I try to avoid saying "us" when refering to my favorite sports teams.
But from here on out, it's Us vs. Them
But from here on out, it's Us vs. Them
#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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I want to see some players stand behind him. Twitter, Facebook, interviews, whatever. Manning, Rodgers, every fucking QB in the league.
The real goal for the Fuckers at the NFL is to force BB & Brady into earlier than planned retirement.
It is not just about the Deflategate nor the Spygate.
It is not just about the Deflategate nor the Spygate.
I'd recommend preparing yourselves for disappointment.
I'll bet Kraft abides by his earlier statement and doesn't do anything. He could probably seek arbitration, but I'll bet he doesn't.
I don't think Brady's suspension will be reduced. An arbitrator will find that the NFL has discretion in the area of penalty-setting, and where a player was deemed to have obstructed an official investigation by lying to an investigator and refusing to hand over his phone records in any form, the NFL is entitled to punish the player as it sees fit. Unless his phone was so full of incriminating evidence that he couldn't produce anything, Brady's people were INSANE not to produce a limited set of redacted and carefully-reviewed phone records. Brady either got bad advice or is guilty as sin.
I'll bet Kraft abides by his earlier statement and doesn't do anything. He could probably seek arbitration, but I'll bet he doesn't.
I don't think Brady's suspension will be reduced. An arbitrator will find that the NFL has discretion in the area of penalty-setting, and where a player was deemed to have obstructed an official investigation by lying to an investigator and refusing to hand over his phone records in any form, the NFL is entitled to punish the player as it sees fit. Unless his phone was so full of incriminating evidence that he couldn't produce anything, Brady's people were INSANE not to produce a limited set of redacted and carefully-reviewed phone records. Brady either got bad advice or is guilty as sin.
Why? I mean, anyone who thinks it'll hit the NFL in the wallet for a few Pats fans not to watch is certainly delusional, but there are those of us who understand it won't make a difference but simply don't want to be a part of it any more. I'll wait for the arbitrator's ruling, but I have no interest in watching a product where a team can suddenly be unfairly disadvantaged by a capricious and incompetent front office. Integrity of the Game, indeed.RGREELEY33 said:
Jimmy Garoppolo
Goodell clearly did not like BB's comments during his press conference regarding Spygate (he was supposedly pissed BB never groveled enough the first time) and did not like Kraft firing back at the league office.
Id have done the same thing, but they gambled the league would find nothing to stick on them and lost badly. Now Roger is going to try and end the Pats reign of excellence.
Cant take back four Super Bowls at least.
Id have done the same thing, but they gambled the league would find nothing to stick on them and lost badly. Now Roger is going to try and end the Pats reign of excellence.
Cant take back four Super Bowls at least.
If Brady's suspension goes to arbitration and he wins and the suspension is voided, can the team still be punished?
It's gonna be awesome when Kraft politically destroys Goodell for this. Kraft was this buffoons biggest most powerful supporter. Have to believe that's alllllll gone.
Any time I hear someone else call another commissioner of any sport a joke I am going to punch them in the throat and show them a picture of Goodell. This is a surreal. I figured Brady would catch 4 and then appeal. A first and a million dollars? That's fucking insane. Better off scamming pain killers to your coach or beating your wife or kids. Christ.
We've been over this. The Wells investigators did not interview him four times. Other NFL folks did before they started. But even still, once those text messages were discovered, there is no fucking way the Patriots' justification for not allowing access stands up. They didn't want to inconvenience McNally further? They wanted written questions instead? Yeah, OK.
I would be lying to myself if I said I will stop watching the NFL, but I will stop purchasing brands that heavily advertise with the NFL. And just cancelled Sunday Ticket. This is insanity.
The holes in the Wells report are enormous, so there is almost no chance that Brady will get the full 4 games, regardless of how he handled the request for his cell phone. He could still sit out Game 1, however.
The Pats punishment is absurd. I'll be anxiously awaiting Kraft's response, but I agree he has little chance of getting the team punishment reduced.
The Pats punishment is absurd. I'll be anxiously awaiting Kraft's response, but I agree he has little chance of getting the team punishment reduced.
The penalty is a joke and I really don't believe that Brady intentionally had balls lowered below the legal limit.
Somehow, I am more mad at the Patriot's organization than anyone else. It took years to win a Super Bowl after Spygate. Now this shit.
It's incompetence. I expect that from the NFL office. Not from Kraft and his team.
It is a damn shame.
Somehow, I am more mad at the Patriot's organization than anyone else. It took years to win a Super Bowl after Spygate. Now this shit.
It's incompetence. I expect that from the NFL office. Not from Kraft and his team.
It is a damn shame.
I don't like when people use the comparisons of the Rice suspension and this one. Rice knocking his wife out on an elevator is very much an off-the-field issue, while this has to with actions involving the competitive balance. Yes, Rice should have been suspended for more than two games and yes, Brady's suspension is insane, but there are a million better reasons why this suspension sucks. Saying that "Well if he hit his fiancee he would have only gotten half the suspension" is lazy and holds no real value.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Yes... Being penalized again for an infraction 8 years ago that was also blown way out of proportion is infuriating.
Revenge of the Losers indeed.
@walsha Tom Brady suspended 4 games by Troy Vincent. Troy Vincent, as NFLPA President was investigated for colluding with NFL
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818baffc/article/report-government-investigating-nflpa-employees-for-collusion
Troy Fucking Vincent Is a Turncoat:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d818baffc/article/report-government-investigating-nflpa-employees-for-collusion
Troy Fucking Vincent Is a Turncoat:
Yeah, they gave other teams a window to take a shot at them. I am, however, looking forward to the scorched earth beatings they will be laying down when they get a chance.patinorange said:
@IanLogue So the NFL decides to embarrass a player who does all the right things & carries himself the right way, but guys like Ray Rice get 2 games.
@IanLogue The priorities of this league are clearly so far out of whack that this just proves how far things have fallen under this regime. Very sad.
@IanLogue The priorities of this league are clearly so far out of whack that this just proves how far things have fallen under this regime. Very sad.
nattysez said:
Agree with this. Just don't see any way Kraft can do anything here.
Could not disagree more. There is an arbitration process established within the CBA and the NFL does not have a good track record because holding your finger in the air and guessing what the public wants is not an acceptable way to determine punishment.
I'm willing to make a friendly wager with you on this one.
Diana Moon Glampers must have been trying to stop frothing at the mouth when he gave Ted Wells his marching orders.
"Based on the extensive record developed in the investigation and detailed in the Wells report, and after full consideration of this matter by the Commissioner and the Football Operations department, we have determined that the Patriots have violated the NFL's Policy on Integrity of the Game and Enforcement of Competitive Rules, as well as the Official Playing Rules and the established guidelines for the preparation of game footballs set forth in the NFL's Game Operations Policy Manual for Member Clubs. In making this determination, we have accepted the findings contained in the comprehensive report independently prepared by Mr. Wells and his colleagues."dcmissle said:
Not all Vincent.
lexrageorge said:
Kraft must have access to all sorts of confidential CYA crap the NFL has regarding concussions and domestic abuse and god knows what else. Probably lots of emails from NFL office people with questionable remarks on all sorts of things. Those could start getting leaked.....
Kliq said:
Except that the disparity in the seriousness with which they approached the two issues is actually a huge fucking problem.
How do you know the bolded? An arbitrator could easily determine that the report did not provide sufficient evidence of any wrong doing by anyone, and determine that Brady is not required to hand over his cell phone records. Given that players nearly always get their suspensions reduced for far more serious transgressions, I think you need to provide better justification why that wouldn't happen here.nattysez said:
Kraft's only option is likely to play the PR game, and start the process that eventually leads to Goodell's dismissal.
I would love for Kraft to buy 30 minutes on ESPN and rip the report and findings and the penalties.
