Derek Jeter: Countdown to Retirement

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Yeah, the ballots being private is why Jeter will not get 100% - no public shaming is possible.
 
That and I am counting on at least one Boston sports writer to do the right thing and stick it in George King's eye.  Can't wait for King's outraged column if he comes up just short of 100%....
"How could you not vote for him?!  He had intangibles like dock rope!"
 

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Back to back below replacement level seasons to close out his career by fWAR. bWAR had him negative last year and at 0 this year so I'm sure he can pull it off there too. Happy retirement!
 

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Madmartigan said:
Pretty sure they had to CGI fans into Yankee Stadium at the end there.
Probably filmed the last part on Sept. 7 when they had 48,110 for Jeter Day. Place was 98 percent full that day.
 

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It's really nice to see that he's willing to give up some of his free time to make a commercial honoring himself.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
It's really nice to see that he's willing to give up some of his free time to make a commercial honoring himself.
 
I received an email from someone in one of the fantasy leagues that I am a member of saying the following:
 
 
Did anyone see the Gatorade Jeter farewell ad? He owns NY. What an amazing career and life for that matter...
 
I responded by blatantly plagiarizing your comments and then hitting reply all.  Just FYI.
 

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Please feel free to use it whenever you want.  I obviously was half joking and I expected to receive multiple angry responses from Yankee fans.  I don't know if I'm disappointed or relieved by the lack of such replies.
 

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Trlicek's Whip said:
 
What was his career BA before this season? Has it been a huge drop?
 
Yeah, it was .313. He was in the top 80 or so all-time, now he's outside the top 100, and behind Nomar.
 
The great thing is that after all of us who were lucky enough to see his calm eyes are dead and gone, only the numbers will remain. Some Sox fan 100 year from now will get to give the Yankees fan at the bar shit about how this Jeter guy wasn't very good, he just played a long time. The Red Sox had a SS who was much better, but just didn't last very long.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
Please feel free to use it whenever you want.  I obviously was half joking and I expected to receive multiple angry responses from Yankee fans.  I don't know if I'm disappointed or relieved by the lack of such replies.
 
I'll let you know what I get from it.
 
For the record, the ad was well done.  But to quote Tom Glavine from the classic Nike ad "Chicks Dig the Long Ball" - When are they going to stop worshiping this guy?

Edit: so the emails are flying at me and they are not favorable. The kindest is saying that I have an unnatural hatred of Jeter based on envy.
 

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Yeah, it was .313. He was in the top 80 or so all-time, now he's outside the top 100, and behind Nomar.
 
The great thing is that after all of us who were lucky enough to see his calm eyes are dead and gone, only the numbers will remain. Some Sox fan 100 year from now will get to give the Yankees fan at the bar shit about how this Jeter guy wasn't very good, he just played a long time. The Red Sox had a SS who was much better, but just didn't last very long.
That sort of parallels the JoeD/Ted storyline. DiMaggio had a relatively short prime, from 1936-42 before the war. Ted had a very long prime, and what a prime it was. DiMaggio played 13 seasons in all, Ted was over 20, counting the war years.
 

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terrynever said:
That sort of parallels the JoeD/Ted storyline. DiMaggio had a relatively short prime, from 1936-42 before the war. Ted had a very long prime, and what a prime it was. DiMaggio played 13 seasons in all, Ted was over 20, counting the war years.
 
 
 
It's not really a parallel; Williams hit better AND longer. Also, why would you count the war years for Williams and not DiMaggio?
 
Not sure I agree with your characterization of DiMaggio's prime, either. His OPS+ from 1947-50 was 159, the exact same as it was from 1936-42.
 

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terrynever said:
That sort of parallels the JoeD/Ted storyline. DiMaggio had a relatively short prime, from 1936-42 before the war. Ted had a very long prime, and what a prime it was. DiMaggio played 13 seasons in all, Ted was over 20, counting the war years.
 
Plus Ted had a 190 OPS+ in his age 41 season, which definitely fits with Jeter's arc.
 

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Deadspin: That Stupid Derek Jeter Ad Will Make You Cry For America
 

The actual advertisement doesn't quite work as intended, though. First, there's the choice of music—Frank Sinatra's "My Way," which not only draws an unfortunate parallel between late-era Jeter and the senescence of another limpid-eyed New York icon, but also reminds the viewer that Jeter was a vain and selfish player. (He refused, for example, to move off shortstop, which he played incompetently, when the Yankees traded for Alex Rodriguez.) Second, there's the fact that the conceit rests on the idea that Jeter has never once, over the 20 years he's played in New York, thought to take to the streets and talk to the commoners, raising certain questions about his supposed love affair with the city. Third, there's Jeter's visible discomfort, which may be the result of a bad actor's attempts to feign wistfulness—he's an actor in an advertisement here, after all, not the subject of a short documentary—but nonetheless lends the whole thing an air of unease. Add it all up and this is, at best, less kitsch than a set of allusions to a kitsch concept of New York as a big apple that never sleeps, filled with honest working people, Sinatra, "classiness," and so on. It's basically like watching Billy Crystal and Rudy Giuliani blow one another for a minute and a half.
 
 
 

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I'd be curious to know what all of the many players who are/were better than Jeter think about the nonstop ball washing of a departing inferior player.
 

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I thought the Nike one was fine, and the Gatorade one was ok, but this is just dreadful.
 
Not only dreadful, but it made me angry that they were basically celebrating little leaguers imitating the shoving the hand in the ump's face thing and the stupid jump throw from the hole.
 

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Three straight multihit games to open his final homestand, including three balls pulled with power (one HR, one to the warning track, and a double into the corner in the 9th today, on a 97 MPH Morrow FB no less). 
 

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Heh, RA Dickey had to answer a bunch of questions about whether he grooved the HR pitch the other day...
 
Olney has a long column today talking about how Jeter has hurt NY this year. Nothing I/we haven't been talking about here all year, but nice to see this stat updated:

 
With Jeter Without Jeter
 
W-L 68-70 11-5
ERA 3.76 3.41
 

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Jeter back up to .310 lifetime. Doesn't matter one way or the other in the big picture. But I bet it means a lot to him, just as two lousy points meant the world to Mantle in 1968.
 

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jon abbey said:
Three straight multihit games to open his final homestand, including three balls pulled with power (one HR, one to the warning track, and a double into the corner in the 9th today, on a 97 MPH Morrow FB no less). 
 
I think he should come back next year.  Favre style.
 

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From today's NYT game story:
 
“Hopefully, he keeps getting two hits and decides he wants to play again next year,” Gardner said, smiling. “Hopefully he changes his mind. We’ll see.”
 

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h8mfy said:
From today's NYT game story:
 
“Hopefully, he keeps getting two hits and decides he wants to play again next year,” Gardner said, smiling. “Hopefully he changes his mind. We’ll see.”
One can only dream! Jetes and A-Rod back together again!  :fap:
 

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You guys have no idea how much I am looking forward to locking this and all other Jeter threads in about a week. 
 

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jon abbey said:
You guys have no idea how much I am looking forward to locking this and all other Jeter threads in about a week.
Make it one of those gigantic locks. I've never been so happy to see a player retire. Hope the memory of these last two years fades away soon.
 

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terrynever said:
Make it one of those gigantic locks. I've never been so happy to see a player retire. Hope the memory of these last two years fades away soon.
Us Sox fans will make sure that these last couple of years are never forgotten.
 

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joyofsox said:
OPS+ of 52 and 75???
He played in 17 games last year and lost the rest to injury. Why do you think that OPS+ means anything?

As for this year, sure, he sucked. But once the year is over, I can't imagine why there would be any sting to it. He's retiring at the end of the first crappy year he's had as a pro. I guess I don't understand how you really get any mileage out of it.

Knock yourself out though.
 

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BornToRun said:
Us Sox fans will make sure that these last couple of years are never forgotten.
 
He led all of MLB in hits in 2012 and helped take NY to the ALCS, missed basically all of 2013 hurt and then spent 2014 sucking for a mediocre at best team that wasn't going anywhere anyway.
 
So feel free to kindle whatever memories you like, do you not remember how the Nomar era ended in BOS? Manny? Pedro on the Phillies in the WS against NY? It rarely ends ideally for anyone, but he's had an impressive last five games at least, at the end of a long season of suck.
 

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Yes, but in their last year Nomar, Manny and Pedro were not worshiped like a demigod by NYY fans of various clubs and the media alike.  NO ONE GAVE PEDRO A BUCKET OF CRABS!  Lol.
 
Seriously, for many of us it is just so tiring and nearly impossible to escape.
 
[edit: updated my idiocy]
 
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