Copa Oro 2023: Better than a Non-league Summer Friendly, Sort of

rguilmar

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So we meet again, this time for a spot in the finals. Panama vs USA.

We still have a bitter taste in our mouths when CONCACAF and Co basically fixed another Panama semifinal (vs Mexico). Looks like a lot of young players will make their mark and Christiansen is the first HC we have retained after a WC cycle so I have good fellings about La Marea Roja.
Your guys have been a lot of fun to watch. Godoy still has it and there is definitely some young talent. I’d say that they are the best coached team still in the GC, and they have a sense of what they want to do as a team both attacking and defending. I’ve really liked watching your #21 Yanis who seems to come off the bench pretty often. I was shocked to see he doesn’t have a club right now. Fun player.
 

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lol this was the most surreal thing I ever watched. CONCACAF at its peak.

View: https://youtu.be/VHf1JIt9vdI
Wow that's brutal. I don't recall watching that tournament so that's the first I've seen of it.

The red at 24' is absurd, barely a yellow, could easily just be a common foul. I have absolutely no idea what Mark Geiger was thinking there. What happened at 88' is just barely fair, might not be called today with the benefit of VAR and the "bracing for a fall" rule. At 103', leaving aside that it hits Vela in the arm before it falls, the defender Cummings got to it first and Orozco just clattered into him and fell down, that's maybe called 2 times out of 10. Cummings probably didn't need to make that challenge though, it was already heading to a very oblique angle.

Anyway, that is a rough, rough match. I dunno about "fixed", I don't see why Mark Geiger would participate in any sort of scheme or go along with any sort of marketing interests, he had a big rep to uphold. Had already officiated the 2014 world cup, would go on to officiate the 2018 world cup (as hard as it is to believe). But those are 3 tough-to-ridiculous calls all going Mexico's way, no doubt there.

I hope Wednesday's match is a lot cleaner. We shouldn't need any shenanigans to advance, we're better than Panama's team by just about any measure. But it's too bad they got rid of the 3rd place match, trekfan might've gotten a chance for revenge vs Mexico :)

edit: Scuffed Discord sicko DopeIsland has an xG-and-Elo-based model that gives Mexico 74% to advance, and USA 79% to advance. That overrates USA (because the Elo was earned by the A-team), but also underrates Jamaica imo (their GC squad is much better than history would suggest).
 
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So, thinking about the gold cup made me nostalgically ruminate about the confederations cup, and what a shame it is that it doesn’t exist any more. That would have been awesome to see in 2025 here in the U.S. Qatar really fucked up everything.

But, so, instead we get the Club World Cup. I’m actually looking forward to that too. I keep googling wondering when FIFA will set up a website. Two years will go by quickly. I know it’s a tournament that doesn’t get much focus or attention, but I think the 2025 version is going to be great. Teams may take it seriously. Full 8 group tournament with traditional 32 team group play and rules and knockouts, with some of the world’s best clubs (albeit in the summer). I’m putting in for tickets as soon as they have the first lottery. Could you imagine if inter Miami somehow were to nab the last CONCACAF spot! Never happen. But fun to imagine.

Not really gold cup discussion, but the question is whether it’s worth getting a thread going, or too early? Several clubs have already qualified.
 

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Not really gold cup discussion, but the question is whether it’s worth getting a thread going, or too early? Several clubs have already qualified.
Fire it up! I don't really know anything about the tournament yet other than that it's in the USA, so would be happy to read. We have a World Cup 2026 thread already.
 

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In any US-based tournament where Mexico is playing, we will always be the undercard. Mexico is the main event. We have the lead-in slot so that Mexico fans at Las Vegas can be good and ready to throw stuff and start fights by 10:00pm ET.
 

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Doubleheaders are the best for that reason. When they used to do the triple headers at Gillette those crowds were something by game 3.
 

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Doubleheaders are the best for that reason. When they used to do the triple headers at Gillette those crowds were something by game 3.
US and Mexico are in different locations for the Semis, so that's not one of those doubleheaders that you're thinking of.

However, by some reports a quite high percentage of the fan atmosphere for that US/Canada match was thanks to Guatemalan-Americans living their best lives with exactly that kind of doubleheader experience. I definitely clocked the "extremely enthusiastic Guatemalan kit, US flag" crowd shots once I knew that was a thing.
 

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I almost pulled the trigger on one of those Guatemala kits the other day. Beautiful.

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However, by some reports a quite high percentage of the fan atmosphere for that US/Canada match was thanks to Guatemalan-Americans living their best lives with exactly that kind of doubleheader experience. I definitely clocked the "extremely enthusiastic Guatemalan kit, US flag" crowd shots once I knew that was a thing.
I think I've mentioned this in the forum before, but one side of the 2011 Gold Cup quarters was USA-Jamaica then Panama-El Salvador at RFK here in DC.

USA rolled over Jamaica, got to see Jermaine Jones's first USA goal. Pretty cool.

About 30,000 USA fans left after the first match, and by my reckoning almost 30,000 El Salvador fans snuck in (and maybe a thousand Panama fans or so). Loudest sporting event I've ever been to, louder than a Pats playoff game for real. My friend and her husband left after a few minutes because the sheer volume scared her. El Salvador fan in the row across from me broke his seat by jumping on it repeatedly. Good times.
 

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Should be interesting. I’d prefer Neal to Long, not that Neal hasn’t made several mistakes (he has) but getting a talented, young CB high leverage minutes can only help with his development. Long gains nothing. But I imagine BJ prefers the experience of Long, and Neal did make some poor decisions last game and has been turned easily by quick attackers throughout the tournament.

Otherwise it’s a fine XI. I imagine Jesús tucks in and Reynolds can overlap, unlike whatever the plan was last game.
 

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Can't really get much of the ball. Panama taking it away with ease in the midfield on any 50/50.
 

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When we have the ball our shape is like a big rectangle with nobody in the middle, nobody near each other, nobody showing for the ball. A central pass = insta-pass back. Late-stage Michael Bradley stuff. Bleak. Good on Panama so far they are hungry and pouncing **shakes fist at trekfan**.
 

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Omg Vazquez, if you want that transfer to Germany, as a striker, you've got to at least put that on frame.
That’s a hard ball to bury probably more likely to go over the top than go in.

I really like Callaghan as manager. Made some good adjustments and US not suffering solely 1 way traffic so far although just conceded another good chance
 

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I hate to say this, like a lot, but getting Roldan on makes some sense. Would rather see Djordje go off though.
 

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When we have the ball our shape is like a big rectangle with nobody in the middle, nobody near each other, nobody showing for the ball. A central pass = insta-pass back. Late-stage Michael Bradley stuff. Bleak. Good on Panama so far they are hungry and pouncing **shakes fist at trekfan**.
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