#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Hendu At The Wall

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Every day I come by SoSH and I check BBtL. And we post. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I load the page and when I scan the topics, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll see the messages and this thread won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. It just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
 

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Hendu At The Wall said:
Every day I come by SoSH and I check BBtL. And we post. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I load the page and when I scan the topics, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll see the messages and this thread won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. It just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
 
What is deflated can never die.
 

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Hendu At The Wall said:
Every day I come by SoSH and I check BBtL. And we post. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I load the page and when I scan the topics, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll see the messages and this thread won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. It just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
It is almost time to gotta go see about the Patriots unleashing its wrath on Seattle tommorow!
 

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The CBS boys especially Boomer Esiason doing a job on the Patriots this morning on the NFL Network. Boomer especially blaming the Patriot attendant for the loss of air in the ball. Certainly a different take from his appearance on EEI yesterday.
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/01/30/boomer-esiason-on-dc-super-bowl-will-be-struggle-for-both-offenses/
 
He had the opposite take on T&R this week as well, but his Inside the NFL appearance jives with his performance this morning.  Shocked to find out that Boomer panders to his audience.  
 

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The assumption that volume and molecules of gas remain unchanged is also unlikely, although the change is probably more negligible.
 
How strong are the valves on a football anyways?
 

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Hendu At The Wall said:
Every day I come by SoSH and I check BBtL. And we post. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I load the page and when I scan the topics, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll see the messages and this thread won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. It just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
To carry your metaphor Chucky, you then went to Sean's apartment as Will was leaving the note, grabbed him, tossed him in your car, and dragged him to the latest demo job.
 

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Harry Hooper said:
Too bad no one asked Rog abut this:
 
 
 
Street & Smith's
FWIW, Harris is asking favorite sport, which is a curiosity but ultimately irrelevant because that's not how people consume sports. Most people have more than one favorite, of course. There are polls that ask about level of interest by sport and those are much more correlated to things like TV ratings, etc.

The NFL has a lonnnng way to fall. But it is strange that no one even asked a question about that.
 

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This "scandal" has had exactly one effect on me. Before this, I was a pretty passive football fan. Mostly because I guess I believed the hype about those obnoxious pats fans. Those Brady worshipong, Bellichick apologizing nutjobs. It's intimidating, and I wasn't sure I really wanted to be a part of that.

Myth confirmed sometime around 2005 or so when those obnoxious pats fans started calling Tom Brady the best quarterback that ever lived after just a few years in the league. Then again when spygate came out and no one could admit they were cheaters from the top down.

Then, this deflate gate thing blows the fuck up and I can't help be be interested. Mostly because (and I blame sosh for this) I can't ignore rampant bullshit in the media.

So I dug in deeper, largely due to thoughts and links in this thread, and it didn't even take that long to see the obvious truth.

They didn't cheat here. Spygate WAS bullshit. And you guys were the first group of people to recognize that Tom Brady was going to end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Pats fans were right about everything. Everything.

I'm damn proud to call myself a Patriots fan. Can't wait for the game.
 

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drbretto said:
This "scandal" has had exactly one effect on me. Before this, I was a pretty passive football fan. Mostly because I guess I believed the hype about those obnoxious pats fans. Those Brady worshipong, Bellichick apologizing nutjobs. It's intimidating, and I wasn't sure I really wanted to be a part of that.

Myth confirmed sometime around 2005 or so when those obnoxious pats fans started calling Tom Brady the best quarterback that ever lived after just a few years in the league. Then again when spygate came out and no one could admit they were cheaters from the top down.

Then, this deflate gate thing blows the fuck up and I can't help be be interested. Mostly because (and I blame sosh for this) I can't ignore rampant bullshit in the media.

So I dug in deeper, largely due to thoughts and links in this thread, and it didn't even take that long to see the obvious truth.

They didn't cheat here. Spygate WAS bullshit. And you guys were the first group of people to recognize that Tom Brady was going to end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Pats fans were right about everything. Everything.

I'm damn proud to call myself a Patriots fan. Can't wait for the game.
Welcome to the Fold. We happy few, we happy few are becoming a multitude...
 

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Devizier said:
The assumption that volume and molecules of gas remain unchanged is also unlikely, although the change is probably more negligible.
 
How strong are the valves on a football anyways?
Wilson divulged that they pressurize the footballs to 100 PSI and then depressurize to 13PSI.
This plastically deforms (stretches and shapes) the inner liner/bladder and the pleather and also provides a great leak check.
In short, the valves are reasonably secure.
There will be a leak rate from footballs, how much leaking occurs would have to be tested
 

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WOW this awesome.
And still assumes that the refs actually bothered to check the psi pre-game, which is, I think, highly unlikely given what we've seen these past 10 days or so.
 

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Hendu At The Wall said:
Every day I come by SoSH and I check BBtL. And we post. We have a few drinks, and a few laughs, and it's great. But you know what the best part of my day is? For about ten seconds, from when I load the page and when I scan the topics, 'cause I think, maybe I'll get up there and I'll see the messages and this thread won't be there. No goodbye. No see you later. No nothing. It just left. I don't know much, but I know that.
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Chad Finn rendered the Commish into bite-size filets. Lots of good lines in this piece, but here's a taste:
 
He told us he talked to the media almost daily, a particularly bold claim given that he disappeared into his ivory tower, presumably the one on the Maine coast, for weeks when the Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson disasters reached peak chaos. An occasional meetup with Peter King for chili does not count as talking to the media.
 
He suggested that commercials in which famous people, including an two-time Academy Award-winning actress, cry on cue for the cameras, signifies some sort of heartwarming progression with the league's domestic violence crisis. I suspect Goodell admires them because they can fake emotion so effectively and get paid lots of money to do so.
 
 
 
 
Edit: fixed link, sorry.
 

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I suspect Goodell DOES talk to the media almost daily. And I bet that means he talks on the phone to King and Mort and a few others.

We know he doesn't talk on the record to media more than once every two weeks at most. So why would he say something like that? There's little PR reason to do it especially given the risk of backlash. My only guess is that he let it out because he believes it is true, and that he has off the record conversations with media frequently. And he thinks that counts as talking to the media.

I was giving Goodell the benefit of the doubt about the leaks- that he wasn't the leaker and he was only guilty of not stopping his subordinates from leaking. Now I wonder if he was the one feeding the lines to Mort and King.
 

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I suspect Goodell DOES talk to the media almost daily. And I bet that means he talks on the phone to King and Mort and a few others.

We know he doesn't talk on the record to media more than once every two weeks at most. So why would he say something like that? There's little PR reason to do it especially given the risk of backlash. My only guess is that he let it out because he believes it is true, and that he has off the record conversations with media frequently. And he thinks that counts as talking to the media.

I was giving Goodell the benefit of the doubt about the leaks- that he wasn't the leaker and he was only guilty of not stopping his subordinates from leaking. Now I wonder if he was the one feeding the lines to Mort and King.
 
We know Roger will not hesitate to trample on due process and others' rights whenever his own rep is at stake.
 

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Everything is great except for the conclusion where he says every football would be in a range between 11.2 and 12.2 PSI. Why such a wide range, especially since we found out this week all NFL game footballs are made at the same Wilson plant (I think)? 
 

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Al Zarilla said:
Everything is great except for the conclusion where he says every football would be in a range between 11.2 and 12.2 PSI. Why such a wide range, especially since we found out this week all NFL game footballs are made at the same Wilson plant (I think)? 
Since you can start between 12.5 and 13.5
 

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Outside of Finn''s piece and a short recap in the LA Times, most of the stories about the press conference I've seen focus on Deflategate
 

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Yeah, it was almost a softball, because it was so bad.

Her question was actually a little different from whether the league has a conflict, even more preposterous, and actually quite anti-Patriots. Her question was, if Kraft is paying you, and you are paying Wells, how do we know Wells will be fair? I think that the answer he gave was right for the first 80 percent of it, or so, though it was inarticulate. His "somebody has to pay them" line is kind of correct, though kind of clumsy. What he really should have said is the league is there to protect the league, and all the owners, and to suggest that a guy like Wells is going to tank an investigation because indirectly the fee he charges will be paid about 3 percent by Robert Kraft is preposterous.

The part about "are you volunteering" was flippant, unnecessary, and belittling, and he should pick up the phone and tell her that personally.

I think part of where he got flummoxed was that with the Rice investigation, there were actually legitimate conflict of interest questions, given the close relationship of league officials, and especially Ravens officials, with Mueller's firm. Goddell thought she was asking "the same" question, when actually she was asking a very silly question, and he is not very good on his feet so he reacted in a poor way.
 
That isn't the point.  Maybe Nichols wasn't clear or she was trying to make a different point, but the issue of whether the NFL makes any effort to avoid the appearance of impropriety is certainly valid.  When he hired Mueller, he wasn't hiring someone to investigate Rice.  He was hiring someone to investigate how the NFL treated Rice.  That's very different.  Engaging someone with strong ties to the league is stupid, even if Mueller was totally honest and objective, because the optics are bad.
 
As for the deflated ball issue, it's not as clear as the Rice issue but again the NFL could have made more of an effort to avoid even the perception of a conflict of interest.  No one knew what happened.  It could've been incompetence by the refs (ie., a league problem), or it could've been that Brady cheated (ie., a player discipline problem) or it could've been that the whole New England organization conspired to cheat, or anything in between.  Goodell should've distanced himself from the investigation, not been in charge of selecting a high-powered lawyer with previous NFL connections to get to the bottom of it.
 
The results could've been, and probably would've been, the same.  But it would've looked a lot better.
 

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Al Zarilla said:
Right, but he didn't say that, unless that's the asterisk. 
There's no asterisk needed. He runs the math for 12.5 and it concludes at 11.2, no range. He explains that any ball properly inflated at 75 will be between 11.2 and 12.2 at 49. Properly inflated, as defined by the NFL, is 12.5-13.5 
 

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PBDWake said:
There's no asterisk needed. He runs the math for 12.5 and it concludes at 11.2, no range. He explains that any ball properly inflated at 75 will be between 11.2 and 12.2 at 49. Properly inflated, as defined by the NFL, is 12.5-13.5 
 
Just to quibble slightly, because the pressure changes by a percentage and not an absolute amount, the final range isn't simply the same 1 psi difference, and actually would be 11.2 to 12.1 psi when rounded to the nearest 10th.
 

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drbretto said:
This "scandal" has had exactly one effect on me. Before this, I was a pretty passive football fan. Mostly because I guess I believed the hype about those obnoxious pats fans. Those Brady worshipong, Bellichick apologizing nutjobs. It's intimidating, and I wasn't sure I really wanted to be a part of that.

Myth confirmed sometime around 2005 or so when those obnoxious pats fans started calling Tom Brady the best quarterback that ever lived after just a few years in the league. Then again when spygate came out and no one could admit they were cheaters from the top down.

Then, this deflate gate thing blows the fuck up and I can't help be be interested. Mostly because (and I blame sosh for this) I can't ignore rampant bullshit in the media.

So I dug in deeper, largely due to thoughts and links in this thread, and it didn't even take that long to see the obvious truth.

They didn't cheat here. Spygate WAS bullshit. And you guys were the first group of people to recognize that Tom Brady was going to end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Pats fans were right about everything. Everything.

I'm damn proud to call myself a Patriots fan. Can't wait for the game.
This post makes me feel all tingly inside
 

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All of this nonsense has just ramped my bloodlust to "criminally insane" levels for tomorrow's game. Seattle is really, really good, but I hope they run a fucking train on them tomorrow.
 

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It's true. A loss tomorrow would have sucked no matter what. But after all this, a win would just be that much fucking better.

Fuck em all.
 

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All of this nonsense has just ramped my bloodlust to "criminally insane" levels for tomorrow's game. Seattle is really, really good, but I hope they run a fucking train on them tomorrow.
From your post to God's eyeballs dude. Fuck all the haters. After all this nonsense, I want the Pats to not only win but to slaughter the Seahawks and then bask in the glow of all the misery coming from all those who were rooting against them.
 

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From your post to God's eyeballs dude. Fuck all the haters. After all this nonsense, I want the Pats to not only win but to slaughter the Seahawks and then bask in the glow of all the misery coming from all those who were rooting against them.
 
Bingo.
 
Fuck 'em all.
 

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Yeah, I want blood.

And it's not about the Seahawks even a little - hell, I love Marshawn 'New Jack' Lynch. I want destruction and devastation in this game to fuck the NLF, and to fuck the Colts, and to fuck the Ravens, and most of all to fuck the media, and especially to fuck the Boston media who jumped all over the deflate bandwagon. 
 

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They better win this game, because I need to be able to watch the video of the remarks Belichick makes to this team tonight.
 
Yes. Yes. Yes.
 
I don't mind Seattle (other than the pre-Super Bowl hate as the opponent) but I hope the Pats take out the frustrations of the past few weeks out on them.
 

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The Seahawks this year are football's version of the 2004 Cardinals, the poor bastards who just happen to be in the way of a fucking freight train.
 

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Frisbetarian said:
Yeah, I want blood.

And it's not about the Seahawks even a little - hell, I love Marshawn 'New Jack' Lynch. I want destruction and devastation in this game to fuck the NLF, and to fuck the Colts, and to fuck the Ravens, and most of all to fuck the media, and especially to fuck the Boston media who jumped all over the deflate bandwagon. 
 
This. This is pretty much 100% of the deal - you rock, Fris. Shut these lemming assholes up and secure the greatest dynasty in the history of the NFL.