So they have to give Walt Anderson's crew an unofficial break from officiating Pats games, - especially at home - for a while, right? Any questionable call...
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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A Jim McNally TV interview with a pro-Patriots explanation of those texts - while under suspension by the Patriots - would be so money right now.Harry Hooper said:
This is absolute insanity. The NFL caught teams doctoring balls and either fined 25k or sent warning letters. We get a sting operation, leading to (as of now) a 4 month multi million dollar investigation, public lynching, 1 million dollar fine, 1st and 4th round picks docked, and the GOAT QB getting suspended 4 games.
Absurd.
Absurd.
The NFL had a pre-meditated plan to remove the undisputed best-prepared kicking balls from the AFC Championship when the competition matters most, but they're all about protecting the integrity of the game!
A question for people older than me (I'm 36). I fondly remember watching every second of Michael Jordan's games when I was a kid despite not being a Bulls fan. The way I remember it, this was pretty common, we were all fans of our team but also of Jordan because we knew we were watching a legend in his prime. I don't recall there being the kind of assault we're seeing on Brady and see often on other athletes, but was it there and I was just too young to realize it or is this something that's grown over time? Is it even possible today for kids to have that experience with so much negativity?
Pretty much exactly me when I saw the news earlier.
(Also any excuse to use that gif to make myself feel better.)
I mean I can see the Ginger Hammer coming out with a 4 game suspension (excessive but knows it gets knocked down in the appeal).
Or
Fine the organization a hefty, statement making amount.
Or
Go after the draft picks.
But sweet Jiminy Cricket did he swing for the fences and go Simple Jack on us.
(Also any excuse to use that gif to make myself feel better.)
I mean I can see the Ginger Hammer coming out with a 4 game suspension (excessive but knows it gets knocked down in the appeal).
Or
Fine the organization a hefty, statement making amount.
Or
Go after the draft picks.
But sweet Jiminy Cricket did he swing for the fences and go Simple Jack on us.
I've got to say, that if the NFL thinks the crime is grave enough to warrant all this stuff, shouldn't they be talking about vacating the Super Bowl?
I obviously don't want that, but I do think it's kind of silly that the NFL didn't publically address the issue. The message the discipline send is that this is a serious violation of fair play, if so I think the league should address why the AFC Championship shouldn't have been forfeit.
I obviously don't want that, but I do think it's kind of silly that the NFL didn't publically address the issue. The message the discipline send is that this is a serious violation of fair play, if so I think the league should address why the AFC Championship shouldn't have been forfeit.
Remagellan said:
(It's been covered but I already had clicked on "MultiQuote", so: we as a community are better than this.
Deathofthebambino said:
Indeed. If anything, any punishment should be lighter due to "spygate", as they were totally f*cked over then. In that "scandal", they technically broke a rule, that others where also caught breaking, though they were not at all doing the hypothetical that the new rule was implemented to hypothetically stop (using film of opposing sidelines during the current game to gain an advantage) even though no team was ever suspected of or even thought capable of doing so, and yet they are crucified. So... because we went incredibly overboard once one them, relative to the discipline rendered to other teams as well as common sense itself, we need to go incredibly overboard on them once again, to be consistent in our hypocrisy. Ladies and gentlemen: the NFL.
I am 41 years old. For a good chunk of my life I have followed politics ardently and passionately, so I know how it is to have violent disagreements between groups of people where eash side comes with prior assumptions, talks past each other and stares incomprehensibly at one another, while rarely resolving any of the differences. I know how it is for bad, yet intuitive ideas to charm and get ahold of majorities of people. I get it. It happens all the time. But then again, often times these are complex issue with many technical facets that very few people can understand or delve into.
And yet, after all of these years, I have never encountered an issue where the truth seemed so simple and patently obvious and commonsensical to me, only to have my views be so far out of line of what the majority of the people passionately think in the other direction. It's as if I look outside my window and I see the sun in the middle of the sky, but 90 percent of the people believe it's the deep of the night. I cannot process this. I am in awe. I am flabbergasted. What is happening is unreal, it's a bad dream. What to make of this? Can I be so fallible and blinded by fan bias that I cannot see the truth? Or alternatively, how can the gobsmacking, achingly obvious truth ellude so many people?
I have no words.
And yet, after all of these years, I have never encountered an issue where the truth seemed so simple and patently obvious and commonsensical to me, only to have my views be so far out of line of what the majority of the people passionately think in the other direction. It's as if I look outside my window and I see the sun in the middle of the sky, but 90 percent of the people believe it's the deep of the night. I cannot process this. I am in awe. I am flabbergasted. What is happening is unreal, it's a bad dream. What to make of this? Can I be so fallible and blinded by fan bias that I cannot see the truth? Or alternatively, how can the gobsmacking, achingly obvious truth ellude so many people?
I have no words.
I know several of you have critiqued the Exponent data already but this is a nice, easy to read breakdown that could use a signal boost. The logical fallacy used for the logo gauge vs non logo gauge assumption is particularly horrifying. If the investigators trusted Walt Anderson's memory, everything is explained by the physics and the text messages from last freaking May don't matter.
http://drewfustin.com/deflategate/
http://drewfustin.com/deflategate/
MarcSullivaFan said:
Kraft owns the stadium, he can have the police escort him out if he shows up. Of course for Goodell's own safety he's better off staying in NY.
jtn46 said:
Maybe that's how you remember it, but Jordan was widely disliked for quite some time nationally, very similarly to LeBron now. It wasn't until he started winning multiple titles that more and more people had to concede his greatness and gradually started rooting for him, but there was a lot of general dislike early on for a bunch of years ('all he can do is dunk, he has no jumper').
I think 2 is correct. I doubt that the team as distinct from TB has any redress, but see if you can keep going on parallel tracks until you've had a chance to shred the report. See by all means if you can get Goodell's deposition. Question the son of a bitch until he's bleeding from his ears. He's an archetypical corporate type who likes nothing better than hiding behind his flacks. Flush him out.dcmissle said:
Also, no disrespect to my Boston colleagues, but by all means, go to W & C or its equivalent. This is a back alley knife fight, not a tea party. (one exception to this-I would at least consult Harry Manion if he's not already in the game.)
I don't understand how there's been no Aaron Rodgers fall out in this. Not that I really want there to be, but the league show's absolutely no consistency between what happens with the Pats and what happens with any other team. These punishments would not be this way if the Patriots were not a wildly successful franchise. Rodgers came out and said that they mess with the balls and no one has blinked.
Seels said:
There was no suggestion that Rodgers or the Packers did anything after the refs checked the balls. Of course there's zero evidence the Patriots did but that's the suggestion.
Sure, but if you have a QB saying they like to inflate the balls over the limit and see if it passes inspection, that at the very least is yet another indication that a) the league never gave half a shit about pressure until the Pats got involved; b) the refs often don't do their jobs properly and teams play with irregular footballs all the time. Both things should be looked at.BelichickFan said:
rodderick said:
Indeed. In addition to the Patriots' balls being inflated to "almost 16" for the Jets game.
The local clown car circus in the Globe is unreadable this morning. Volin blames Brady and the Pats for a coverup; CHB says it's about time for a team that plays fast and loose with the rules; and Gasper says Belichick should take the fall for Spygate, meanwhile completing misrepresenting the facts of the entire 2007 episode.
Strike while the hate is hot. Their articles will attract the eyes of a lot of haters (as well as Pats fans). They win. When will people catch on to the ways of the media? It's pretty simple: sex sells.lexrageorge said:
The team is taking names and will remember this down the road. Expect the globies to be put on the naughty list.lexrageorge said:
By suspending Brady for four games (which should make it more likely the Patriots lose) while also taking away their first round pick (which would be of a larger benefit to the Patriots than normal if they missed the playoffs due to Brady missing those games) the NFL is truly fucking with the integrity of the league.
I either want the Patriots to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl or I want them to go 4-12 (playing competitive games for the first halves of the games they lose and then making it penalty fests for the second halves with continuous illegal substitutions of ineligible receivers in the second halves on every offensive possession and in the games they win having them crush the Colts, Ravens and Jets without mercy).
We really need a "The Media Said WHAT???" thread, as I cant even begin to wrap my head around this one:
just now on Q104.3 NYC: TB12 suspension is totally deserved and appropriate. However, indefinite suspensions without pay for JM and JJ is ridiculous. Why are these poor equipment guys being made the fall guys?? It's like firing secretaries and support staff when a big company is having problems turning a profit that quarter.
just now on Q104.3 NYC: TB12 suspension is totally deserved and appropriate. However, indefinite suspensions without pay for JM and JJ is ridiculous. Why are these poor equipment guys being made the fall guys?? It's like firing secretaries and support staff when a big company is having problems turning a profit that quarter.
I know don't watch yadda yadda, but Troy Brown is the segment after next on NFLN. Troy m*****f****** Brown.
Not enough is being made of the complete and utter hypocrisy of the NFL using "the integrity of the game" as the moral high ground for lowering the boom on the Patriots. This isn't about the integrity of the game. It's a pissing match that has spiraled out of control. The Patriots are culpable, but with this latest ridiculous over the top salvo by Vincent and Goodell they have written their own death warrant. Set aside for a second whether balls were submitted under inflated or deflated. If the league was aware of this possibility heading into the game and either let the Patriots dig their own grave and thus were OK with playing the first half of the AFCCG with balls they knew were compromised, OR if they were so incompetent they let the Patriots get away with it then Mike Kensil should be fired and Walt Anderson suspended. Integrity of the game my ass.
I do believe if the penalty wasn't Draconian the pissing match would have been over. But no - these guys decided that a "we will show them" vindictive response was the best way to put the Patriots in their place. Big mistake. Because now what they've virtually ensured is that it's a certainty that it will be revealed in more detail than anyone might imagine (including I would wager some damning internal emails) that this thing was more about "getting the Patriots" than the integrity of the game. There are going to be a lot more revelations to come and it's going to expose what a farce this whole process was. That's coming folks. It's only just started. When the focus and tide shifts to this clearly being way more about "finally getting these guys" than the integrity of the game heads are going to roll.
I do believe if the penalty wasn't Draconian the pissing match would have been over. But no - these guys decided that a "we will show them" vindictive response was the best way to put the Patriots in their place. Big mistake. Because now what they've virtually ensured is that it's a certainty that it will be revealed in more detail than anyone might imagine (including I would wager some damning internal emails) that this thing was more about "getting the Patriots" than the integrity of the game. There are going to be a lot more revelations to come and it's going to expose what a farce this whole process was. That's coming folks. It's only just started. When the focus and tide shifts to this clearly being way more about "finally getting these guys" than the integrity of the game heads are going to roll.
Exactly. "The NFL," especially when it has a commish who is weak, is basically going to be steered the way more owners than not want it to go. Awful lot of owners are tired of losing to the Pats. That the Pats problems have been triggered by arguably their two biggest rivals (Colts and Jets) is of course not random.troparra said:
And do we again have to hear from Round 2 Pick1 about how he's technically a first rounder since he's pick 32, and should be afforded such courtesies?moondog80 said:
What if they trade down out of the 1st round? It specifically says "2016 first round" pick not first pick.Rudy Pemberton said:
Edit: assuming that's parsing a bit too true, does it follow the first round pick? Can we wink wink trade our first straight up for a 6th and future, unwritten cooperation in the reverse?
Cute, but what team is going to trade for a pick that the Patriots have lost?uncannymanny said:
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
To people who aren't paying attention to the details, the action against the Pats/Brady is easily justified by the narrative that is being pushed - they got caught violating a rule (tampering with the balls after the ref set them for the game) in one of the most important games of the year, they did not provide full cooperation with the investigation and they are repeat offenders.
That narrative doesn't come close to standing up under rigorous analysis, but that's not what this is about. And the NFL is counting on people losing interest by the time the case is adjudicated and their dirty little secrets are aired.
Here's a better way of thinking of it: how many here were outraged at the punishment/suspensions handed down for the faux bounty program the Saints were alleged to have run? You know, the one that was revealed to be utterly and completely false and was demonstrated to be part of a vindictive attack of the character of a Goodell critic in at least one instance. (Scott Fujita.)
Goodell thinks he can get away with this because, in all likelihood, he can.
Hopefully Kraft is learning that when you empower ignorance and incompetence, you often get suboptimal results.
Just to be on the safe side, they should just place the team under league receivership. That'll fix our little red wagon.......uncannymanny said:
uncannymanny said:
I think it's safe to assume the Patriots #1 is already off the books and untradeable.
The statement from the NFL specifically says that the Patriots cannot trade or otherwise encumber the lost picks. If they trade for another first round pick, they'll lose the higher of the two picks. And they're not allowed to have dessert after supper.
Ah forgot that part of the wording this morning. Not like it matters obviously since NFLHQ can just change its mind/do whatever it wants. Whole thing is sickening. This is the first time I'm coming close to agreeing with someone hacking someone's personal communications. I wouldn't lose any sleep over RG being opened up to litigation or worse.NavaHo said: