Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Rocco Graziosa said:
I listened to the first 20 minutes of the show yesterday, and I agree with everything you say. However, he still added more to the program than Mazz did. Which says alot about Mazz and how terrible that show is now. It's taken everything that was bad about the Big Show and made it worse.
There was a quick moment that showed exactly why Mazz is so weak. They were talking about the Bruins Rangers series and Felger simply asked "what do you think, Tony?" Mazz said, "what are your thoughts?" Mike then said how he felt then Mazz obviously said "Yeah, Mike!"
I'm sure Mazz couldn't name 3 Rangers last week. Now he'll do a little prep work and learn 4 or 5 and give his expert opinion....which will surely be "You're right Mike!"
I did love how they totally contradicted their in season Patriots stance to compare them to the "stand pat" Bruins. Whatever fits the narrative I guess.
I guess my post sucks and missed wide left. I was trying to imply that Mazz' prep work equates to learning a name or two and simply agreeing with Felger.Dummy Hoy said:
If you like wide open hockey you will not like this series. B's-Rangers will not be Philly-Pittsburgh.MJM2344 said:
He's been saying this for the last few years, and certainly all season long, that he hates the Rangers style so he has been consistent on this. Like Esasky said, whether it's a valid complaint or not depends on your personal preference.MJM2344 said:
HomeBrew1901 said:
It's certainly a true observation, the Rangers block a ton of shots by clogging the middle.
Felger is a great interviewer. He had the guy Dupont on yesterday and milked him for quality radio for about 15 minutes. I learned a shit ton about the Rangers, got a strong opinion from Felger about them, and Dupont was put on the spot to give an opinion and allowed to spread his wings after doing so.
Thats Felger at his best IMO.
Thats Felger at his best IMO.
Rocco Graziosa said:
Can be a great interviewer is more accurate. I despised their Gammons interviews, but he's a great interview on Toucher & Rich.
Did anybody hear Mazz this week? Says Ellsbury isn't swinging with authority this season because he is trying to stay on the field and how this season isn't about numbers for him. He is just trying to save himself until he makes it to free agency. He also claimed Pedro did something similar in 2004 in regards to putting health ahead of numbers going into free agency.
shawnrbu said:
Yes...they used it as the "squeaky mazz" bit this week. It was great to hear Felger openly mock him on it.
shawnrbu said:
It's bad enough that the media has to attach a narrative to everything that happens, but it really is amazing to hear the pretzels they'll tie themselves into. Above average the last year of your contract? You were loafing up until you need to play for your next deal. Below average year? You're not trying hard because you don't want to get hurt (because apparently teams love to pay huge money for healthy mediocrity). Take too long coming back from an injury before free agency? It's all about you and you don't care about the team. Come back too soon from an injury before free agency? It's all about you and you don't care about the team.
Felger is very upset at Brady because Peter King wrote a fluff piece on him. Asking, "Hey Tom, why don't you say something about how you really feel [about Welker, etc.]?" As if that prerogative falls on Brady.
So what you're saying is that you hate fans, sports reporters and sports talk radio in general?Hendu for Kutch said:
HomeBrew1901 said:
Ya, when any of them says something stupid, sure. Honestly though, if anyone here continually flip-flopped their opinions, ignored facts and/or made shit up, and were douchy the whole time they did it, they'd get flamed - and rightfully so. Is it that crazy to hold professionals to a higher standard than message board posters?
There is a nugget of truth to what you say though, because I do hate talking to they type of fans who bitch about everything with their local teams.
Wiggy thinks Iglesias has hit well enough in Pawtucket to be called up. .200 BA, .578 ops for the record.
That thing where random people ask Wiggy questions is fucking downright creepy. You have to hear it to understand, but it just is. Very strange.
Rocco Graziosa said:
True. It started out as a series of random, odd questions and has morphed into food, body part switching or animal combinations:
"Hey Wiggy, peanut butter and jellly or peanut butter and fluff?"
"Hey Wiggy, would you rather have legs as long as fingers or fingers as long as legs?"
"Hey Wiggy, would you rather be attacked by a thousand duck-sized horses or one horse-sized duck?"
So, that guy called in to take Felger and Mazz to task. Appreciate the attempt, but he should have had more specifics.
Another caller just suggested resting Rask for Game 4 and playing "Coo-Dough-Ben" since the Bruins already have a comfortable lead.
I know people don't like Mazz's "Boston" voice that he uses to make fun of callers, but sometimes it's justified. This has been one of those time.
I know people don't like Mazz's "Boston" voice that he uses to make fun of callers, but sometimes it's justified. This has been one of those time.
Felger is probably loving it because by talking about him or taking shots at him it proves that what he says and thinks is relevant and what he is doing is working.John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
No such thing as bad press.
Uh...and would that same thing have applied to Ordway? You can't say people took shots at Ordway because he had gotten old and stale, and then say people take shots at Felger because he's relevant.
No, I think it's because his act is getting old, and that it's further made worse with the presence of Mazz, who is just horrendous. I think it was yesterday when he went off on some columnist or author trying to compare Jordan to Lebron. And when asked to give a reason, he first ranted on about how he didn't even need to give one, and then went on saying that it was all about the rings.
No, I think it's because his act is getting old, and that it's further made worse with the presence of Mazz, who is just horrendous. I think it was yesterday when he went off on some columnist or author trying to compare Jordan to Lebron. And when asked to give a reason, he first ranted on about how he didn't even need to give one, and then went on saying that it was all about the rings.
First, I don't really understand what you are trying to say here, especially with the second part. Who didn't need to give a reason as to why Lebron shouldnt' be compared to Jordan?changer591 said:
Second, I said Felger probably loves the attention because it proves that people are listening and watching him. So love him or hate him Felger probably loves that people are taking shots at him. Sure some of what he does and the show is doing is getting old, but people like Reiss and Salk aren't taking shots at him all of a sudden because they think he is vulnerable because he is far far from it right now. In Salk's case he is probably hoping to get some kind of war of words going with Felger to get a few more listeners. Not that anyone really heard his shot at Felger the first time.
Finally, if he wasn't somewhat relevant in this town Wyc Grosbeck wouldn't have just called in unexpectedly and spend 20 minutes answering questions about the team.
Ordway used to love the attention too.
Warning signs are there for Felger and 98.5, I wonder if they're paying attention.
Warning signs are there for Felger and 98.5, I wonder if they're paying attention.
Felger is just pissed that his plans to go on vacation this weekend are up in smoke since he has to work Saturday now.
Well, that lasted about 15 seconds before the radio went off. I'm not going to sit there and get trolled by Felger for 4 hours.
"Where do you think this is going? They're going to no-show Game 5, they'll wake up for Game 6 but it'll be too late, and we'll be here for Game 7 on Wednesday puking in our boots for a coin flip game that's going to overtime."
The worst part is you can tell how little he actually believes that.
"Where do you think this is going? They're going to no-show Game 5, they'll wake up for Game 6 but it'll be too late, and we'll be here for Game 7 on Wednesday puking in our boots for a coin flip game that's going to overtime."
The worst part is you can tell how little he actually believes that.
Mazz is actually being reasonable today, Felger thinks Rask tripping has something to do with his 2-8 record in closeout games. Ugh.
I read in the game thread last night that the media would be unbearable to listen to. I thought that it would be the opposite. there are a handful of occasions throughout the year where the media does a okay job calming down the masses. I thought this would be one of those times.
PSSSYYYCCCHHHH!
I just got into my car and heard Felger say that the Rask goal when he was on his ass reminded him of the Dave Roberts steal. He then proceeded to say that there would be a game seven andthe Bruins will probably win that because that's what they do.
I know that Felger loves to have a hot take, but this type of over reactive hyperbole is very hard to stomach. Felger is praying that this goes seven games. There is no real Bruins media figurehead in this town (sorry Haggs), and Felger believe he is taking the mantle. If the Bruins lose this he has something to rail against for the next several months.
Disgusting.
PSSSYYYCCCHHHH!
I just got into my car and heard Felger say that the Rask goal when he was on his ass reminded him of the Dave Roberts steal. He then proceeded to say that there would be a game seven andthe Bruins will probably win that because that's what they do.
I know that Felger loves to have a hot take, but this type of over reactive hyperbole is very hard to stomach. Felger is praying that this goes seven games. There is no real Bruins media figurehead in this town (sorry Haggs), and Felger believe he is taking the mantle. If the Bruins lose this he has something to rail against for the next several months.
Disgusting.
I have to say, while I only tuned in to catch the very end of the idiotic "OMG HOW CAN YOU NOT BE PANICKING?!", I did catch Mazz totally calling out Felger when Felger went off on Torts with the whole "groveling" bit along. That was a fun little argument with Felger totally not making any sense and Mazz being the level-headed one.
Other than that, I really hated the whole sky is falling mood. I find myself turning over to Salk and Holley, which is still pretty vanilla and boring to me at the moment, but is a good alternative to the horrendous drivel that comes from F&M.
Other than that, I really hated the whole sky is falling mood. I find myself turning over to Salk and Holley, which is still pretty vanilla and boring to me at the moment, but is a good alternative to the horrendous drivel that comes from F&M.
changer591 said:
Your last sentence is what this really boils down to. Salk and Holley are pretty reasonable in their assessments of what is going on at any given time. When the callers are reasonable and everyone in the room is on the same page, singing the same song, it's pretty boring to listen to.
Meanwhile, the mindset on Felger & Mazz is to do something, anything, to rile up the fanbase to get them to call, yell at the radio, etc. It's like professional wrestling. The reasonable fan/listener is the face. Felger (and sometimes Mazz) is the heel. And like the Iron Shiek probably didn't really hate America and the Missing Link probably wasn't from "Parts Unknown," Felger likely doesn't believe a lot of the contrarian stuff he says. But if he comes on and says, "the Bruins will be fine and win in five" and Mazz says the same thing and the callers agree, it's not the kind of radio they want to put out there.
Felger (and to some extent, Mazz) knows what buttons to push with each fan base and I think they do so deliberately. Some people, like me, actually like that and tune in for a little of that back-and-forth. Others don't and, presumably change the channel, which is completely fine and their prerogative. But let's not pretend this isn't theater, because it is.
Yesterday, Felger even got all twisted in the yarn in his own argument about Tortarella's benching of Richards because it was so ridiculous. I happened to find it entertaining, but can understand why other people turn the channel.
This isn't directed at you, changer. I just quoted you because the part about Salk and Holley being vanilla was the jumping off point for what I am trying to say.
Hah, no offense taken, everyone is entitled to their opinion and knows what they prefer. I totally understand that Felger has his schtick, which is to be the contrarian. When he is being somewhat reasonable and has some basis for his arguments about something, the conversations between him and Mazz/Beetle and/or the callers is actually pretty entertaining (to me). It's when he goes off one some ridiculous tangent like how Bruins fans have to be panicking after that one loss, or how Claude is always terrible, etc. is when I end up tuning him off.
Don't get me wrong, 98.5 is still my default station on my drive home. But as time goes on, I find myself being less tolerable of the bs that comes out of F&M's mouths. If you compare the show from when it just started to what it's like now, it's like night and day...it's becoming a caricature of itself...and switching over to Salk and Holley is easier and easier each time. They are a decent time-filler for my short commute home, but on a longer trip, they do become just background noise because they are so plain and boring sometimes.
Don't get me wrong, 98.5 is still my default station on my drive home. But as time goes on, I find myself being less tolerable of the bs that comes out of F&M's mouths. If you compare the show from when it just started to what it's like now, it's like night and day...it's becoming a caricature of itself...and switching over to Salk and Holley is easier and easier each time. They are a decent time-filler for my short commute home, but on a longer trip, they do become just background noise because they are so plain and boring sometimes.