Correa agrees with Twins for 6 years, 200M

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That would make a lot more sense considering his career high in ABs is 577.

Regardless, the Twins hold all the power because they can just bench him when they're out of the playoffs if they don't want his stuff to vest. & even if he's great in 10 years, he's going to be making like veteran minimum. He couldn't get a 6/$200m without these negative add-ons?
This seems like an excellent way to 1) get the Player's Union on your ass and 2) not ever sign a marquee free agent again.

I quietly posted upthread, but I do wonder what this means for Royce Lewis' future. He looked ready to play at the MLB level last season before he got Swiharted. He's only played like 4 games off of SS his whole minor league career, and obviously Correa isn't going to move off the position. Does this make him tradeable for them, or is he too damaged with multiple major knee injuries to make him worth moving?
 

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This seems like an excellent way to 1) get the Player's Union on your ass and 2) not ever sign a marquee free agent again.

I quietly posted upthread, but I do wonder what this means for Royce Lewis' future. He looked ready to play at the MLB level last season before he got Swiharted. He's only played like 4 games off of SS his whole minor league career, and obviously Correa isn't going to move off the position. Does this make him tradeable for them, or is he too damaged with multiple major knee injuries to make him worth moving?
I spent a long time thinking about “Royce Lewis to the Red Sox” scenarios after hearing the Story news before concluding it *probably* was a bad idea. I assume he’s still out until June-ish.
 

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I spent a long time thinking about “Royce Lewis to the Red Sox” scenarios after hearing the Story news before concluding it *probably* was a bad idea. I assume he’s still out until June-ish.
Ha, I wish, love what little I've been able to watch of him. June is probably the earliest he would be back, but it's more likely July and I wouldn't be surprised to see them take it really carefully with him. He has the potential to be a spectacular player, and I don't think the Sox would be willing to give up what the Twins would want in return (not to mention, there's already a certain 20 year old in the organization that projects pretty well at that position, too).
 

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This seems like an excellent way to 1) get the Player's Union on your ass and 2) not ever sign a marquee free agent again.
Totally fair. If that's a decision they are considering, though, presumably his play doesn't necessarily warrant the playing time.

Also, I think Carlos Correa is the only marquee free agent the Twins generally sign. But you're still right.
 

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Yeaah, I wouldn't be so fast. They still need to get their SP's figured out. They cycle in AA and AAA pitchers like crazy. Everybody besides 5 guys cant hit .250, and their OF is absolute dreck besides Buxton, but he can't even play 100 games. Up here in MN people have nothing left to live for besides fishing, and the twins are the most frustrating team to watch. Sure it gets them 6 more wins on paper but I'm not convinced it gets them to the playoffs even.
Sorry I didn’t properly finish my thought. The MLB guys were raving about Correa and Buxton. I think the Twins are the definition of mid. Buxton is great when healthy. But he’s really never healthy.
 

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Sorry I didn’t properly finish my thought. The MLB guys were raving about Correa and Buxton. I think the Twins are the definition of mid. Buxton is great when healthy. But he’s really never healthy.
Which makes it particularly wild for the Twins to take this risk. Bringing in a guy with (apparently) a looming injury to pair with a guy who just cannot stay on the field seems like a recipe for disappointment.
 

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Which makes it particularly wild for the Twins to take this risk. Bringing in a guy with (apparently) a looming injury to pair with a guy who just cannot stay on the field seems like a recipe for disappointment.
You won’t be saying that when Correa and Buxton combine to make the Yankees beat them in 4 ALDS games instead of a sweep.
 

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Tying the vesting options to ABs instead of PAs seems dumb. The whole set up seems weird & bad for Correa if that Tweet is accurate. His medicals must be gruesome.
Tying it to anything except "games missed/IL because of [specific injury]" is a recipe for disaster if the team is not in contention over the final 3 weeks of his "last" season under contract. Some managers have the will and gravitas to say fuck it and do right by the player. But only some.
 

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I remember first hearing that song in '87 as a kid. It might be around even longer than that. Its on the radio all the time during the season. I highly doubt there isn't a person in MN that has never heard it. My 3 yr old niece can even sing it.
I lived in Minnesota in ‘87 and I have many fond memories from that year, but that song isn’t one of them.

Holy shit that is peak MN.
 

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Tying it to anything except "games missed/IL because of [specific injury]" is a recipe for disaster if the team is not in contention over the final 3 weeks of his "last" season under contract. Some managers have the will and gravitas to say fuck it and do right by the player. But only some.
Can you think of any cases where a player was clearly screwed out of an incentive (bonus, vesting option, etc.) based on a manager’s decision?

Sure, it’s going to be on a manager’s mind if it’s a close call whether a position player is the team’s best option to start, or whether a relief pitcher could use an extra day of rest. But I can’t think of an instance where a player got blatantly screwed, and I always assumed that was because the MLBPA would grieve the issue (and win) if a club went out of its way to prevent an incentive from vesting.
 

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Can you think of any cases where a player was clearly screwed out of an incentive (bonus, vesting option, etc.) based on a manager’s decision?

Sure, it’s going to be on a manager’s mind if it’s a close call whether a position player is the team’s best option to start, or whether a relief pitcher could use an extra day of rest. But I can’t think of an instance where a player got blatantly screwed, and I always assumed that was because the MLBPA would grieve the issue (and win) if a club went out of its way to prevent an incentive from vesting.
There are definitely some, JA Happ complained in 2020 about it, but really it was his fault for not being better.

https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/08/26/yankees-ja-happ-no-right-call-team-vesting-option/amp/
 

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Can you think of any cases where a player was clearly screwed out of an incentive (bonus, vesting option, etc.) based on a manager’s decision?

Sure, it’s going to be on a manager’s mind if it’s a close call whether a position player is the team’s best option to start, or whether a relief pitcher could use an extra day of rest. But I can’t think of an instance where a player got blatantly screwed, and I always assumed that was because the MLBPA would grieve the issue (and win) if a club went out of its way to prevent an incentive from vesting.
Off the top of my head, I can only recall the opposite -- Jimy Williams and Steve Avery. My point was more that it puts the manager into a shitty spot.
BASEBALL: ROUNDUP; Clause Nets Avery $3.9 Million - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
 

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Playing time 6 years from now will be more a GM/Ownership decision than a manager decision for the Twins.

This is basically a 6/200M contract (brutal for Correa to lose 150M!…. But who can complain with 200M really :)). After that there is a ton of team control on multiple 1 year deals of decreasing value. If Correa is performing reasonably well, they’ll probably keep playing him. By that point, this shifts to a very team friendly short term deal and he will have trade value if nothing else.

If he stinks and/or his ankle is shot and they don’t think a 1/25M contract the following year makes sense, he will be let go.

In a general sense, odd to me to have the vesting stat ABs rather than PAs, wouldn’t seem to encourage good at bats and walks .
 
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There are definitely some, JA Happ complained in 2020 about it, but really it was his fault for not being better.

https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/08/26/yankees-ja-happ-no-right-call-team-vesting-option/amp/
Happ needed either 10 starts or 60 innings to get his option...

He ended up with 9 starts, 49.1 innings, & a 3.47 ERA (both the innings & the ERA were 2nd on the team among starters behind Gerrit Cole). Jordan Montgomery got 10 starts, despite a 5.11 ERA.

They pitched Happ in games 5, 10, 21, 30, 36, 42, 47, 52, & 58.

His first 2 games weren't great, but they were running out Montgomery & Michael King during that time period when they were skipping his starts, who were all pitching pretty badly (when James Paxton got hurt they replaced him in the rotation with Michael King instead of giving Happ the start in game 15 for example).

He ended up with a 1 year $5.2m contract with the Twins instead of the $17m. He's JA Happ, so no one really cares, but yeah.

& the point isn't that they would bench Correa if he's playing well - if he's playing well they wouldn't care that the contract vests. They could bench a healthy Correa for performance reasons to avoid the option vesting. Whether they could get away with it? I guess it depends on just how bad he was playing.

In a general sense, odd to me to have the vesting stat ABs rather than PAs, wouldn’t seem to encourage good at bats and walks .
I don't think the ABs thing can possibly be right. His career high is 577 & the 1st vesting point is 575, but who knows? Either way, it's high enough that they wouldn't need to sit him much for him to miss.

His career high in PAs is 660 & he had 590 last season (his 3rd time over 575 in 7 full seasons).
 

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I lived in Minnesota in ‘87 and I have many fond memories from that year, but that song isn’t one of them.

Holy shit that is peak MN.
It’s quaint, it’s cute, it’s great for teaching to kids as they become baseball fans.

And it beats the hell out of, say, the old Redskins fight song (which I learned and sang as a 12 year old - ugh). Most team songs aren’t great music.
 

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As for the Correa deal, if the Twins are close to right about his ankle (more longer than shorter term issue), then they killed it. 6/$200 is reasonable for his talent and way short on years, especially given this offseason. But the 4 years with decreasing AAVs? With player options based on actual PT and performance (so, his foot hasn’t in fact fallen off) and team options if he misses the player option cut offs? That’s great negotiating. On top of the Buxton deal, this FO is looking pretty freaking creative.
 

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I should clarify my previous comment, because reading it now I realize it might not have translated as I intended.

I agree that the song is very quaint, cute, and, well, very Minnesotan. When I said that it wasn’t among my fond memories, I just meant that I don’t remember ever hearing it before.

Edit: I’m also dead serious about my memories of ‘87. The scene when the Twins won the ALCS and flew back to a post-midnight rally at a packed-to-the-rafters Metrodome still sends chills down my spine.

Love the area and really love the stadium. I hope the Correa signing works for them.
 

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I should clarify my previous comment, because reading it now I realize it might not have translated as I intended.

I agree that the song is very quaint, cute, and, well, very Minnesotan. When I said that it wasn’t among my fond memories, I just meant that I don’t remember ever hearing it before.

Edit: I’m also dead serious about my memories of ‘87. The scene when the Twins won the ALCS and flew back to a post-midnight rally at a packed-to-the-rafters Metrodome still sends chills down my spine.

Love the area and really love the stadium. I hope the Correa signing works for them.
All good. You’re right, it’s MN. If there were a table in that video with hot dish, jello, and a big coffee urn, you’d swear the Coen Brothers filmed it!

And ‘87 was remarkable. Bittersweet for me, though, coming here, after ‘86…
 

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All good. You’re right, it’s MN. If there were a table in that video with hot dish, jello, and a big coffee urn, you’d swear the Coen Brothers filmed it!

And ‘87 was remarkable. Bittersweet for me, though, coming here, after ‘86…
Well, as a recent arrival in Minnesota, I needed help to adjust to the new culture and language. A Minnesota-friendly neighbor shared this video with me. Is it any good? You bet.

How to talk Minnesotan:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiSzwoJr4-0
 

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