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ESPN has completely ruined the "NFL Nation Blog" page.
I go there when I have exhausted my normal sites, but now it is just video after video that I don't want to and can't watch at work.
They can't even do a "blog" page right.
 

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Marciano490 said:
The url for an article on how the Saints won't trade Brees:
 
espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12557106/new-orleans-saints-coach-sean-payton-says-qb-drew-brees-traded
 
The link in the rundown says: Payton: Brees not part of Saints' makeover, which, to me, sounds like they're saying Brees won't remain with the Saints as part of their effort to remake the team.
Yup. Got me to click. I saw the headline and thought how is this not the main story? Wow.....Payton is getting rid of Brees. Click. Oh, not so much.
 

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Mike Reiss is goin' off! Takes on the Felger and Mazz, haters, and ESPN itself in one chat.
 

Mike, re Felger & Mazz: there's a flip side to that coin. Most of the sports media in town is beholden to the teams to some degree. The Red Sox literally own The Globe. So, on the one hand, those guys are guilty of making a lot of stuff up. But on the other, at least they're not paid propagandists.

Mike
(11:14 AM)

 
Peter, I think "paid propagandists" is way, way, way too extreme. The scary part of that is that if that's what "Felger & Mazz" are pushing, and people really believe it, it's just wrong. They were once in the same position as reporters covering a team or league and I would never have called them "paid propagandists" at that time. They were damn good reporters. They've crossed a line now and their role is different as entertainers, but I think it is really disingenuous of them to suggest that those covering teams are "paid propagandists", if they are indeed doing that. I would absolutely challenge them on that. It's about relationships and being fair, accountable, and professional to those you cover. That's different than propaganda and to suggest otherwise is classic WWE stuff.
 

Mike, do you think there is any chance that the league would have outlawed the ineligible/eligible plays if Peyton Manning, Sean Payton, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid, or some other offensive 'genius' had used it. That person would be celebrated as innovative, but because the league is jealous of the pats success, they try to penalize them at every turn. That is why I feel there is no way that the league does not come down very hard on the pats for deflategate, no matter what the actual facts are.

Mike
(11:18 AM)

 
No, I don't, Bill. I very much felt an anti-Patriots slant to these meetings, more from several of the teams themselves. Everyone's pretty much jealous, it's a highly competitive environment, and you see that sort of manifest itself in these settings when everyone is together. It's a dynamic like no other -- technically these 32 teams are partners, but the way they act around each other at times is middle-school level stuff.
 

Johnny [via mobile]

 
Why would you say everyone is just jealous? That's part of the problem, they aren't jealous, they are concerned about the integrity of the sport. Its highly irresponsible for you to suggest jealousy and ignore the elephant in the room. Do you think the rule change for ineligible receivers was out of spite or out of closing a loophole?

Mike
(11:30 AM)

 
If they are truly concerned about the integrity of the sport, I would say they have some much higher priorities than focusing on eligible receivers reporting as ineligible. There are hundreds of envelopes to push in a rulebook that is way, way, way, way too large. Wait until you see what Belichick comes up with in 2015. There's more where that came from; it's all within the rules.
 

Johnny [via mobile]

 
So your stance is its okay for Belichick to use loopholes in the rules and everyone else is jealous? I thought journalist were supposed to be objective.

Mike
(11:38 AM)

 
No, that is not my stance, Johnny. Every team pushes the envelope. This is called competition. But the Patriots have a target on their back because of their success and everything they do will be scrutinized more than others. That is my stance. For example, if the Patriots were piping in crowd noise like the Falcons, or illegally texting during games like the Browns, the reaction would be much more extreme. If we can't agree on that, we're not going to get far here, Johnny. Let's get with it.
 

Bill (NYC)

 
Mike, do you think there is any chance that the league would have outlawed the ineligible/eligible plays if Peyton Manning, Sean Payton, Chip Kelly, Andy Reid, or some other offensive 'genius' had used it. That person would be celebrated as innovative, but because the league is jealous of the pats success, they try to penalize them at every turn. That is why I feel there is no way that the league does not come down very hard on the pats for deflategate, no matter what the actual facts are.

Mike
(11:18 AM)

 
No, I don't, Bill. I very much felt an anti-Patriots slant to these meetings, more from several of the teams themselves. Everyone's pretty much jealous, it's a highly competitive environment, and you see that sort of manifest itself in these settings when everyone is together. It's a dynamic like no other -- technically these 32 teams are partners, but the way they act around each other at times is middle-school level stuff.
 


 
Mike, the Pats did not invent the play. Should we just start outlawing the read option or other trick plays since they are innovative? The NFL is a professional league, it's time for the league to act like it.

Mike
(11:44 AM)

 
Here's the point to me, Adam. The league just instituted a rule that allows an independent spotter to stop the game and remove a player who might be concussed. Many are pointing to the Patriots and Julian Edelman as the impetus for the change -- the league's competition committee said as much -- based on what happened in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. Fair enough. But if I'm not mistaken, Seahawks QB Russell Wilson looked eyes-glossed-over in the NFC title game against the Packers. That's the same thing. But from a public perception standpoint, it's the "Edelman Rule." That might be the classic example right there.
 

Mike
(11:44 AM)

 
Such is life on the top.
 


 
Mike - Love your work. I constantly check the website throughout the day. However you work for ESPN. That network is way more guilty of over-the-top viewpoints and unsubstantiated rumors than Feldger and Maz. ESPN invented sports reporting as entertainment.

Mike
(11:22 AM)

 
KTP, I read your whole comment but pared it down. This is fair. That doesn't change my viewpoint on the topic.
 
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/boston/chat/_/id/51688
 

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That has to be trolling, right?
 
Edit: Actually, what does the BPI say?
 

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Oh  great now the broken-ass impossible to use, constantly glitching out ESPNFC setup is on the entire site.
 

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I've seen a few mentions of this, but I'm still seeing the old page setup.
 

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Oh wow, it just changed for me and it looks terrible.  ESPN just Yahoo'ed itself.
 

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Where's the Manziel stuff? HOW DO I FIND all the Manziel stuff?!?! I'm totally freaking out.
 
Is Rick Reilly on this new page? 
 
(Just to be serious for a moment. Sorta. Did that signing pay off at all? Web stuff was sappy from what I saw and totally got dwarfed by the Bill Simmons Great Leap Forward. Reilly sucked on air too. Seemed like they only really trusted him with golf. Then he goes on Monday Night Football and gets busted asking to be credited with a Tweet scoop, right? Which wasn't even his. Steve Young gives him a mocking look. Which goes everywhere on the internet. Damn. What a bust signing. God knows how many millions they threw at him, too. In sportswriter dollars. Sportswriters don't need to be paid much. It's a dream gig.)
 

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adam42381 said:
Smart. Take a website that millions have used for years and are intimately familiar with and fuck it all up. Good job.
 
This. It's a train wreck and I don't know where to find the usual stuff/people I actually do go to read. This is precisely why I stopped going to CNNSI, when they revamped like this. Maybe this will force me to get ESPN out of my system all together. 
 

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Meh, it's a big company that changes something we're comfortable with. We'll be comfortable with it again in about 2-3 weeks time because ESPN isn't stupid.

I do like this better as it may facilitate more discussion than when an intern misspells a word on Sportscenter. Because that's lolz.
 

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The thread title is absolutely perfect.  Now it's not just pathetic for its content, it's pathetic for the web design.  That was the only redeeming quality it had left and it's gone.  The layout sucks and when I go to an article and come back, everything in the black bar (favorite sports, etc) disappears and there's nothing to click on.
 
Fuck them, I need to find something else.
 

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As web designs go, that's at least average, probably above-average, and a huge leap ahead of the shitshow that was the old site (and its separate mobile interface). There's a reason that literally everyone is migrating towards a responsive, flat, and open web design: because almost every user test anyone tries indicates that it's easier to navigate and consume content in this manner.

but d-d-d-different is baaaad bbbbaaaaaaaw


Seriously, you jokers made me just defend ESPN. Go to your rooms, all of you.
 

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It's going to take some getting used to, simply because it's different. And I don't like that. But it's clearly a vastly better design, and as soon as I get used to it (prob in like a week) it'll be fine. 
 

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I still don't understand why anyone would use that site, either the old or new version.  ESPN sucks in any format.  All of the info you'd get on there is available in several other places that suck a lot less.
 

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ESPN has always had a pretty woeful home page,(in 2008, it was the worst page on the internet) although this redesign looks ok and a lot cleaner than it was. It's still an impossible site to navigate and I always use CBS Sportsline or Yahoo when it comes to a sports web page.
 
ESPN lost me. I used the visit the site at least 10 times a day in 2002. I might check it out once a quarter now. Even finding a score is laborious and choc full of  flotsam and jetsam.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
I still don't understand why anyone would use that site, either the old or new version.  ESPN sucks in any format.  All of the info you'd get on there is available in several other places that suck a lot less.
Pleasedontmakemedefendespn....

1) Mike Reiss alone makes the ESPN Boston Patriots coverage among the best in the business.

2) Some of their fantasy advice is pretty good. I like Berry for football and I like Cockcroft for baseball.

Other than that, I almost never visit ESPN.com anymore.

Integrating 538 and Grantland content prominently is smart. If I can get that stuff without going to each website independently that could be useful.
 

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Pleasedontmakemedefendespn....

1) Mike Reiss alone makes the ESPN Boston Patriots coverage among the best in the business.

2) Some of their fantasy advice is pretty good. I like Berry for football and I like Cockcroft for baseball.

Other than that, I almost never visit ESPN.com anymore.

Integrating 538 and Grantland content prominently is smart. If I can get that stuff without going to each website independently that could be useful.
 
Ok well I'm not a Pats fan so I don't follow Reiss, so I'll give you a pass on that one.  Fantasy crap is all over the place and ESPN is no better than the hundreds of other sites.  Honestly the whole conglomerate is so terrible I don't want to give them the ratings or traffic.  Unless, of course, I want to read about LeBron, Kobe or Jeter.
 

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Blacken said:
As web designs go, that's at least average, probably above-average, and a huge leap ahead of the shitshow that was the old site (and its separate mobile interface). There's a reason that literally everyone is migrating towards a responsive, flat, and open web design: because almost every user test anyone tries indicates that it's easier to navigate and consume content in this manner.

but d-d-d-different is baaaad bbbbaaaaaaaw


Seriously, you jokers made me just defend ESPN. Go to your rooms, all of you.
I don't care about the look, but ESPN FC has had this setup for months and it never fucking works correctly.
Example- Right now on the homepage if you have firefox the live scores frame is too small and only shows the top team of each matchup.
On ESPNFC on mobile the right frame almost never fits to the screen correctly causing you to have to scroll right to left to read every sentence
 

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Cellar-Door said:
I don't care about the look, but ESPN FC has had this setup for months and it never fucking works correctly.
Example- Right now on the homepage if you have firefox the live scores frame is too small and only shows the top team of each matchup.
On ESPNFC on mobile the right frame almost never fits to the screen correctly causing you to have to scroll right to left to read every sentence
 
I don't have the score issue on firefox with the scores using Windows. So far its a pretty good improvement IMO.
 

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I have ESPNBoston as my direct link.  When I scroll over the particular team, the new setup no longer drops down a menu of the stories. And when i click on the team, I'm no longer in ESPNBoston; iI have to go back a page to get the local teams' tabs. It will decrease the number of times I open the site. But ESPN does not care about my demographic.
 

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LeBron is the number 2 athlete of the last 20 years...And I'm done
 

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Tyrone Biggums said:
LeBron is the number 2 athlete of the last 20 years...And I'm done
 
Out of curiosity, where would you rank him? He's dominated the sports scene for the last 12-13 years. I think Jordan at #1 is probably more controversial than James at #2, if we're truly talking about a window of the last 20 years.