#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Yes.Stitch01 said:
The inch up thing was a FN to the main point. The Pats are innovative as hell and are coached by the smartest coach in the NFL.
That creates awesome.
How about the low fumble rate? The immediate reaction of the Haters is "see, the balls MUST be deflated; they would fumble more if not." I love that we are so in their heads that they think that. That it doesn't even begin to occur to them that BB drums into the players' heads that when they fumble, they fumble for 52 other guys and really the entire organization. That players get benched for fumbling. That coaching matters.
Ken's point #4 is great. The press is willfully not doing their job on this story. They're just waiting by the phone with some leaked news from the league office or it's a terrible hot sports take opinion. Literally zero actual reporting. Maybe talk to the refs of any league and see what they say since they control the balls all the time? Anybody?
kartvelo said:
The key thing to remember is that we don't have any evidence that game balls are regularly tested during or after games. If they are, and what happened with Pats footballs is actually abnormal, that would be relevant....but so far as I know this is just an unknown.
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Wait.... if the media can't be sued by "public figures", does that mean we can sue them for ruining the entire first week of the Super Bowl leadup for us?Chuck Schilling said:
For instance, the CFL. It's hella cold in Canada. Can anyone get a CFL ref on the phone and see how they do their jobs with keeping the balls in spec? It's like under 5 phone calls for that.
ifmanis5 said:
That would leave less time for the media members to spend at some free buffet.
ifmanis5 said:
Exactly. This is science we're talking about. There have been thousands of football games played in cold weather, using footballs theoretically inflated at room temp. Even though the difference is tough for the layman to distinguish, there is no way on Earth this is the first time someone has noticed lower pressure in a football. I mean, for God's sake, how is some New England media outlet not testing this theory by having local high schools play flag football scrimmages in New Hampshire this week and testing the air pressure?
Hey, can someone please update the first post? I'm particularly interested in
* Bill Nye vs. Carnegie Mellon http://www.headsmartlabs.com/
* The rumor that only one of the balls was 2 PSI below, that the others were closer to 1. (I heard that on the radio, could be total hearsay)
* Bill Nye vs. Carnegie Mellon http://www.headsmartlabs.com/
* The rumor that only one of the balls was 2 PSI below, that the others were closer to 1. (I heard that on the radio, could be total hearsay)
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=carolina-panthers&id=11945&src=desktoppappymojo said:
Graham Gano from Carolina.
Proper inflation of the football has never mattered to the NFL outside of the kicking game, which is why they alone control the K-Balls.
ifmanis5 said:
Here's the CFL rule book. They have the exact same 12.5-13.5 PSI range so it would be an interesting question.
http://www.cfl.ca/page/game_rule_rule1
ifmanis5 said:
The CFL season goes from July 1st to the end of November. It doesn't get insanely cold that often during games.
https://twitter.com/greggdoyelstar/status/559773298503221249Ed Hillel said:
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God that thread makes me so happy.
TheShynessClinic said:
Well, until the NFL actually says what the investigation revealed, no one has been "right" yet have they?
My point is more that Florio is considered a somewhat connected guy and if whatever he's talking about backs up something Sharks tweeted yesterday, it would start to lend credence to what they've said.
You can believe or not, that's up to you.
TheShynessClinic said:
The Shark hasn't tweeted anything confirmable that actually proved to be right. The Shark account did say that the NFL had nothing about a day before BB went all Mr. Wizard.
KenTremendous said:
Also regarding BB's discussion of pre-game prep possible raising the psi of the football.
Have a car? Every driver knows when checking tires there are two psi numbers to consider - one for when the tires are cold and one for when they're warm. My Durango tires are 33psi when cold and 37 when warm. So, if I drive them to from my house to the gas station three miles away to check and fill my tires, I'm inflating them to 37, not 33 (because their equilibrium is 33 but the friction and heat generated artificially inflates them by 4psi).
Seriously, like everyone knows this, everyone but Bill Nye.
pappymojo said:
Temperature absolutely has an affect on field goal performance. Not said explicitly here if that's due to pressure or another factor, but it suggests there is something to it.
I doubt that head coaches have played this trick before. And filling balls at the half might just be unique here. Up until now the procedure has been to submit them to the refs before the game for testing and that was the end of it.KenTremendous said:
riboflav said:
Also worth emphasizing that the tires are warmed by the friction between the tires and the road. So yeah, rubbing the football could absolutely warm it. Pretty depressing that a "prominent scientific expert" like Bill Nye doesn't even get this. What's extra depressing is that being on TV looking geeky in a labcoat and bowtie makes you a scientific expert on everything in the minds of most Americans.
I think the Bill Nye thing is that he didn't even really respond with science; his response was basically "I'm a Seahawks fan, this isn't my problem; suck it Belichick!"
Of course, he should have known that his non-response would be interpreted as a strict statement of scientific fact, because he's "the science guy."
Of course, he should have known that his non-response would be interpreted as a strict statement of scientific fact, because he's "the science guy."
Jettisoned said:
So you're saying Belichick should have come out dressed like Bunson Honeydew?
Actually agree with todays Barstool hottake, if the Pats really did nothing wrong they shouldn't just let the NFL Friday news release this one away in the offseason. Should have BB holding a press conference every week keeping this one on the front burner.
kartvelo said:
Like it or not, "Spygate" was that.
It was a completely arbitrary, stupid, and immaterial line, that had no impact whatsoever on anything.
But there was a line there, and it was crossed.
It's just one of those stupid-ass things. It technically crossed the line. There's no getting around it.
ifmanis5 said:
The regular season is done by early November and most of the Grey Cup games have been held in Toronto or Hamilton, which both have climates that are very slightly colder than Boston. The coldest city with a CFL team is Edmonton, and the average daytime high temperature in early November there is about 40F.
It gets cold for CFL games sometimes here but it's not like that often enough for the referees to be experts about ball pressure fluctuations. Also no one here would give a single shit about something like this.
Amazing he can talk from under the team bus
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drleather2001 said:
I also think Nye wasn't being creative enough. He's envisioning a person sitting there rubbing a ball by hand. I agree that it's pretty unbelievable that action would warm up the ball enough to affect the pressure by 1 psi, unless it was Superman. However, if the team is using a lathe-like machine, for example, now we're getting somewhere. I'd imagine such an approach is being used, considering they need to break in 12-24 balls per game (and probably more, given Tom's statement that he picks his favorites during the week).
You know what? I'm at the point where I'm going to Troal Dahl. Listen, you moron(s). I'm smart and you're dumb. I have science and you have a lot of air between your ears that is rapidly deflating. I'm right and you're wrong and there is nothing you can do about it.
And if you don't have the minerals or the brains to talk about this without blathering like a raving tin foil hat lunatic then jog on. I'm done. See you after the Pats win. I'm out.
Until the NFL releases something one way or the other this travesty of journalism has gone on long enough.
And if you don't have the minerals or the brains to talk about this without blathering like a raving tin foil hat lunatic then jog on. I'm done. See you after the Pats win. I'm out.
Until the NFL releases something one way or the other this travesty of journalism has gone on long enough.
djbayko said:
I'd wager he never actually watched the press conference; that someone (ESPN) told him something like:
"Hey, so Belichick is saying the Pats are off the hook because the Patriots rub their ball really vigorously before the measurement, or something. Care to comment?"
The science being in dispute is merely frosting on the main point. It's the ref's duty to make sure the ball is at least 12.5
The media's focus on the frosting, and what Bill Nye vs. Carnegie Mellon vs. MIT has to say about those interesting subtle points misses the most basic part of what Bill said.
The media's focus on the frosting, and what Bill Nye vs. Carnegie Mellon vs. MIT has to say about those interesting subtle points misses the most basic part of what Bill said.
Mike Florio is exactly right:
I think the clear "legal" answer is its the ref's job.
I think the "science" frosting was just added to provide cover for the fact that the Pats only got them close to the lower range, so that any fluctuation could bring them under. They could have said "the balls we gave them probably were never 12.5" Instead, they added the "rubbing/heating" to give the Pats cover for saying the balls were at 12.5 when they gave them to the refs. As Bill said:
Unless of course it's one of those weeks in November when it's -20...which happen plenty enough, too.
I would think you might have bigger changes to the ball psi in Calgary during a Chinook when the barometric pressure plummets as high winds bring in a low pressure system. That leads to this other thougt, what changes might have occured with the barometric pressure during the Pats-Colts game? It was a pretty unsettled weather day, so did something happen there?
I would think you might have bigger changes to the ball psi in Calgary during a Chinook when the barometric pressure plummets as high winds bring in a low pressure system. That leads to this other thougt, what changes might have occured with the barometric pressure during the Pats-Colts game? It was a pretty unsettled weather day, so did something happen there?
drleather2001 said:
As mentioned upthread, you have the timeline wrong. The video was taken down a day before Nye was on TV due to NFL restrictions on live game footage. The video is back up with the footage replaced with stills.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12226086
John BrenkusVerified account@Sport_Science
@FrankSolenskyhttps://twitter.com/FrankSolensky @eggwarm yes, NFL footage we used originally had on-line restrictions. We replaced the footage with stills- no restrictions
9:54 AM - 26 Jan 2015
CBS sports minute on 98.5 with Jim Rome. He doesn't believe Brady and, guess what?!?! He found ANOTHER butt-hurt ex NFL-er to back him up. Derrick Mason says there's no way a QB wouldn't know what was hapening.
There's gotta be some sort of "beaten by the Patriots" filter when these producers and hosts are looking for guests.
There's gotta be some sort of "beaten by the Patriots" filter when these producers and hosts are looking for guests.
