I have room for some improvement on twitter follows. Jim Murray, Curt Schilling, Gerry Callahan......the list is too long.
 

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I only know because I hate follow him on twitter. While I've done well at quitting toxic sports talk radio, I have room for some improvement on twitter follows. Jim Murray, Curt Schilling, Gerry Callahan......the list is too long.
Does he ever talk about what it's like to be a 1970s New York City cab driver? I assume that's why he wears a scally cap every day.
 

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I didn’t listen and don’t generally and I’m no Murray fan at all but Betts has been pretty damn bad in the playoffs. I know it’s SSS but hitting .227 in the playoffs with a .313 OBP and .654 OPS isn’t great. I’m sure there’s a reason for it, but for a hot takez perspective that’s not even a warm take. Betts wasn’t good.
It's 88 ABs. Through his first 76 ABs over his first two playoff appearances, Davis Ortiz batted .224 with a .280 OBP and a .648 OPS while offering nothing else.

This dipshit probably would've advocated moving him out of town if he was on the radio at the time.

Says a lot about the Sports Hub rather than giving the F&M spot to Rich Keefe they chased down this hot take goof in Atlanta to bring him back.
 

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This dipshit probably would've advocated moving him out of town if he was on the radio at the time.
The Red Sox were so bullish on Ortiz, he was signed to be a platoon player with Jeremy Giambi. And the expectation was that Giambi was going to be more productive.

It’s not a lie or distortion of truth to label Betts as an elite player who hasn’t hit well in the playoffs.
 

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The Red Sox were so bullish on Ortiz, he was signed to be a platoon player with Jeremy Giambi. And the expectation was that Giambi was going to be more productive.

It’s not a lie or distortion of truth to label Betts as an elite player who hasn’t hit well in the playoffs.
It's an accurate observation of 88 PAs.
But it's stick-your-tongue-in-the-light-socket stupid to draw any conclusions from it other than he's struggled in 88 PAs spread over 3 years.
 

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The Red Sox were so bullish on Ortiz, he was signed to be a platoon player with Jeremy Giambi. And the expectation was that Giambi was going to be more productive.

It’s not a lie or distortion of truth to label Betts as an elite player who hasn’t hit well in the playoffs.
Then RS assessment of Ortiz had nothing to do with his pre-signing postseason performance.

Minnesota made the post one year during Ortiz’ stay with them, 2002. He was 9 for 29, 1.063 OPS.
 

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Your first point is correct. Your second isn't. He was 8 for 29, .655 OPS
You are right. Blurry eyes.

This is what I remember about Ortiz when signed. He was viewed as (I) inconsistent, (II) underachieving (III) someone who hadn’t bought in to what the Twins were selling and (IV) likely to play second fiddle to Giambi.
 

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The juxtaposition of Big Jim, wearing sunglasses indoors so the lights in the studio don't bother him, ranting about kids these days being soft because they aren't playing high school football on Thanksgiving because it is going to be too cold.
 

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The juxtaposition of Big Jim, wearing sunglasses indoors so the lights in the studio don't bother him, ranting about kids these days being soft because they aren't playing high school football on Thanksgiving because it is going to be too cold.
I had to do a couple of errands today so I decided to pop in and listen to F&M. Lasted 39 seconds. Tough guy Murray was besides himself that Price won Comeback PotY.

“It should have been Eovaldi!”

Yup. Okay. Sweet take, Hercules. Go bring that guy to the airport, we’ll wait for you to come back.
 

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Unless one assigns Doug Marrone the Jeff Fisher role — and Bill Belichick the Sean McVay role — Blake Bortles is ridiculous. Pure Felger troll job.