#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Yes. Read the thread.Kilgore A. Trout said:
I must reiterate I do not believe normal temperature* can account for a 2 PSI drop, so if reports are right and more than 1 or 2 balls shows more than about 1.5 PSI below 12.5 then something else is going on (I could see a ball or two getting a slow leak or something from the stress of play and ending up lower than the rest).
It's also entirely possible that there's testing going on now indoors, which would rule out the normal temperature theory.
But there are some possibilities if you buy the normal temperature theory:
1. The Colts balls were inflated outdoors (or topped up after being brought outside), or the Patriots don't keep the visiting locker room warm.
2. The Colts balls are kept next to a heater on the field (in this scenario, it's the Colts who are cheating on temperature, and thereby keeping their balls within the pressure spec--see the Vikings/Panthers game earlier this year).
3. Andrew Luck, like Aaron Rodgers, likes overinflating the balls, so after they lose pressure due to temperature drops then they come into spec
4. The Colts balls were tested, but only after the game when they'd been moved back inside into the warmth.
*By "normal temperature", I mean taking the balls from a 70F (or 75F or 65F) locker room outside to a field that winds up 40-50F at halftime--I'm excluding the diabolical "fill the balls in the sauna/with hot air/etc" plan.
Marciano490 said:
it would be simple. I just did it myself with a basketball, a spare pump needle and a towel. It would be even easier to find the valve blindly on a football which is uniquely shaped when compared to a basketball. Especially if it was practiced.
And for the record, I don't put this out there in some effort to prove anything... I'm just reading all these "how could they even do this without being seen?" posts and it looks obvious to me how you could sneak something like this.
We still don't have context whether that 2 PSI drop was a maximum, minimum, mean, median, mode, or what exactly. Hell, there's conflicting reports on whether that 2PSI number means 12.5-2 (as most would assume, myself included) or the target pressure of 13-2 (which Gerry Austin alluded to, but WTF does he know).
Ed Hillel said:
To your first point, yes, i addressed that when I said you'd have to assume the refs messed up.
As for the Gerry Austin report, correct me if I'm wrong, but he never states when / where the Colts balls were tested. His report is highly suspicious to me anyways. It seems like a bunch of disconnected statements with built in assumptions. By the way, his statement that the balls were re-inflated at half time has already been disputed by a more recent report stating that backup balls were used instead.
86spike said:
Cool. I just hit 10 free throws in a row in my backyard. Think I could do the same in a Final Four game in front of 20,000 people?
BrunanskysSlide said:
You do not sound like a fanboy. This is the dumbest fucking fake "controvery" ever. NFL seemed invincible a few years ago and the League has basically been acting like this: "Oh, you don't think we can fuck up this cash cow? We'll show you"
86spike said:
Getting the balls consistently to the desired spec range would be the hard part.
Honestly, inflating with hot air would be simpler and more consistent if you're going to plan this kind of thing. I guess it depends on how good of an insulator a pigskin is.
My problem with this is even if it was true, who gives a shit? This is as minor an infraction as you can have, and I don't even know why you have to have such strict rules about ball inflation. If a QB wants to throw a completely deflated piece of leather, just let him. Who is hurt by this? Just let teams decide how they want their balls, you already allow them to be scrubbed, rubbed, practiced with, why draw the line at this shit? I could understand if both teams used the same balls, but each team supplies their own, so you can't put the opposition at a disadvantage if you merely allow the teams to do what they please with the football.
Sure KK still exists. They're probably good for decades more like Radio Shack was.kenneycb said:
So, our little scandal even hits the financial shows. Last night people were freaked that it was on the evening news. Soon, it will be put into a time capsule and blasted into space.
86spike said:
Thanks man, I like you a lot too.
PS - I didn't really shoot free throws. I don't even have a backyard.
Devizier said:
That's an important question for me. If the balls were actually inflated to almost the same level when the refs measured at halftime, I would think that actually supports non-tampering theories. Getting the balls to deflate to a consistently similar amount without a gauge seems like it would be a really difficult thing to do, whereas something like a temperature/atmospheric change would be more likely to remain consistent. At least that's what makes sense to me, I'm sure Sumner will come smack me down now.
Not much: more pressure vs. temperature calculations and random theories about how the balls could have been deflated. Rumors of a Belichick suspension, and folks chiming in that this is the only reaction that makes sense for Goodell, despite the obvious negative consequences such an act would have. General agreement that the NFL, like most self-important organizations, takes itself way too seriously, and by consequence is taking this issue way too seriously as well.Tyrone Biggums said:
How have they fucked up their cash cow? This is an off week and the National media has been full tilt on ~2 PSI worth of air in footballs and people are in a frenzy about it. Its a good, clean, non-felony controversy that may not even have a true victim. And everyone can have an opinion about it, joke about it or act outraged without it becoming a problem for the league. I would actually suggest that this scandal is a tailwind for the NFL.luckiestman said:
SumnerH said:
But Rev lies, too! And so do Ed and Leather. Why does everyone always just focus on my foibles?
Ed Hillel said:
Again, I'm not trying to be a Truther here, but if you have equally inflated balls and you insert the unattached needle all the way into the valve, air rushes out until you pull the needle back out to the point that the hole at the end is closed by the rubber. If you allow for a 1 second "exhale" for each ball, the results will be pretty uniform.
I really don't think it would be hard to pull this off with one ball at a time and a towel.
You guys really going to let this go without a microphallus joke? Come on you're better than this.Marciano490 said:
Past behavior includes scenarios (player safety, domestic abuse, ignoring recent memos on videotaping) that were far more egregious than deflated footballs. The underlying "crime" matters in the court of public opinion, and there's little benefit for Goodell to pander to the mouthbreathers calling for an immediate suspension. Unless you tell me that 25 owners back a Belichick suspension (which I sincerely doubt), then there's no compelling reason for Goodell to entertain such a punishment.Ed Hillel said:
Stitch01 said:
Yeah, need seed money? I'd bet the hell out of that under.
drleather2001 said:
I preempted you suckers.
Stitch01 said:
Right, but does anyone know if the balls were tested before the game or only at halftime?
Comfortably Lomb said:
Not years, decades.
@KCJoyner has been tweeting about how Raiders were rumored to have pumped helium (helium!) into footballs to help Ray Guy's punts go further.
Jimmy Johnson was going through other team's garbage cans to collect information for f*ck's sake. Integrity? Puleeeeeeeeze.
Too many smart people are being dumb to confuse lack of "integrity" with gamesmanship. Unless BB is found guilty of point-shaving or betting on the Patriots ala Rose, Omar continues to be right in his afterlife.
drleather2001 said:
The sea was angry that day my friends. Like an old man trying to return soup at a deli.
Love ya Spike!86spike said:
I've gone through all the emotional stages and am right back to WGAS/WGAF. On to Seattle, I think it's going to be one hell of a game.
Update. Hearing now it's going to be a fine and not a suspension.
Again, I'm only passing on what I am hearing. FWIW.
Again, I'm only passing on what I am hearing. FWIW.
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