#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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Filet-O-Fisk

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Suspending Belichick for the Super Bowl will do nothing to stop his rampant boundary pushing.  He has unfathomable powers, don't ya know.  
 

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jasail said:
http://www.wcsh6.com/story/weather/2015/01/20/inflate-gate-weather-roll/22065861/
 
I haven't checked their math, so I'm working with the assumption that their conversions and calculations are accurate. If not, please taunt me mercilessly and adjust the post.
They're wrong, they're using gauge pressure in a formula that requires absolute pressure. See my zillion posts upthread. 0.4 PSI is exactly what I calculated if you screw up that distinction.

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/87694-ballghazi-inflatethis/page-35#entry5858673
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/topic/87694-ballghazi-inflatethis/page-36#entry5858755
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
If the NFL suspends BB from the game, the ratings will set records. The loss of a few random butthurt Pats fans will be more than offset by those who generally could care less about the game.

Each week, the NFL trots out its stylized barbarians amid increasing controversy largely due to the fact that the league simply can no longer cover-up the horrific things its employees do from the eyes of social media. And each week people continue to tune in even when they know they are cheering broken, violent men.

If you think outrage over this tempest in a hand-pump is going to hurt the Shield, you are sorely mistaken. The storyline is actually quite compelling...
 
Yup. The integrity of the game died some time back. Probably shortly after the first snap. We are through the looking glass, here.
 

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It might set records in this Super Bowl, but I think it inflicts a lot of damage on the brand and would have seriously negative long term ramifications.  This is the Super Bowl, changing its competitive balance for something as asinine as this starts to make a mockery of this event as serious athletic competition.  And I don't think that serious damage in the NE market would be a good thing for the NFL.  Either way, I don't think this would sink the league or anything, but you're moving the goal posts -- you originally said nobody here would be done with the NFL -- I don't think that's true, I think lots of people in New England would be done with the NFL.
I don't agree. People may think they won't watch. But I believe they will watch.
 

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SumnerH said:
Links for WSCH/this precis? They made the gauge pressure/absolute pressure mistake; the PSI reduction should be higher than they're claiming.
 
Changed that one.
 
As for links in general, I would have, but I didn't write it, yeah? I put one in I found and went looking for others. Most of them are in the Twitters though so search doesn't pull them up and I decided to do some actual work instead of rereading the thread for them. Feel free to add them if you know where they are or if anyone wants to post them, I'll add them.
 
Probably would end up being the best resource on this on the web from what I can see.
 

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I don't see it affecting ratings. The Super Bowl already draws in casual viewer and many non fans. I don't see how suspending a coach will pull in more.
If anything I'd expect a very minute negative effect.
 

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I really hope that the Pats pumped the ball to 12.5 PSI with 105F air.

"The rules specify a pressure and a rough volume via ball dimensions. They don't specify a temperature, so we picked one. After that, physics happened."
 

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Dernells Casket n Flagon said:
I hope the NFL suspends Belichick for the game and he continues to coach right from the sideline hoodie and all with a Bobby Valentine mustache.
Goodell cuts a deal with Kraft: BB suspended for the Super Bowl, but the Pats get to name a temporary replacement coach.  Pats stun everyone by appointing obscure Div III coach Guy Incognito:
 

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SumnerH said:
It's not really relevant whether it helps or not; part of the point of sports is that they have arbitrary rules. You play within those rules. There's tons of evidence that corking your bat doesn't help you hit any better, but it's still against the rules and we still punish people who do it.
I understand this.  My point is why one thing is against the rules while one is compliant even though both accomplish the same goal.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
I don't agree. People may think they won't watch. But I believe they will watch.
 
If they suspended Belichick from this game, my interest in the league would be seriously diminished long term but I would probably keep watching until Brady/Belichick retired.  At that point, I would be completely done.  I wouldn't watch NFL football again. 
 

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teddykgb said:
 
It might set records in this Super Bowl, but I think it inflicts a lot of damage on the brand and would have seriously negative long term ramifications.  This is the Super Bowl, changing its competitive balance for something as asinine as this starts to make a mockery of this event as serious athletic competition.  And I don't think that serious damage in the NE market would be a good thing for the NFL.  Either way, I don't think this would sink the league or anything, but you're moving the goal posts -- you originally said nobody here would be done with the NFL -- I don't think that's true, I think lots of people in New England would be done with the NFL.
Yes, suspending Belichick for this game would amount to nothing less than the NFL making a mockery of itself by choosing sides in the game.

Also, there ought to be due process involved - whatever the facts are, the Patriots should be allowed to present a defense. No time to do that effectively while prepping for the SuperBowl.

It will be interesting to see what Kraft has to say about all of this - he's a Goodell backer.
 

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Jim Daopoulos on ESPN/NFLLive:  pre-game psi check:
 
refs have a league issued gauge, and most refs also have their own gauge;
 
during game, tho they handle the balls, officials dont give balls any sort of squeeze test, but do check to make sure all balls that get into the game have that day's ref/date stamp on them.
 

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I love SOSH and all, but...
 
One stupid quote from Shannon Sharpe results in 3 pages of horrific over-the-top prognostication?
 
Must be a slow day.
 

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PSIgate is the most ridiculous sporting experience of my life. I can't believe I'm this close to an ulcer over this.
 
I thought we decided to stop using the "-gate" suffix for controversies. I nominate waterflate.
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
I love SOSH and all, but...
 
One stupid quote from Shannon Sharpe results in 3 pages of horrific over-the-top prognostication?
 
Must be a slow day.
 

No, the 3 pages of over the top responses were due to the poster saying he heard from 2 "connected" people that BB was going to be suspended.
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
I love SOSH and all, but...
 
One stupid quote from Shannon Sharpe results in 3 pages of horrific over-the-top prognostication?
 
Must be a slow day.
Theo said he had two connected sources saying BB getting suspended
 

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HomeBrew1901 said:
I have no issue with Theo, but I have a hard time believing that he has two independent sources that told him personally that BB was going to be suspended but no other media outlet knows about it at this point.
Yeah, Theo doesn't run around spouting rumors, and he lives in NY, the NFL's backyard, but I don't see how this wouldn't have broken wide open elsewhere if he was able to find two independemt sources willing to talk. Not impossible, of course, but I'm not seeing it.

Are these people family members, Theo?
 

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I find Theo's report of a suspension quite reasonable. As I indicated way upthread, door C gets us the electric chair -- just as that poor prick was executed for desertion by Ike in WWIII for stuff many others did/: wrong place, wrong time, right guy.

At the very least we're coming within a pussy hair of a BB suspension. So much for LOL'img this being a major distraction and massive self inflicted wound.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
Mark Brunell on ESPN: Maybe now we know why Tom Brady is so good in cold weather.
 
He also keeps bragging about how much farther and more accurately he can throw a 10.5 psi ball. Let's get his dumbass out there for a skills test.
 

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HomeBrew1901 said:
I have no issue with Theo, but I have a hard time believing that he has two independent sources that told him personally that BB was going to be suspended but no other media outlet knows about it at this point.
Same here.  Cant help but wonder if it's a miscommunication somewhere down the chain prior to them, a la The Sting "Place it on Lucky D".
 

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Don Buddin's GS said:
 
 
Makes total sense--which is why the NFL won't believe it.
 
They'll believe it, they'll just willfully ignore it.   
 
"Whether you abided by the rules or not, this looks like cheating, ergo you cheated, ergo we must act decisively."
 

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My point is that this is a story that doesn't look good, we're all scrambling to discount it, and the more news that comes out, the worse it looks.  
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
Only one thing makes sense to me:
 
The Refs fucked up...and now everyone's got to figure a way out of it for them.
 
2 Hours before the game, the Refs were handed the typically under-inflated Pats footballs. No one can prove they put a gauge on them. It's just as likely the felt them and said they're OK (probably what they do before every game). (BTW, how do you test for pressure in such a small bladder without letting some air out during the test?)
 
This conforms to Rodger's statement that "sometimes they just let it go".
 
"Testing Again" 5 minutes before game time sounds like total bullshit. How long would it take to test 12-24 balls? If they did anything, they probably just felt them again and said, "OK"
 
They handled the balls repeatedly during the first half and never removed one. Now the Refs are going to say, "We felt they were soft but wanted to wait until halftime"?
 
They supposedly re-inflated the balls during halftime and re-tested them. Did anyone witness them re-testing?
 
 
 
I want to know how they test the footballs.
 
I want some ex-Refs to break the fraternity silence and say what they do or don't do relative to pressure testing.
 
I'm afraid this whole thing is going to come down to Refs doing what they always do, but not being able to tell the truth.
 
This is the the same sort of vibe I'm getting.  I'd say it's not so much that the refs fucked up - more that they don't give a fuck.  It would appear that neither players nor officials care about the rules regarding the preparation of footballs.  I'm guessing most refs perform a cursory "check" of the balls (i.e. they make sure they're fucking inflated at the very least) and the game is played as normal.  Everything we've heard from people who DON'T have a history of being boned by the Patriots has backed that up - countless comments along the line of "everybody does this" and "this isn't a big deal."
 
I feel like Goodell is going to end up issuing a DRASTICALLY overreaching punishment for this.  It won't be so much for the Pats breaking the rules - which they did - but for embarrassing the league.
 
Regardless, I hope the Lombardi trophy presentation is interrupted by the Pats holding the commissioner down so Belichick can shit in his mouth on national television.
 

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dcmissle said:
I find Theo's report of a suspension quite reasonable. As I indicated way upthread, door C gets us the electric chair -- just as that poor price was executed for desertion by Ike in WWIII for stuff many others did/: wrong place, wrong time, right guy.

At the very least we're coming within a pussy hair of a BB suspension. So much for LOL'img this being a major distraction and massive self inflicted wound.
Not saying it isn't possible, just that Theo knows right now, but no other outlet has even tweeted about it.
 

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Salva135 said:
My point is that this is a story that doesn't look good, we're all scrambling to discount it, and the more news that comes out, the worse it looks.  
 
No, we totally get it. It's like a murder investigation.
 

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WayBackVazquez said:
 
He also keeps bragging about how much farther and more accurately he can throw a 10.5 psi ball. Let's get his dumbass out there for a skills test.
Isn't the opposite true? Worse spiral etc over distance.
 

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geoduck no quahog said:
I love SOSH and all, but...
 
One stupid quote from Shannon Sharpe results in 3 pages of horrific over-the-top prognostication?
 
Must be a slow day.
There were 5 responses to the Sharpe quote.  As others noted, most are responses to Theo's sources.  
 

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I'm very much hoping BB isn't suspended, that would be crazy. And it would really sully the Super Bowl, although the horse might be out of the barn on that one.
 
But I doubt I would give up on the NFL and never watch again. I think that's an extreme and difficult position to take.
 

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Mystic Merlin said:
Yeah, Theo doesn't run around spouting rumors, and he lives in NY, the NFL's backyard, but I don't see how this wouldn't have broken wide open elsewhere if he was able to find two independemt sources willing to talk. Not impossible, of course, but I'm not seeing it.

Are these people family members, Theo?
One of them is his neighbor's dog. The other is his neighbor, Omar. Incidentally, Omar has another neighbor who is a member here.
 

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Salva135 said:
My point is that this is a story that doesn't look good, we're all scrambling to discount it, and the more news that comes out, the worse it looks.  
 
 
There's no news coming out.
 
There are leaks.
 
 

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Theo's a pretty straight shooter in my experience. This has me pretty worried.
 

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bowiac said:
Theo's a pretty straight shooter in my experience. This has me pretty worried.
 
No one thinks he's lying, but just wondering why if he's got 2 sources on this, the rest of the internet has 0.
 

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DrewDawg said:
 
No one thinks he's lying, but just wondering why if he's got 2 sources on this, the rest of the internet has 0.
 
The Pats are now two point favorites.  Like I said, when the lines start moving the other way, I'll worry that sources are leaking.
 

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Look, I don't think it's wisdom, but it's not entirely crazy.

You guys cheated. I did not impact the game so we are not disqualifying you. The HC is responsible for everything. The HC gets whacked for a game.

I hope to Christ this game plan is fully formed and BB is has signed off on all its important elements.
 

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The Pats are now two point favorites.  Like I said, when the lines start moving the other way, I'll worry that sources are leaking.
 
Although it would be an opportunity to doctor the betting lines, no?
 

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The only way I can see BB getting suspended for the game is if this is another "Spygate" situation.  BB and the Patriots were warned to cut the shit earlier in the season and they got caught again.  Likely, no I don't think so, but it's the only way I see it as plausible or reasonable.
 

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dcmissle said:
I find Theo's report of a suspension quite reasonable. As I indicated way upthread, door C gets us the electric chair -- just as that poor prick was executed for desertion by Ike in WWIII for stuff many others did/: wrong place, wrong time, right guy.

At the very least we're coming within a pussy hair of a BB suspension. So much for LOL'img this being a major distraction and massive self inflicted wound.
Source that makes you real sure of this?
 

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Man, if they just would have used a belt sander on the ball - maybe this mess could have been avoided.