Want nothing to do with him. I’ll be very disappointed if they now turn around and trade two 1s so they can pay a headache diva $20M a year.I will give my left nut for OBJ. I love him so much.
Certainly possible but less so than years past. In theory, I could see the Pats looking for a player at a premium position (QB, LT) but if they just think this draft has immediate starters 40-50 deep, then I could absolutely see BB going for 5 picks between rounds 2-3.Bill is more likely to trade both firsts for multiple 2nds 3rds and 4ths throughout the night than trade up for Rosen.
I don't disagree in principle, but I'd cap the time aspect at 5 years (length of rookie contracts I believe). Once a player can earn market rate, a lot changes regardless if he is a starting QB (look no farther than Russ Wilson in Seattle).The 2018 draft was already going to be their most important since probably 2012 and got even more important with this move. The next 10 years may rest on this draft
Who?Why on earth would they turn around now and trade for ODB? Sure he is better than Cooks but brings a bunch of nonsense with him and he wants to get paid $20 million a year. The Pats never pay top price for players at their position, so they aren't trading 2 firsts for the right to pay ODB with how many holes this team has on defense/LT
Well, aside from the years and all it made perfect sense!Run that by me again?
I went from a joke about taking a flyer on him for 20 bucks to remembering he's dead to finding out he died 13 years ago...I'm not ready to start feeling old damn itWho?
You won’t be disappointed.Want nothing to do with him. I’ll be very disappointed if they now turn around and trade two 1s so they can pay a headache diva $20M a year.
They WANT two #1s. Doesn't mean they'd get that.Want nothing to do with him. I’ll be very disappointed if they now turn around and trade two 1s so they can pay a headache diva $20M a year.
Not me ... because it's only for short-term gain, if that. They have multiple needs and have won with far less of a receiving corps than they have nowThey WANT two #1s. Doesn't mean they'd get that.
LaCanfora aside, would you (or anyone) trade 1 of th #1s and 1 of the #2s?
I would absolutely trade 31/63 for OBJ. If you squeezed my arm, I could be talked into 23/63. The Pats have won 5 SBs. There isn’t much more that they can do that we haven’t seen. For me, it’s all about entertainment now that Brady got #5. I know we’d all love to have a nice 30 year reign of terror but that isn’t going to happen. Brady will retire. Belichick will retire. And both of their replacements won’t be nearly as good. And I accept that. Right now, I want to watch the most fun product possible while Brady has still got it. And watching Brady throw to Gronk, Beckham, Edelman, etc. would be freaking awesome.They WANT two #1s. Doesn't mean they'd get that.
LaCanfora aside, would you (or anyone) trade 1 of th #1s and 1 of the #2s?
Haha this is why I shouldn't post this late at night. The question is: If Edelman and Mitchell effectively replace Cooks and Amendola..... which duo would you rather have for the Patriots?Where’s the question?
I mean, they were a fluke play away from going undefeated with Randy Moss with a defense that was far from dominant. They clearly don’t need a stud WR to win but adding one certainly has value. Whether it has enough value to justify the price tag, I don’t know. And I certainly don’t reject the counter arguments.I’m all for making out the window, but that trade would be for one year. They aren’t paying him $18-20M on an extension. No thanks. The offense can run just fine without a stud receiver. Edelman is probably the best we’ve had and won with.
Cooks/Amendola.Haha this is why I shouldn't post this late at night. The question is: If Edelman and Mitchell effectively replace Cooks and Amendola..... which duo would you rather have for the Patriots?
I think they're expecting Edelman + Dorsett/Patterson/Kenny Britt/Mitchell to replace the production, the possession plays at X and deep threats. Seems reasonablePossible FA WR out there still....
Eric Decker
Jeremy Maclin
Charles Johnson
Michael Floyd
Jordan Matthews
Brandon Coleman
Decker would probably be effective right off the bat. Maclin would be interesting. So would Matthews.
A question for the group here.... The Pats will effectively be replacing Cooks and Amendola with - if they're healthy enough to play - Edelman and Mitchell.
2016 Edelman: 98 rec, 1106 yds, 11.3 avg, 3 td
2016 Mitchell: 32 rec, 401 yds, 12.5 avg, 4 td
2017 Cooks: 65 rec, 1082 yds, 16.6 avg, 7 td
2017 Amendola: 61 rec, 659 yds, 10.8 avg, 2 td
Traditionally, yes most receivers drafted, even those taken early, take 2-3 years to be full contributors. There are exceptions of course but I wouldn't expect much out of a receiver. Part of that is on the receiver though. Courtland Sutton, for example, runs limited routes in a different style of offense and isn't the smoothest route runner so it would take him longer in theory.Aren’t receivers generally not high performing in their first year?
That would be a human comedy.If it happens, we'll chip in and get you an honorary ball sack
I don't recall Mr. Ara's son asking for grapes.That would be a human comedy.
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Patriots attempted to re-sign WR Brandin Cooks before talks broke off. Rams now will continue those talks with the intent to sign Cooks to a long-term deal, per sources.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. They wanted to re-sign Cooks in their terms, but had a trade already lined up if that didn’t happen.He also said this deal was a month in the making.
Yeah I said 10 just because of the QB aspect. If they don't draft The Heir then I would agree it will shape the next 5 years.I don't disagree in principle, but I'd cap the time aspect at 5 years (length of rookie contracts I believe). Once a player can earn market rate, a lot changes regardless if he is a starting QB (look no farther than Russ Wilson in Seattle).
That used to be the case but in 2014 we saw Mike Evans, OBJ, Kelvin Benjamin, Cooks, Allen Robinson and to a lesser extent Sammy Watkins all contribute significantly.Aren’t receivers generally not high performing in their first year?
Not really. Cooks has 4 years of borderline pro bowl-level play of experience and a full year left while Jimmy had 6 quarters experience and half a season on his deal.Hard to believe they got 20 picks higher for Cooks than Garappolo.
Going to be harder to believe when they trade Jimmy G, Cooks and their own 1st to move up for a rookie QB...Hard to believe they got 20 picks higher for Cooks than Garappolo.
I wasn't insinuating any different. I was adding additional info.The two aren’t mutually exclusive. They wanted to re-sign Cooks in their terms, but had a trade already lined up if that didn’t happen.
I don't think they'll do it, but thats the math that gets them close to the the 5th pick.Going to be harder to believe when they trade Jimmy G, Cooks and their own 1st to move up for a rookie QB...
And that’s not likely to cut it, if your aim is the top three, Barkley notwithstanding. Already you’re talking their own first, the Rams’ first, and SF’s second. Anyone advocate adding another top pick to the pot to make this happen? With the evident needs our team already has??I don't think they'll do it, but thats the math that gets them close to the the 5th pick.
Garoppolo had less film on him starting in the NFL; I'd say the variance on his expected performance would be higher, even if his team impact is amplified. We had fewer suitors available mid-season than you do in the offseason. But most importantly, he only had a half-year of below-market team control remaining, while Cooks has a full year (+offseason).Hard to believe they got 20 picks higher for Cooks than Garappolo..
And who they would pay, what, 15M less this year and have under contract for at least another 3 years, about when Brady may retire?Going to be harder to believe when they trade Jimmy G, Cooks and their own 1st to move up for a rookie QB...
Agreed. SB wasn’t his finest showing obviously but he was huge in AFCCG. But end of the day, tough to justify paying big money for a 65 catch guy who isn’t a big red zone threat.I know why they did this but I am going to miss Cooks. He played hard, and made some big plays.
How are they going to keep any picks in the first or 2nd round while moving up to the top 2-5?They're going to move up and get Chubb and draft QB with whatever pick in rounds 1 and 2 that they have left.