#DFG: Canceling the Noise

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

BTW, I feel for you guys about this.
 
There's a not-small chunk of NFL fans who will consider this confirmation that the BB/Brady era Pats are forever tainted as cheaters.
 
I completely understand how that would bother you guys.  As hard as it might be, I would say the best course of action would be shrug that off and not care.  Haters, as the saying goes, gonna hate.
 
But I get that it still sucks.

 
I hear you, but this bullshit's been going on for 15 years, ever since the Snow Bowl. There has been a constant and shrill drumbeat to minimize or disregard the team's success over the years, and at this point it's fucking annoying as hell.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Can we make this thread about botched-vasectomy tales now?

 
Clipping's only a 15-yard penalty

 

[dcmissle]

Can we make this thread about botched-vasectomy tales now?

The four year old is by far the least demanding of the 4 and my source of unending joy. He loves the NEP and Joe Flacco,. Figure that.

BB is my god, and I am getting too old for this shit.

 

[Stitch01]

This is entirely.consistent with your thesis that Kraft would call every card in -- and with how the world works.

All I can say is fuck Tom Brady and Peyton Manning for gaining control over game balls. It. is not worth it.

I am a father of 3 teenagers and a 4 year old. Being a fan of this team is more stressful.

Well, yeah, its a thesis though.  Have no idea how to make a definitive statement about anything punishment related at this point

 

[Marciano490]

Found video of the Patriots deflating the balls. Even explains that failed 12th.

https://vine.co/v/OIeeDPhF6q5

 
This thread is a flat circle.

 

[Stitch01]

BTW, I feel for you guys about this.
 
There's a not-small chunk of NFL fans who will consider this confirmation that the BB/Brady era Pats are forever tainted as cheaters.
 
I completely understand how that would bother you guys.  As hard as it might be, I would say the best course of action would be shrug that off and not care.  Haters, as the saying goes, gonna hate.
 
But I get that it still sucks.

Every time I hear something about that I get a very small self-esteem boost as Ive identified a person that Im smarter than.

 

[OnWisc]

This thread is a flat circle.

It's like someone's memory of thread, and the memory's fading.

 

[Harry Hooper]

If the NFL suspends BB from the game, the ratings will set records. The loss of a few random butthurt Pats fans will be more than offset by those who generally could care less about the game.

Each week, the NFL trots out its stylized barbarians amid increasing controversy largely due to the fact that the league simply can no longer cover-up the horrific things its employees do from the eyes of social media. And each week people continue to tune in even when they know they are cheering broken, violent men.

If you think outrage over this tempest in a hand-pump is going to hurt the Shield, you are sorely mistaken. The storyline is actually quite compelling...

 
 
The ratings will be high, yes, but if BB is suspended and the Pats lose the game, the Kraft family will be out $$$$$$$$ as the value of the New England franchise is dented long-term due to NE fans' disaffection with the whole affair.

 

[HomeBrew1901]

Update.  Hearing now it's going to be a fine and not a suspension.
 
Again, I'm only passing on what I am hearing.  FWIW.

Wait wait wait. First you passed along the two independent sources that don't know each other heard he was being suspended.

Now these same two sources at the same time are are saying they misheard and its just a fine?

 

[ifmanis5]

I love how the Colts are totally blameless in this in all of these stories. There's so little common sense in any of the "reporting" I see and all the analysts are former players with axes to grind.

 

[rodderick]

ESPN just did their sports science thing. 2 psi reduced weight by less than weight of a dollar bill. Grip compression was improved by less than 1 mm. Lower weight actually reduced the velocity of his throws and changed accuracy by an inch. The extra weight of rain drops actually increased weight of ball by factor of 10 compared to change from psi.

 
But Mark Brunell said he'd be a Hall of Famer if he played with very slightly deflated footballs!

 

[Stitch01]

 
But Mark Brunell said he'd be a Hall of Famer if he played with very slightly deflated footballs!

About the intellect Id expect from a guy who ended his career flat broke.

 

[Marciano490]

ESPN just did their sports science thing. 2 psi reduced weight by less than weight of a dollar bill. Grip compression was improved by less than 1 mm. Lower weight actually reduced the velocity of his throws and changed accuracy by an inch. The extra weight of rain drops actually increased weight of ball by factor of 10 compared to change from psi.

 
So, it basically comes down to superstition?

 

[nothumb]

Don't love the bolt-ons. Call me old fashioned

 

[GeorgeCostanza]

So, it basically comes down to superstition?

A stupid stuperstition as Elaine would say.

 

[rodderick]

 
So, it basically comes down to superstition?

 
May very well be. Kind of like those stupid necklaces some pitchers wear.

 

[McBride11]

 
This thread is a flat circle.

Well shit its up to 140 pages on my phone. I should have gone with a Swanson pic.

 

[WayBackVazquez]

About the intellect Id expect from a guy who ended his career flat broke.

 
We need more Whataburgers!

 

[E5 Yaz]

ESPN just did their sports science thing. 2 psi reduced weight by less than weight of a dollar bill. Grip compression was improved by less than 1 mm. Lower weight actually reduced the velocity of his throws and changed accuracy by an inch. The extra weight of rain drops actually increased weight of ball by factor of 10 compared to change from psi.

 
All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie.
 
The science behind this isn't going to change the storyline for those who think this is about the Patriots cheating once again

 

[Al Zarilla]

BTW, I feel for you guys about this.
 
There's a not-small chunk of NFL fans who will consider this confirmation that the BB/Brady era Pats are forever tainted as cheaters.
 
I completely understand how that would bother you guys.  As hard as it might be, I would say the best course of action would be shrug that off and not care.  Haters, as the saying goes, gonna hate.
 
But I get that it still sucks.

I saw some Pats fans in here talking about giving up on the Pats, or the NFL or both if this allegation is true. I thought about it for about 1.0 seconds. Am I going to stop watching pro football? No. Am I going to find another team to pull for? HELL NO! Business as usual for me. BB in his infinite go for every angle to help ensure winning got caught. Disappointing, but I'd be kidding myself if I said I'd stop watching or be less than 100% Patriots. Tonight, we're all Patriots...

 

[Rovin Romine]

I've been working all day.  Did something happen?

 

[TheoShmeo]

Yep, HomeBrew.  The same two, unrelated guys said suspension and then fine. 
 
Spooky, I know.
 
If I hear anything else, I will pass it on. 

 

[SMU_Sox]

Maybe suspension was the first discussed option?
 
Edit: Just happy a fine is in order. Draft picks and suspensions seemed extremely over the top.

 

[Reverend]

I saw some Pats fans in here talking about giving up on the Pats, or the NFL or both if this allegation is true. I thought about it for about 1.0 seconds. Am I going to stop watching pro football? No. Am I going to find another team to pull for? HELL NO! Business as usual for me. BB in his infinite go for every angle to help ensure winning got caught. Disappointing, but I'd be kidding myself if I said I'd stop watching or be less than 100% Patriots. Tonight, we're all Patriots...

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

 

[djbayko]

ESPN just did their sports science thing. 2 psi reduced weight by less than weight of a dollar bill. Grip compression was improved by less than 1 mm. Lower weight actually reduced the velocity of his throws and changed accuracy by an inch. The extra weight of rain drops actually increased weight of ball by factor of 10 compared to change from psi.

 
This should be a surprise to no one who has every carried a bucket of water and a bucket of...air.  Who's saying this is about weight?

 

[Doctor G]

its possible that according to the "unwritten rules" of the NFL fraternity of coaches that questioning the integrity of the ball pressure to the refs at halftime is a bullshit move. This might be a factor in the enthusiastic ass kicking the Pats put on the Colts in the second half.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7vtWB4owdE

 
Belushi died over-inflated

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

@BenVolin Joining @PBS NewsHour with Jim Lehrer in a minute to discuss #DeflateGate

 
Volin on PBS with Jim Lehrer??? This story has now triple-twist-vaulted over the shark.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmueSIvd_2M

 

[Reverend]

I've been working all day.  Did something happen?

 
Link.

 

[rodderick]

 
This should be a surprise to no one who has every carried a bucket of water and a bucket of...air.  Who's saying this is about weight?

 
If it doesn't significantly improve grip, diminishes velocity and changes accuracy, it seems to be just a case of personal preference, comfort and superstition, not a definite competitive advantage, as has been speculated by some people. That's the point of the segment.

 

[rodderick]

its possible tha according to the "unwritten rules" of the NFL fraternity of coaches that questioning the integrity of the ball pressure to the refs at halftime is a bullshit move. This might be a factor in the enthusiastic ass kicking the Pats put on the Colts in the second half.

 
Maybe BB caught wind of it and that helps explain Brady in the game throwing bombs down the sideline with things already decided.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

I told an elevator full of partners at my firm today that the Colts needed to stop sniffing around our balls.

I have done my part for the cause.

 

[Reverend]

its possible that according to the "unwritten rules" of the NFL fraternity of coaches that questioning the integrity of the ball pressure to the refs at halftime is a bullshit move. This might be a factor in the enthusiastic ass kicking the Pats put on the Colts in the second half.

 
OnWisc has, elsewhere, pointed out that Mangini hasn't had a lot of luck finding a new gig in the NFL.
 
 

Volin on PBS with Jim Lehrer??? This story has now triple-twist-vaulted over the shark.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmueSIvd_2M

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2jid7UiFFw

 

[RedOctober3829]

Volin on PBS with Jim Lehrer??? This story has now triple-twist-vaulted over the shark.
 

It takes one blowhard to know another.

 

[djbayko]

 
If it doesn't significantly improve grip, diminishes velocity and changes accuracy, it seems to be just a case of personal preference, comfort and superstition, not a definite competitive advantage, as has been speculated by some people. That's the point of the segment.

 
I get that.  The fact that they need to even address weight is just sad.  I'm also legitimately curious if anyone has said this is about weight because I haven't heard of anything.

 

[twibnotes]

The Penske File!

"You're not Penske material"

 

[Yaz4Ever]

 
This thread is a flat circle.

I want nothing more than Vince Wilfork to literally jump on a ball during his first defensive stand and flatten it, hand it to the officials, and then smile in the direction of wherever Goodell is sitting.
 
I think Goodell is being a dick about this because Kraft made him sit outside for that game.
 

caption:  As Jane notices something in the ball boy's hand, Roger glares at Bob Kraft's climate-controlled box.  His hatred, the intensity of a thousand suns, as the cold weather causes his balls to shrink into themselves.

 

[Reverend]

 
I get that.  The fact that they need to even address weight is just sad.  I'm also legitimately curious if anyone has said this is about weight because I haven't heard of anything.

 
Christ, flat circle my ass--this is a Möbius thread.

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

 
OnWisc has, elsewhere, pointed out that Mangini hasn't had a lot of luck finding a new gig in the NFL.

To be fair, he did get another HC job after the Jets. But it was the Browns, so point taken.

 

[E5 Yaz]

 
Christ, flat circle my ass--this is a Möbius thread.

 
Designed by Escher

 

[Al Zarilla]

I've been working all day.  Did something happen?

 

[djbayko]

 
Christ, flat circle my ass--this is a Möbius thread.

 
Sorry, I don't get your inference here.  Yes, the officials are supposed to weight the ball.  That has nothing to do with what I was discussing - the impact of any weight difference due to underinflation.
 
I do agree this thread has run its course until more news comes out

 

[BoredViewer]

Same here... just got in and see 1000+ new pages.  Did a grainy video BB crawling out of an air duct and deflating balls surface?  
 
A leak about 11 under-inflated balls?  Says who?  How were these measured?  Who measured them?   Where was this recorded?  Didn't they fill them back up and use them?  Where's the proof the original balls were ever verified?  Like the guy said 30 pages ago... did some ref say, "uh... yeah I checked em.  They were fine a few hours, ago?"
 
This whole story is dumb.  I agree.  The Colts will lose at least one game by 100 points, next year.

 

[Shelterdog]

Yep, HomeBrew.  The same two, unrelated guys said suspension and then fine. 
 
Spooky, I know.
 
If I hear anything else, I will pass it on. 

 
Did they mention anything about draft picks?

 

[Yaz4Ever]

Outnumbered on Fox News today had the four women babbling about this and more than once they said that the rules called for a fine of at least $25,000 and the lose of a first round pick.  I tried to escape from this thread by putting the TV on and I'm not sure which made me dumber.

 

[Reverend]

 
Sorry, I don't get your inference here.  Yes, the officials are supposed to weight the ball.  That has nothing to do with what I was discussing - the impact of any weight difference due to underinflation.
 
I do agree this thread has run its course until more news comes out

 
The point is that the initial twitters and story that started this thing included the notion that the refs actually fucking weigh the ball which is absurd and suggests that it's all horseshit.
 
It also led to about 100, most of which are hidden, posts about people discussing the weight of the ball as though the fucking ball is actually 13 pounds.
 
So, in the spirit of asking of anyone had made claims about the weight and the impact of a weight difference, here is an artist's rendition of the fabric of a universe made up of eight-dimension Calabi-Yau spaces:
 

 

[Reverend]

Same here... just got in and see 1000+ new pages.  Did a grainy video BB crawling out of an air duct and deflating balls surface?  
 
A leak about 11 under-inflated balls?  Says who?  How were these measured?  Who measured them?   Where was this recorded?  Didn't they fill them back up and use them?  Where's the proof the original balls were ever verified?  Like the guy said 30 pages ago... did some ref say, "uh... yeah I checked em.  They were fine a few hours, ago?"
 
This whole story is dumb.  I agree.  The Colts will lose at least one game by 100 points, next year.

 
Re-check the opening post.

 

[Corsi]

According to Jay Glazer of FOX Sports, the NFL already had planned to check the footballs at halftime, based on concerns previously raised by the Colts.  It’s unclear whether the Colts noticed that the balls were deflated during the November 16 regular-season game between the two teams or whether the Ravens (as Glazer suggested) shared the information with the franchise that used to be in Baltimore.  Regardless, the pressure gauges were going to be inserted into the balls regardless of whether Jackson or any other Colts player had gotten his hands on one of the Patriots’ 12 footballs.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-nfl-planned-to-inspect-patriots-football-before-dqwell-jackson-interception/

 

[Investor 11]

Send the check $2 short.

More appropriate to convert it and make it short by £2. Roger can use it as spending money for the London games next year.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 
 
The ratings will be high, yes, but if BB is suspended and the Pats lose the game, the Kraft family will be out $$$$$$$$ as the value of the New England franchise is dented long-term due to NE fans' disaffection with the whole affair.

Well Theo's neighbor's dog has since changed his story so it sounds like suspension is off the table for now.  Stay tuned because we have reached some sort of news event horizon with Corsi where he will actually be able to generate all news Tweets before the sender even types them.
 
As regards your point, this "story" has dominated the news cycle going on three days and even if BB were suspended and the Pats lost the game, and Kraft has drop-cam footage of Goodell watching the elevator video 24 hours after, it still amounts to a boon for the league.    
 
This is the thing with the NFL - good news is bad news and its an absolute.   The brand hasn't suffered one iota be it from murders, suicide, domestic violence, felonies, racism, homophobia, hazing, the blatant disregard for the well-being of those who provide the on-the-field content.  Hell, just about every one of those things happened within the last two years and people still watch in massive numbers, networks pay a premium for the eyeballs and countless hours are spent by the media/analysts/fans on the minutiae of game-plans, match-ups, fantasy line-ups, the crimes committed by NFL employees, social media authored by and focused on the players and even fake Facebook posts on NFL personalities.  
 
People are fooling themselves if they think that anything short of the NFL changing its name to ISIS (and they could pull this off if Goodell changed his first name to Mallory), burning American flags on the field before each event and then changing the "sport" from football to interpretative dance will dent the brand.