The biggest upset of the tournament so far is that he didn't throw a cheap shot on the last foulDon’t ever change, Grayson Allen. I want to remember you just like that.
Oopsies...Duke is a stone cold lock for today. No chance they lose.
WordDon’t ever change, Grayson Allen. I want to remember you just like that.
I mean yes, but his shot at end of regulation was thisclose to falling through. Yikes.Word
The bigs were going to work, but he took it upon himself to decide the game and he did.
Amen!Duke elimination day. Always fun.
Quoted for truthThe biggest upset of the tournament so far is that he didn't throw a cheap shot on the last foul
Yes, it was. And it was the only call that went Kansas' wayIt was a great game but that blocking call on Carter Jr. was critical.
There was also Duke-Kentucky II in 1998 where Will Avery missed a running 30 footer at the horn that sealed Kentucky's 86-84 win and the 02 Regional Final against Indiana where Jason Williams missed the free throw of a potential 4-point play that would have tied the game w/four seconds or so left and Carlos Boozer missed the tip-in on the rebound.It would be interesting to look at all Duke buzzer beater scenario situations in the tournament and see what they did. I don’t really like Duke but they are kind of like the Patriots in that they have a really big post season body of work that makes for interesting stats.
If you define a buzzer beater possession as having the ball with the shot clock off with a chance to win the game, so down 1, 2, or tied, I can think of several. Laettner against Connecticut, Laettner against Kentucky, he converted. I think also against UNLV kind of. He got a rebound with the shot clock off and was fouled. Then Langdon against Connecticut did not get a shot off. Redick against Connecticut a few years later got stripped. I think Henderson scored very late against Belmont. Allen today missed.
There must be a few others.
Most of the examples you are citing are truly last-second issues, where the team has to take a rushed shot or draw up a play for a few seconds.It would be interesting to look at all Duke buzzer beater scenario situations in the tournament and see what they did. I don’t really like Duke but they are kind of like the Patriots in that they have a really big post season body of work that makes for interesting stats.
If you define a buzzer beater possession as having the ball with the shot clock off with a chance to win the game, so down 1, 2, or tied, I can think of several. Laettner against Connecticut, Laettner against Kentucky, he converted. I think also against UNLV kind of. He got a rebound with the shot clock off and was fouled. Then Langdon against Connecticut did not get a shot off. Redick against Connecticut a few years later got stripped. I think Henderson scored very late against Belmont. Allen today missed.
There must be a few others.
Especially the latter two which on a given night there is no reason for not doing well...and some of the blame for both of them was coach K's zone/matchup zone/sagging man-to-man....Whatever the hell it was there were (a) open shots available and (b) left Duke in terrible rebounding position.Congrats to KU. They deserved to win. Duke wasn't good enough shooting the 3, defending the 3, or rebounding to earn the win. Experience won out.
Both had been mostly a strength for Duke all year. Picked a bad time to not defend the 3 well.Especially the latter two which on a given night there is no reason for not doing well...and some of the blame for both of them was coach K's zone/matchup zone/sagging man-to-man....Whatever the hell it was there were (a) open shots available and (b) left Duke in terrible rebounding position.
I was also referring to him taking a lot of shots in OT.I mean yes, but his shot at end of regulation was thisclose to falling through. Yikes.
Grayson gonna Grayson.I was also referring to him taking a lot of shots in OT.
By "NBA" you mean Summer League?I can’t wait till he tries his crap in the NBA among grown up men.
He seems to be regarded as a borderline #1 pick currently, I saw him at #25 and #32 in two different listings. I was surprised too.By "NBA" you mean Summer League?
Kwame Brown and Anthony Bennett were regarded as first overall picks . . .He seems to be regarded as a borderline #1 pick currently, I saw him at #25 and #32 in two different listings. I was surprised too.
So was the aforementioned William Avery (14th overall)...now there's a guy whose pro career ended before it started- in the NCAA Finals vs UConn.Kwame Brown and Anthony Bennett were regarded as first overall picks . . .
Hopefully Pagliuca isn't choosing the draft picks, although I can't fault him for the Tatum pick whatsoever.
I'd say that is Allen's range although I'd probably go a bit lower simply because he doesn't have the athleticism to have a high ceiling. I'm thinking 28-34. He's an older skill player entering the league and is already a better talent than many of the end of bench guards right now getting regular rotation run in the league. If Patrick McCaw can get minutes on the Warriors even when their entire lineup isn't on the shelf there is a spot on someones second unit in the league for Grayson Allen and he'll be cheap for 4 years.He seems to be regarded as a borderline #1 pick currently, I saw him at #25 and #32 in two different listings. I was surprised too.
Yep. Really there's just no room for error to make it to 11 straight. They've had no slip ups. It's amazing. He's the greatest coach in the world but he still has kids playing for him. And you'd think over that span of time - 44 tournament games (11 years, 4 wins to get to the final four = 44 wins) - many of them against really good teams, that they'd slip up once. They simply haven't. It's amazing.11 straight final fours. Eleven. Straight. Say what you will about Women's college basketball (the final four, after all, is all #1 seeds), but going to 11 consecutive final 4s in a 64 team tournament Era is still awe inspiring.
Also awe inspiring... UCONN has faced and beaten two of the three other finalists this year (Notre Dame and Louisville). The team they haven't faced is Mississippi State... who broke the winning streak last year in the final four.
He's an inefficient volume scorer as a senior at the college level, how do you think that projects on an NBA roster?I'd say that is Allen's range although I'd probably go a bit lower simply because he doesn't have the athleticism to have a high ceiling. I'm thinking 28-34. He's an older skill player entering the league and is already a better talent than many of the end of bench guards right now getting regular rotation run in the league. If Patrick McCaw can get minutes on the Warriors even when their entire lineup isn't on the shelf there is a spot on someones second unit in the league for Grayson Allen and he'll be cheap for 4 years.
For one, that wouldn't be his role in the NBA. I get how polarizing a figure he is but I am eliminating the emotion and focusing on his skillset. Allen was much more than just a volume scorer at Duke. He was second on the team in assists, led them in steals, often initiated their offense, and was their highest energy player on the floor. At the next level he isn't going to be a great defender but does have the size to matchup and should be a solid positional team defender, he'll bring energy to a second unit and be a catch-and-shoot spotup guy.He's an inefficient volume scorer as a senior at the college level, how do you think that projects on an NBA roster?
This is absolutely right. If Shane Larkin and Abdel Nader can play regular minutes in the NBA for a good team, there are 3 minutes a night off the bench for Grayson Allen on some team somewhere.For one, that wouldn't be his role in the NBA. I get how polarizing a figure he is but I am eliminating the emotion and focusing on his skillset. Allen was much more than just a volume scorer at Duke. He was second on the team in assists, led them in steals, often initiated their offense, and was their highest energy player on the floor. At the next level he isn't going to be a great defender but does have the size to matchup and should be a solid positional team defender, he'll bring energy to a second unit and be a catch-and-shoot spotup guy.
Like all role players entering the league, where he ends up will determine his fate. He'll play off great players much better than he will crappy players so the Nets, Hawks, Kings, etc would represent a death knell to him but those teams should be looking at higher upside guys anyway. I can see him in Portland or Golden St late 1st round or landing in Toronto or Philly early 2nd. Looking more specifically at the order he'd be a great fit in Philly with one of their picks in the late 30's if he's still around that late.
You're a better man than I am HRB. I hope he gets kicked in the nuts in the Summer League if that isn't too much to ask. Also I'd like to ask Donovan Mitchell to take one night next season to re-enact slapping Allen in the face. Once those two things happen I'm OK with allowing him to settle into a 12 minute a night guy on a team I never have to watch (say Portland or the Clippers.)For one, that wouldn't be his role in the NBA. I get how polarizing a figure he is but I am eliminating the emotion and focusing on his skillset. Allen was much more than just a volume scorer at Duke. He was second on the team in assists, led them in steals, often initiated their offense, and was their highest energy player on the floor. At the next level he isn't going to be a great defender but does have the size to matchup and should be a solid positional team defender, he'll bring energy to a second unit and be a catch-and-shoot spotup guy.
Like all role players entering the league, where he ends up will determine his fate. He'll play off great players much better than he will crappy players so the Nets, Hawks, Kings, etc would represent a death knell to him but those teams should be looking at higher upside guys anyway. I can see him in Portland or Golden St late 1st round or landing in Toronto or Philly early 2nd. Looking more specifically at the order he'd be a great fit in Philly with one of their picks in the late 30's if he's still around that late.