#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Doesn't hurt to have Lupica on board in today's Daily News column:
"I hope (Brady) wins...
Now the court will have to decide if Goodell, even exercising all the power he won in collective bargaining, abused it in the Brady case, trampled due process in the process, and set down an unprecedented penalty for the crime
Ted Wells says, well, Brady may or may not have committed. As people lose their minds here over a cell phone that doesn't matter and never did."
The Judge may not read the Daily News, but most of the people in the courthouse probably do.
"I hope (Brady) wins...
Now the court will have to decide if Goodell, even exercising all the power he won in collective bargaining, abused it in the Brady case, trampled due process in the process, and set down an unprecedented penalty for the crime
Ted Wells says, well, Brady may or may not have committed. As people lose their minds here over a cell phone that doesn't matter and never did."
The Judge may not read the Daily News, but most of the people in the courthouse probably do.
RedOctober3829 said:
Florio picked up on this and continued to hammer Goodell/the NFL/Wells. He outlined the seven different ways the Ballghazi "investigation" came up short, each in a paragraph that started with "Inconclusive" including this gem:
and ending with this:
He even seems to have converted some of the trolls in the comments section. Hope he keeps this up.
So, when this thing is settled prior to the hearing, with the NFL conceding no suspension, no admission of guilt, and just a fine - be prepared for the unsatisfactory PR to follow via press leaks:
NFL will claim they were right all along, but gave in to end the conflict in the "best interests of the game"
NFL will claim the Wells Report was valid
Kensil will not be disciplined and the leaks from the NFL will never be raised by the press again
NFL will claim legal maneuvering on the part of the NFLPA, and state that was why they conceded an after-the-fact settlement- i.e., it was all about the lawyers (edit: Phil Kessel and his law partner, Jeffrey Kessler) and not the facts
"No admission of guilt" will be broadcast by the NFL as a "wink-wink" concession
NFL will claim the Kraft's concession was, in and of itself, a clear indicator of culpability
No discipline will be brought against the Colts, or any official tied to the NFL
The Patriots will still lose their draft picks, will still lose in the world of public opinion, and Brady's legacy will remain tainted despite the clear odds that he never did anything wrong (he did, if you recall, have his cellphone destroyed - a clear admission of guilt, regardless of the settlement)
Just be prepared.
In my dreams, Mr. Kraft becomes the titular head of the NFLPA before renegotiation begins in 2020.
NFL will claim they were right all along, but gave in to end the conflict in the "best interests of the game"
NFL will claim the Wells Report was valid
Kensil will not be disciplined and the leaks from the NFL will never be raised by the press again
NFL will claim legal maneuvering on the part of the NFLPA, and state that was why they conceded an after-the-fact settlement- i.e., it was all about the lawyers (edit: Phil Kessel and his law partner, Jeffrey Kessler) and not the facts
"No admission of guilt" will be broadcast by the NFL as a "wink-wink" concession
NFL will claim the Kraft's concession was, in and of itself, a clear indicator of culpability
No discipline will be brought against the Colts, or any official tied to the NFL
The Patriots will still lose their draft picks, will still lose in the world of public opinion, and Brady's legacy will remain tainted despite the clear odds that he never did anything wrong (he did, if you recall, have his cellphone destroyed - a clear admission of guilt, regardless of the settlement)
Just be prepared.
In my dreams, Mr. Kraft becomes the titular head of the NFLPA before renegotiation begins in 2020.
Kessler, the NFLPA's attorney is named Kessler.
Not Kessel. Although the idea of Phil Kessel negotiating a settlement does make me giggle.
"We've reached agreement."
"What did you get?"
"A ham sandwich."
"What!? Jesus fuck.. Well.. Fuck... This is what I get for hiring Phil Kessel, I guess... Where's the ham sandwich?"
*brushes crumbs off ill fitting JCPenney suit*
"I ate it."
"...goddamnit."
Not Kessel. Although the idea of Phil Kessel negotiating a settlement does make me giggle.
"We've reached agreement."
"What did you get?"
"A ham sandwich."
"What!? Jesus fuck.. Well.. Fuck... This is what I get for hiring Phil Kessel, I guess... Where's the ham sandwich?"
*brushes crumbs off ill fitting JCPenney suit*
"I ate it."
"...goddamnit."
Not sure where else to post this so sorry for the minor derail. When Goodell upheld the suspension I lost my bet with Mentaldisabldlst, but he must be on vacation or something. Hasn't posted in a while and hasn't responded to PM. He wanted my donation to go to AnkleStigmata's kids or something to that effect. If someone could PM me the info on how to go about doing that I would be grateful.
It takes a fair bit of cynicism to suggest this, but it's where I'm at... is it possible we are nearing the tipping point where more and more "news" outlets will recognize that that there's not much juice left to squeeze out of the "Brady did it" story and that there's potentially a new 4-6 month story in "what the hell is going on in that NFL office?"
There's already been 2 big news cycles surrounding Brady's suspension and the upholding of his suspension. If you were a "news" organization do you want a third bite out of the ever-rotting Brady suspension story or do you want to start switching gears into the whole, "hey, maybe this Goodell guy's got to go" story?
There's already been 2 big news cycles surrounding Brady's suspension and the upholding of his suspension. If you were a "news" organization do you want a third bite out of the ever-rotting Brady suspension story or do you want to start switching gears into the whole, "hey, maybe this Goodell guy's got to go" story?
No, because ESPN is the straw that stirs the sports news drink, and they have no interest in biting the hand that feeds.
Even if every other news org, from CNN to the NY Times, came out and said "this is baloney", if ESPN does not, it barely matters on a national scale.
Even if every other news org, from CNN to the NY Times, came out and said "this is baloney", if ESPN does not, it barely matters on a national scale.
The fact that I'm unable to find this as a meme to post on various social media, is frustrating to me.garzooma said:
With everything we know about the NFL front office, It would stun, literally stun me unconscious, if Goodell was being presented with media analysis/trends reports that have even a passing relationship with the truth. Until things became totally untracked in the past year, it was all dollars and daisies, and all the directors/officers have a TON staked in keeping the whole system propped up. As long as the money rolled in, nobody cared.naclone said:
This.drleather2001 said:
On "The Sports Reporters" this AM, DFG was the lead story and the focus was "the cell-phone" and the poor optics and Brady did "something". I don't expect John Saunders to get into a controversial area, but what was somewhat interesting is that Albom, Iosola and Gutierez, all independent reporters, had no mention on the e-mails showing the NFL disingenuous efforts on the leaks and it had no interest in clearing up the false info. My take this was more an anti-Brady segment, and that he should take his "2". on move on. This on a morning when Sports Reporter regular Mike Lupica, used his Sunday column to finally go off on Goodell.
Why there was no mention of the NFL stonewall for almost 4 months on the bogus psi #s is infuriating.
The falseness of the PSI leak is news to most people. Like taping the Rams walkthrough, 2 psi is canon. The "journalists" aren't hunting down every anti-NFL Florio/Jenkins article like we are. Mort, like Ted Wells, is unimpeachable. The tide is still too strong for most to pull themselves out and say/write something insightful. Things have a turned a little thanks to Florio's tireless effort but for most the dirty Brady story is still the juicier one because everybody already knows Goodell and his crew suck.
That is literally nearly half the media contingent that believes in the Pats D and C, Florio, Jenkins, Reiss, Curran.RedOctober3829 said:
Wetzel has been pretty good too. Not necessarily pro pats but definitely shits all over Goodell and Wells.
Hey, Chad Finn - there's a Pulitzer Prize awaits the Globe's Spotlight Team in the event that they are up to really digging into this story and reporting it in depth over the next few weeks.
http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2015/08/nfl_deflategate.html
And another voice chimes in this one right around the corner from Canton
I cherry-picked the quotes, and there is some anti-Brady stuff, but the tone is clear.
The outlanders are starting to get it.
And another voice chimes in this one right around the corner from Canton
I cherry-picked the quotes, and there is some anti-Brady stuff, but the tone is clear.
The outlanders are starting to get it.
"obsessed with winning a power struggle and protecting his authority..."
Goodell as a beat cop:
Goodell as a beat cop:
This is exactly why the Biscottis of the world wanted Goodell to put this behind him. The longer this goes on, the more questions people have about the process and the point of the whole thing. All of the NFL moves here—the Mort tweet, the "deflator" text, Tom "destroying" his phone—have been designed to create maximum outrage ... yet most of it is easily explained or corrected and none of it is particularly outrageous.
Unless you risk ticking Berman off, this is one of the reasons I'd urge Brady not to settle.
Unless you risk ticking Berman off, this is one of the reasons I'd urge Brady not to settle.
You seem to be throwing out rhetorical questions and assertions about this idea as though it is clear.drbretto said:
Do you actually want an answer or do you just want to be irate? Because there are very, very good reasons for the policy. It's not clear, though, that you actually want to understand it, though, rather than just rage against the machine, and, perhaps, publish zines.
I can't speak for Bretto but I don't really want an answer but I definitely want to be irate.
Remarkable that in light of the error about Kensil not being on the NFL website anymore that at 1p on a Sunday the NFL issued a fucking correction.
The amazing thing is that the NFL can't find the time in 4 months to issue a correction on the false information it leaked about the psi of the footballs, but they respond immediately on a summer Sunday afternoon when no one is in the office, to update the world on Mike Kensil.mwonow said:
This truly is hilarious.
There is no Rev said:
I thought it was pretty clear that I don't want to actually understand it. Or more accurately, I do get it. But the logic side is at odds with the common sense side and this is the only place where I can bitch about it and someone will get what I'm sayin', ya feel me?
dcdrew10 said:
I dunno. The main takeaway I got from that is that they're more concerned with how long the report took, rather than, you know, the report being a steaming pile of dogshit.
I'm going to put this in both threads because there are some common questions, Stephanie Stradley has updated her blog to include a new section dealing with settlement issues only. It is a separate header from her original deflategate blog post.
http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-faqs-settlement/
http://www.stradleylaw.com/deflategate-legal-faqs-settlement/
The business press is starting to pick up the story of the email exchange between Glaser and Pash. Sports business writers for Business Insider and Forbes both have posts with limited analysis.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2015/08/01/emails-show-the-nfl-failed-to-stop-misinformation-as-part-of-deflategate/
http://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-nfl-correct-psi-report-2015-8
http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2015/08/01/emails-show-the-nfl-failed-to-stop-misinformation-as-part-of-deflategate/
http://www.businessinsider.com/patriots-nfl-correct-psi-report-2015-8
. For Goodell to lose King, though, says a lot about how far off track the Commish & Co. Have stayed.Peak Oil Can Boyd said:
Peak Oil Can Boyd said:
The "getting it" was in reference to the teams know that this whole thing was less about justice and "integrity of the game" and more about optics for the NFL front office and are willing to admit it to a national reporter. That's obvious to most people who are pro-Patriots, but nice to hear other teams acknowledge it.
I also read it as a criticism of how the league handled the Wells investigation, just giving Wells carte blanche to take his time (which in my mind was done so Wells could find a way to come to the conclusion that fit the NFL narrative) and the NFL's money, which is where some of the criticism is going to come out. The first criticism from the media was asking why the NFL spent $5 million and 15 weeks to come up with a report that has more holes than a back country road sign. The more it drags the more people are questioning the NFL.
Shamus74 said:
It's tremendous that hot sportz takes are finally taking a backseat to actual, real-life facts being reported (and misinformation being refuted) by non-sports media hubs. And that all the folks that started stirring the drink are getting the center stage spotlight (Mort, Pash, Kensil).
The best part is the guy in the second article writes about how Mortensen thing colors everything, but then links to an article saying the consensus is it couldn't happen naturally even though that article is from January and based upon the Mortensen 2 psi drop numbers.Trlicek's Whip said:
:smithicide:
If all of this gets more traction in mainstream media, expect the NFL to dump some other gem on Brady to make him look bad ... and of course it doesn't have to be true.
We're supposed to take Pash's word that the leaks did not come from HQ, and yet Brady's testimony under oath is not credible according to Glampers.
