Feats of Mookie - 2024 Angst & Awe

zenax

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I thought the whole premise was that he moved the best player in baseball history in order to finance No No Nanette.
Frazee did not sell the Red Sox until August 1, 1923, and he made further trades with the Yankees after selling Ruth.
No, No, Nanette didn't make Broadway until 1925 but was one of the most successful shows of the era.

An article people really should read, which discusses the poor relationship between Frazee and league president, Ban Johnson, WW 1, the collapse of the Red Sox in 1919 (of which Ruth had a part) was published by SABR on Frazee
 

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Frazee did not sell the Red Sox until August 1, 1923, and he made further trades with the Yankees after selling Ruth.
No, No, Nanette didn't make Broadway until 1925 but was one of the most successful shows of the era.

An article people really should read, which discusses the poor relationship between Frazee and league president, Ban Johnson, WW 1, the collapse of the Red Sox in 1919 (of which Ruth had a part) was published by SABR on Frazee
Thanks, this was an interesting and informative read.
 

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Frazee did not sell the Red Sox until August 1, 1923, and he made further trades with the Yankees after selling Ruth.
No, No, Nanette didn't make Broadway until 1925 but was one of the most successful shows of the era.

An article people really should read, which discusses the poor relationship between Frazee and league president, Ban Johnson, WW 1, the collapse of the Red Sox in 1919 (of which Ruth had a part) was published by SABR on Frazee
An article people really should read, which discusses the poor relationship between Frazee and league president, Ban Johnson, WW 1, the collapse of the Red Sox in 1919 (of which Ruth had a part) was published by SABR on Frazee
This was a fascinating, informative article. Historical context is always important. The Sox were cursed, but it was actually the Curse of Tom Yawkey. Thank you for posting the link.
 

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Frazee did not sell the Red Sox until August 1, 1923, and he made further trades with the Yankees after selling Ruth.
No, No, Nanette didn't make Broadway until 1925 but was one of the most successful shows of the era.

An article people really should read, which discusses the poor relationship between Frazee and league president, Ban Johnson, WW 1, the collapse of the Red Sox in 1919 (of which Ruth had a part) was published by SABR on Frazee
Thanks for posting this. What a great read.
 

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I wonder if the Dodgers will consider moving Mookie back to right field. He's grading out as the worst shortstop in the majors right now in Outs Above Average.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2024&endYear=2024&split=yes&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=6&roles=&viz=hide
DRS has him at 1 run above average. I know OAA is considered far superior to DRS in assessing outfielders, but I think DRS still is considered as good or better for infielders?
 

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As long as he OPS+ 159 like he's doing now, and as long as they're winning, I doubt they'll move him anywhere.
Unless the extra wear and tear from playing the infield starts suppressing the batting value. He started out off the charts great, but then went into a month and a half long slump. He's been better in the last week. He can probably finish off the year out there, but it would be in everyone's best interest to get him back in the outfield next season.
 

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Thank you both for that. I'm not sure if DRS is better than OAA for shortstops, but that's a HUGE difference. I haven't watched enough Dodgers games to know what the eye test says.
https://stathead.com/tiny/djoFX

This is where I was looking. It includes the full season fielding runs number for anyone who has any games at SS. So it's pretty misleading for IKF and Ketel Marte, so you should just use the list @simplicio posted.

OAA broadly agrees on the three DRS leaders, Arcia, Tovar, & Henderson, but puts Witt as the leader with +10 runs, where DRS only has him at +2. Adames is +8 for OAA, -1 for DRS. EDLC is +8 for OAA, -2 for DRS. Lindor is +8 for OAA, -2 for DRS. Winn is -4 for OAA, +6 for DRS. Neto is -5 for OAA, +5 for DRS.

So there's a lot of places these two measures disagree by as much or more than the 8 runs for Mookie.
 

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Anyone actually watching Mookie regularly? What does the eye test say?
If I had to guess how good he was defensively at SS based on the Yankee series last weekend, I'd say a bit below average. He made most of the plays but if he played SS for my team, I'd be nervous every time the ball went in his direction.
 

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DRS has him at 1 run above average. I know OAA is considered far superior to DRS in assessing outfielders, but I think DRS still is considered as good or better for infielders?
Is it? There's a reddit thread from last July with some damning examples of OAA completely flubbing plays made/not made by outfielders. As an example, it considers this play to be the most difficult catch of Mookie's career, with an out probability of 5%. Some of the issues raised are that it doesn't take the wall into consideration when determining catch probability, and it always assigns the responsibility of each play to a single fielder, even if that fielder was called off by somebody else.
 
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Is it? There's a reddit thread from last July with some damning examples of OAA completely flubbing plays made/not made by outfielders. As an example, it considers this play to be the most difficult catch of Mookie's career, with an out probability of 5%. Some of the issues raised are that it doesn't take the wall into consideration when determining catch probability, and it always assigns the responsibility of each play to a single fielder, even if that fielder was called off by somebody else.
If that’s the most difficult catch of his career, this system is incredibly flawed. I wonder how that even happened and why they didn’t bother correcting the probability?