So they have to give Walt Anderson's crew an unofficial break from officiating Pats games, - especially at home - for a while, right? Any questionable call...
A Jim McNally TV interview with a pro-Patriots explanation of those texts - while under suspension by the Patriots - would be so money right now.Harry Hooper said:
The names of the NFL memorabilia thieves beyond Miller might be coming out soon.
Wait, Goodell suspended Koji too? The man's out of control!LesterFan said:wrong thread
Patriots announce Dom Grady will start in place of suspended Tom Brady for the first 4 games of the season.
Remagellan said:I don't hate Andrew Luck, but if he blows out his knee in the first quarter of the Colts opener I will not shed a tear over it.
(Make it happen witches of Salem!)
Deathofthebambino said:I keep hearing these references that the punishment was harsher because of Spygate, and it's driving me bonkers. Let's say the Pats sucked in 2010, and fired BB, and let's say in 2012, the team was sold to new ownership.
Does Spygate get brought in as a factor in these penalties if one or both of those things had occurred, like they have for what, two dozen other teams in the past 8 years? If not, doesn't that mean the Pats are getting a stiffer penalty than most other teams would get because of their success and because that success has led to them having the same ownership and coaches over that period?
There is so much to hate about this, and I could go on for pages about it, but every time I hear a reference to Spygate, I think to myself "Damn, if the Pats sucked and BB had gotten fired along the way, the league wouldn't have punished them so hard," and that's really an absurd thought to have, which unfortunately is true. Everything about this is absurd, and has been since the day of that shit beating against the Colts.
You can't spell "Integrity? ROFL" without N-F-Luncannymanny said:"The league's reputation for integrity"
:rolling:
MarcSullivaFan said:Let's LITERALLY tar and feather him on opening night.*
But seriously, I wonder if he has the balls to be at Foxboro opening night.
*Comment made for satirical purposes only.
jtn46 said:A question for people older than me (I'm 36). I fondly remember watching every second of Michael Jordan's games when I was a kid despite not being a Bulls fan. The way I remember it, this was pretty common, we were all fans of our team but also of Jordan because we knew we were watching a legend in his prime. I don't recall there being the kind of assault we're seeing on Brady and see often on other athletes, but was it there and I was just too young to realize it or is this something that's grown over time? Is it even possible today for kids to have that experience with so much negativity?
I think 2 is correct. I doubt that the team as distinct from TB has any redress, but see if you can keep going on parallel tracks until you've had a chance to shred the report. See by all means if you can get Goodell's deposition. Question the son of a bitch until he's bleeding from his ears. He's an archetypical corporate type who likes nothing better than hiding behind his flacks. Flush him out.dcmissle said:1. Advised back in February to hire Williams & Connolly or guys like them. Do it if they are not aboard. You need pit bulls with IQs of 150 who actually try cases, not white collar litigators from white shoe firms in Boston.
2. Appeal but be prepared to lose.
3. Back TB 1000%. Do not attempt to persuade him to settle. Give him every resource you can, which combined with the union's resources should be more than sufficient. This is the only way you can shred this case and these sanctions -- that is not likely to happen in your case.
4. Play the long game too to topple Goodell. How fast that can happen depends sun stilly on 3 above.
Seels said:I don't understand how there's been no Aaron Rodgers fall out in this. Not that I really want there to be, but the league show's absolutely no consistency between what happens with the Pats and what happens with any other team. These punishments would not be this way if the Patriots were not a wildly successful franchise. Rodgers came out and said that they mess with the balls and no one has blinked.
Seels said:I don't understand how there's been no Aaron Rodgers fall out in this. Not that I really want there to be, but the league show's absolutely no consistency between what happens with the Pats and what happens with any other team. These punishments would not be this way if the Patriots were not a wildly successful franchise. Rodgers came out and said that they mess with the balls and no one has blinked.
Van Everyman said:So, what should Bob do?
wait, does Goodell have to come to Foxboro for their bullshit masturbatory fest? That would be fun.Ed Hillel said:
"Roger." I love that.
Sure, but if you have a QB saying they like to inflate the balls over the limit and see if it passes inspection, that at the very least is yet another indication that a) the league never gave half a shit about pressure until the Pats got involved; b) the refs often don't do their jobs properly and teams play with irregular footballs all the time. Both things should be looked at.BelichickFan said:
There was no suggestion that Rodgers or the Packers did anything after the refs checked the balls. Of course there's zero evidence the Patriots did but that's the suggestion.
rodderick said:Sure but if you have a QB saying they like to inflate the balls over the limite and see if it passes inspection, that at the very least is yet another indication that a) the league never gave half a shit about pressure until the Pats got involved; b) the refs often don't do their jobs properly and teams play with irregular football all the time. Both things should be looked at.
Strike while the hate is hot. Their articles will attract the eyes of a lot of haters (as well as Pats fans). They win. When will people catch on to the ways of the media? It's pretty simple: sex sells.lexrageorge said:The local clown car circus in the Globe is unreadable this morning. Volin blames Brady and the Pats for a coverup; CHB says it's about time for a team that plays fast and loose with the rules; and Gasper says Belichick should take the fall for Spygate, meanwhile completing misrepresenting the facts of the entire 2007 episode.
The team is taking names and will remember this down the road. Expect the globies to be put on the naughty list.lexrageorge said:The local clown car circus in the Globe is unreadable this morning. Volin blames Brady and the Pats for a coverup; CHB says it's about time for a team that plays fast and loose with the rules; and Gasper says Belichick should take the fall for Spygate, meanwhile completing misrepresenting the facts of the entire 2007 episode.
I refuse to watch.JimBoSox9 said:I know don't watch yadda yadda, but Troy Brown is the segment after next on NFLN. Troy m*****f****** Brown.
Exactly. "The NFL," especially when it has a commish who is weak, is basically going to be steered the way more owners than not want it to go. Awful lot of owners are tired of losing to the Pats. That the Pats problems have been triggered by arguably their two biggest rivals (Colts and Jets) is of course not random.troparra said:I've heard this 3 times now since last night, and Mike Greenberg just said it on Mike & Mike - "Why in the world would the NFL be out to get the Patriots?"
This to me reflects a stunning lack of understanding of the forces at play here.
And do we again have to hear from Round 2 Pick1 about how he's technically a first rounder since he's pick 32, and should be afforded such courtesies?moondog80 said:So what if they pick 15th and trade down to 30th?
What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.Rudy Pemberton said:They lose their first round pick. If they pick 15th and then trade a 2nd and 3rd for the 14th pick, for example, they'd lose the 14th pick and keep 15.
The thought of the Pats finding a tricky way out of the first round pick penalty is hilarious to me. Heads would explode on Park Avenue.uncannymanny said:What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.
Cute, but what team is going to trade for a pick that the Patriots have lost?uncannymanny said:What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:We really need a "The Media Said WHAT???" thread, as I cant even begin to wrap my head around this one:
just now on Q104.3 NYC: TB12 suspension is totally deserved and appropriate. However, indefinite suspensions without pay for JM and JJ is ridiculous. Why are these poor equipment guys being made the fall guys?? It's like firing secretaries and support staff when a big company is having problems turning a profit that quarter.
Just to be on the safe side, they should just place the team under league receivership. That'll fix our little red wagon.......uncannymanny said:What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.
uncannymanny said:What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.
Edit: assuming that's parsing a bit too true, does it follow the first round pick? Can we wink wink trade our first straight up for a 6th and future, unwritten cooperation in the reverse?
His hubris may get him into a bad spot on this one. Pats seem determined to fight, and Goodell is already on shaky ground after the Rice debacle.Average Reds said:Goodell thinks he can get away with this because, in all likelihood, he can.
Ah forgot that part of the wording this morning. Not like it matters obviously since NFLHQ can just change its mind/do whatever it wants. Whole thing is sickening. This is the first time I'm coming close to agreeing with someone hacking someone's personal communications. I wouldn't lose any sleep over RG being opened up to litigation or worse.NavaHo said:The statement from the NFL specifically says that the Patriots cannot trade or otherwise encumber the lost picks. If they trade for another first round pick, they'll lose the higher of the two picks. And they're not allowed to have dessert after supper.