NY Times reporting that Mitch McConnell has gone to bat for Louisville, so now UL and WVU are 50-50 to get the next Big 12 spot
Conference Realignment Thread
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Totally disgusted by this whole ordeal. On Tuesday we were all happy that we were out of the BE and in the B12. Then within 24 hours this happens. I know a lot of people at WVU are mad that the senators from WV are now involved, but at this point we are fighting for our lives. It's helped other schools when the pols get involved (VT and Utah), so I guess they can rummage around too. Just sick about this whole thing.
Why doesn't the B12 take both Louisville and West Virginia and get on with it. Two markets they don't have already with good fan bases. Its a no brainer to take them both.
They are afraid of a conference championship game upset ruining their BCS hopes.
I think it more has to do with splitting TV revenues 12 ways vs. 10. I don't know much about both schools but I was excited about the chance to add WVU. Was reading somewhere yesterday that Tubberville was complaining about the longer trip to Morgantown...
Well it appears that Jay Rockefeller is greenlighting the Robert Byrd memorial runway extension, so this puppy may be back on track.
WV senators are doing their due diligence, but they're ultimately as much in favor of WVU to the Big 12 as anyone. Relax and wait 10 days, there's been nothing said in the last week that isn't going to work out well for you.
Oh I know, this whole ordeal has just been draining is all and I'm ready for this realignment crap to be over.
WVU is in. Louisville gets no invite.
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32980106
http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32980106
BYU to Big East Talks heat up
Now that WVU is officially leaving might BYU fill it's shoes in the Big East/West?
Creating two divisions East/West? west would include Boise, BYU, Air Force, Houston, SMU and move Louisville or Cincy to the West while adding Central Florida to the East?
Desperation move but the BE has to do what it can no matter what the geography looks like. And quite frankly this football conference would be better than the one that had Pitt, Syracuse and WVU.
Now that WVU is officially leaving might BYU fill it's shoes in the Big East/West?
Creating two divisions East/West? west would include Boise, BYU, Air Force, Houston, SMU and move Louisville or Cincy to the West while adding Central Florida to the East?
Desperation move but the BE has to do what it can no matter what the geography looks like. And quite frankly this football conference would be better than the one that had Pitt, Syracuse and WVU.
That would be a very good conference for the Big 12 if it actually controlled that long stretch of land (BIg 10 country) in between WVU and Iowa St.This shouldn't be news to most, but here's a handy graphic (lifted from EDSBS) showing the current projected alignments of the Big12 and SEC as current expansion plans stand.
Looks like Missouri is lined up to be the pre-1994 Atlanta Braves.
In terms of Mizzou. Yeah they are a bit of an outlier. Obviously Arkansas is the closest team to them so it stinks they are on other halfs, but once you get past arkansas.
Looks like AUburn, Bama and Miss St are not really much if any closer that Kentucky, Vandy and Tenn are. And Georgia and USC are about the same distance away as A&M and LSU are. The only huge difference is instead of getting a nice close opponent in Ole Miss or Arkansas, they have a very distant opponent in Florida
Man, all I can really see in that graphic is how impressive the SEC West is compared to the East. Who is the powerhouse in the east?
The East is down a little bit these days, but you do have Florida, UT and UGa.
It has only been about 10 years since it was the other way around. I think LSU finally broke the ice for the West in 2001. Prior to that you have to go back to early 90s Bama to find a West champ. The power will likely shift back to the East at some point, like when Saban goes away.
The key is whether or not Tennessee is just in a down cycle, or actually just isn't that good outside of the early Fulmer period. In which case, you'd have 4 teams in the West (LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Arkansas), or even 5 (depending on A&M) that would be better on at least a semi-regular basis than the 3rd best team in the East.
But does Arkansas really belong there in the conversation or are they on a historic upswing. Not sure long term I am willing to concede that Arkansas is now on that top level of programs.
But you are right, I don't know if Tenn will ever be back to that perennial championship contender again. And USC seems to me like they have a ceiling on how good they can be.
Not the best match-up unless you are talking Baseball/Softball/Golf because the BIG XII doesn't even sponsor several of the sports that Notre Dame offers.
It's not a better basketball conference for either Men's or Women's Hoops.
The M/W Cross-Country is not any better.
In the state of Texas, Lacrosse & Soccer players are tied to bumpers of pick-up trucks and dragged thru the streets until death so only women's Lacrosse exists for Title IX reasons.
ND Football is independent with it's own TV deal with NBC.
ND hockey is in the Hockey East and with it's own TV deal with NBC.
Fencing...ok we know this isn't about Fencing..lol
Notre Dame would be better off just playing Texas in everything and staying where they are for Olympic Sports.
If they are going anywhere, it's to the ACC for all sports.
(I didn't bother to check TCU & WVU if they bring anything new so they arent included in the break-downs)
BIG XII SPONSORED SPORTS
Baseball
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Men's Cross Country
Women's Cross Country
Equestrian
Football
Men's Golf
Women's Golf
Gymnastics
Women's Rowing (only 4 schools offer W.Rowing & just sponsored their first Conference Championship in 2011)
Women's Soccer
Softball
?? Swimming & Diving ??? = ONLY Texas remains for Men's. ONLY Texas, Iowa State, Kansas has Women's now that Missouri/Texas A&M took both M&W programs away.
Men's Tennis (5 teams left)
Women's Tennis
Indoor Track & Field
Outdoor Track & Field
Volleyball
Wrestling
NOTRE DAME SPORTS:
XXX Football
Baseball
Men's Basketball
Women's Basketball
Men's Cross Country
Women's Cross Country
>>> Fencing
Men's Golf
Women's Golf
>>> Hockey
>>> Men's Lacrosse
>>> Women's Lacrosse
>>> Men's Soccer
Women's Soccer
Softball
>>> Men's Swimming & Diving
??? Women's Swimming & Diving
Men's Tennis
Women's Tennis
Indoor Track & Field
Outdoor Track & Field
Women's Rowing
Volleyball
Lacrosse isn't that big a deal considering that the Big East is a very recent development that's likely to go away again now that Syracuse is moving out. I presume the GWLL is still there. Heck, even the ACC programs will still be independent.
Men's soccer is the really notable sport which would go from having a home (one of the best conferences going prior to the disintegration of the Big East) to having to scramble.
Men's soccer is the really notable sport which would go from having a home (one of the best conferences going prior to the disintegration of the Big East) to having to scramble.
The formation of the BE League is recent. The sponsoring of the sport at most of those schools is not. They have been playing Men's Lacrosse at many of those schools for several decades. The formation of sanctioned League has to do with getting an AQ to the NCAA tournament and that AQ is now even more open to the other members with the loss of powerhouse Syracuse.
Syracuse leaving has no affect on the number of BE Lacrosse schools because it's only ONE school out of 7 that currently play Big East Men's Lacrosse and ONE out of 9 that plays Women's Lacrosse. The Conference adds Marquette after next Spring in both Men's & Women's Lacrosse which keeps the numbers the same for now.
In Men's Soccer, WVU is a strong team but Pitt & Syracuse were 2 of the 3 the weakest teams in a 16 team Conference this year.
Thanks for the correction. I assumed that there were only six BE men's lacrosse schools, which was certainly careless of me.
I was thinking more about the general uncertainty about a few of the schools remaining in the conference. You're right about the departures that have already happened, but with Louisville, UConn, and Rutgers all nosing about departing, that could change quickly. Hence my comment about the strength of the conference pre-disintegration. If it turns out that nobody else does leave, then the Big East would indeed remain one of the top men's soccer conferences.
Big East inviting Boise State, Navy and Air Force for football only and SMU, Houston and Central Florida for all sports.
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7177969
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7177969
So it's still fairly week in football, badly diluted in basketball, and makes no sense from a regional perspective. This one's going to last a long time.
Why the hell didn't we invite East Carolina? Does the Providence group just hate all schools that make regional sense?
So apparently Boise is trying to find a home for its Olympic sports, and the most likely landing spots are the WCC or the WAC. It'll be kinda funny if they go back to the WAC for everything but football.
Losing WVU to the Big 12 is the final nail in the coffin for the AQ status of BE football. The only teams left from what once was the BE are UConn, Cincy, Louisville, Rutgers and USF. You add to that Boise, SMU, Houston, UCF, Temple, Navy and Army I submit that conference lineup is no better than the MWC. Honestly how different is San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, New Mexico, UNLV, TCU and Wyoming from what they are proposing for the future BE? I mean isn't it really C-USA with some mid and lower level BE football programs thrown in??? That never rose to the level of AQ in the past.
If Boise stays in the MWC and perhaps grabs Houston and SMU and the BE takes Temple and East Carolina along with the other mentioned schools, I think the MWC takes the BE AQ status. The BE only had it because it was in the large eastern media markets and needed those markets for bowl viewership and advertising revenue. The ACC now has the Eastern seaboard, from New England to Florida covered. The BCS no longer needs the BE for that purpose. If I am UConn, I do anything to get out of the BE...but where do the end up? C-USA with the hoops in the A-10?
If Boise stays in the MWC and perhaps grabs Houston and SMU and the BE takes Temple and East Carolina along with the other mentioned schools, I think the MWC takes the BE AQ status. The BE only had it because it was in the large eastern media markets and needed those markets for bowl viewership and advertising revenue. The ACC now has the Eastern seaboard, from New England to Florida covered. The BCS no longer needs the BE for that purpose. If I am UConn, I do anything to get out of the BE...but where do the end up? C-USA with the hoops in the A-10?
For UConn, as seems to have been the case the last few months, hope and pray the ACC invites you. Not the best case scenario, for sure. And I'm giving it about a 30% chance to happens. That's probably optimistic.
I love the fact WVU is suing the BE because of the incompetence of the Commissioner's office. I'd bet Clears Cleaver would be willing to make a contribution to WVU's legal offense fund for this cause. :lol:
I love the fact WVU is suing the BE because of the incompetence of the Commissioner's office. I'd bet Clears Cleaver would be willing to make a contribution to WVU's legal offense fund for this cause. :lol:
What do we know for certain about the structure of the BCS after 2014?
Maybe there's some NCAA memo I've missed, but I don't see the point of adding Boise State to the Big East (or all those Texas schools). If the only benefit is getting a UConn-type winner into the BCS bowls when it isn't deserved, is that worth trashing any semblance of what we used to think of as a conference?
I don't think the top four conferences are going to make it all that easy for the revamped Big East.
Maybe there's some NCAA memo I've missed, but I don't see the point of adding Boise State to the Big East (or all those Texas schools). If the only benefit is getting a UConn-type winner into the BCS bowls when it isn't deserved, is that worth trashing any semblance of what we used to think of as a conference?
I don't think the top four conferences are going to make it all that easy for the revamped Big East.
I've been a Big Ten fan for my entire life. Our counting ability is well documented.
As long as the Big Twelve keeps Texas and Oklahoma happy, five.
Yeah, it's kind of odd you aren't counting one of the conferences raiding the Big East as a threat to the Big East.
As far as voting structure goes, the BCS needs more than half the teams in FBS to be in a AQ leagues when they vote on the next BCS (unless those AQ leagues break apart
) If there are more teams outside of AQ, then those schools would have more voting power to decide how the next BCS would be structured. By 2014 , minus the Big East, there will be either 64 or 65 teams in AQ leagues (counting ND, and depending on WVU). There will be 123 teams in FBS starting next year, so the remaining AQ leagues would have the votes to push the Big East out and still have more than 50% voting power
First off TCU is not in the MWC anymore. Secondly losing Boise to BE pretty much assures that MWC has no chance at all of stealing the AQ bid from the Big East. There is a formula that is in place until 2015. I am not sure the other conferences are going to be running to destroy the system they have every school in the country signed off on to eliminate the Big East from a bowl game. It wouldn't benefit them any and why piss off the biggest basketball conference in the country?
Even if they do 6 teams in each division, the travel will be horrendous. Each division would have 3 teams making one cross-country trip a year, and 3 teams making TWO cross-country trips a year. If ever a conference needed 7+ teams in each division, it's this one.
This would make the most sense, since the 7 western schools could then make their own conference for other sports. But the Big East a) waited too long to invite anyone, b) didn't want to invite more schools, and c) offered full membership to SMU and Houston, the football-only western schools have to scramble to find homes for other sports.
This would make the most sense, since the 7 western schools could then make their own conference for other sports. But the Big East a) waited too long to invite anyone, b) didn't want to invite more schools, and c) offered full membership to SMU and Houston, the football-only western schools have to scramble to find homes for other sports.
First, I know TCU is heading to the Big 12. My point is quite simple....the caliber of football teams in the MWC are as good if not better than the teams that are left in the BE as well as the C-USA teams they are talking about bringing in. But if I recall, TCU was going to the BE till it imploded. TCU currently IS a member of the MWC. Second Boise is still in the MWC by the way. Third, Football drives the bus in college sports as this whole conference realignment thing shows.They could care less what the BE basketball conference thinks. They will tell them to shut up and deal with it. Where is the BE hoops going to go? That's right, no where but where the BCS schools tell them to go. Fourth, I don't think you can say wityh any great certainty that the BE, after this season, will be the best basketball conference in the country. I think that crown will be passed to Tobacco Road, especially if WVU wins their freedom from the BE in their lawsuit. PItt and Syracuse will just go into court and seek the same thing using WVU as a precedent. and be playing in the ACC next year.
This is what is left of the BE for football schools: UConn, Cincy, Louisville, USF, Rutgers. They add Boise (a MWC school) and a bunch of C-USA schools. That is any more qualified than the merged C-USA/MWC? The combined C-USA/MWC and the "new and improved" BE, absent Bosie are dead even in talent and competition on the football field. If you throw BYU into the MWC, then I say over the long haul the MWC/C-USA is more competittve. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if UConn hadn't been shut out of the ACC. Too bad, UConn football ends up in a second tier D1 league out of the BCS bowl picture by 2015 and the hoops team slowly evaporates as the last non BCS team to win the NCAA title was Villanova in 1985. Never should have filed that lawsuit Huskies!
The last refuge of joy for a BC football fan: Make pithy comments about the cow college to the south.
Mathematically yes. It is done by a formula. I know numbers are hard to grasp for a BC grad.
2 things
1 TRic, despite Bernie shares math skills with this BC Guy, he is a 'Cuse grad
2 Mizzo official to SEC
Per the SEC Media Relations office ...
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (November 6, 2011) – The Southeastern Conference Presidents and Chancellors, acting unanimously, announced today that the University of Missouri will join the Southeastern Conference effective July 1, 2012, with competition to begin in all sports for the 2012-13 academic year.
The addition of Missouri will increase SEC membership to 14 institutions. The additions of Texas A&M, announced on September 25, 2011, and Missouri, are the first expansions for the SEC since September of 1991 when the University of South Carolina joined the league. The University of Arkansas joined the SEC in August of 1991. With the addition of Arkansas and South Carolina, the SEC was the first conference to split into divisions and add a conference championship game in 1992.
“The Presidents and Chancellors of the Southeastern Conference are pleased to welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC,” said Dr. Bernie Machen, President of the SEC Presidents and Chancellors and president of the University of Florida. “The University of Missouri is a prestigious academic institution with a strong athletic tradition and a culture similar to our current institutions.”
“The Southeastern Conference is a highly successful, stable, premier athletic conference that offers exciting opportunities for the University of Missouri,” said Chancellor Brady J. Deaton. “In joining the SEC, MU partners with universities distinguished for their academic programs and their emphasis on student success. The SEC will provide our student-athletes with top flight competition and unparalleled visibility. We came to this decision after careful consideration of the long term best interests of our university. We believe the Southeastern Conference is an outstanding home for the Mizzou Tigers, and we take great pride in our association with this distinguished league.”
Missouri, located in Columbia, will also be the fourth institution in the Southeastern Conference to hold membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, joining University of Florida, Texas A&M University and Vanderbilt University. Missouri has an enrollment of 33,800 students, which would be the fourth largest institution in the SEC, with Florida, Georgia and Texas A&M having a larger student body. There are more than 260,000 “Mizzou” alumni around the world. The State of Missouri borders three SEC states: Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas, and they bring an existing rivalry with former conference foe Texas A&M.
Missouri athletic teams have excelled recently. Its men’s basketball team has made it to the NCAA Tournament three straight seasons and 24 times overall. The Tiger football team has been to post-season bowl games for six straight years and 28 times overall. The softball team has participated in the College World Series each of the last three seasons. The Tigers have won Big 12 Championships in men’s basketball, soccer and softball.
“I am pleased to officially welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC family on behalf of our presidents, chancellors, athletics directors, students and fans,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “Missouri is an outstanding academic institution with a strong athletic program. We look forward to having the Tigers compete in our league starting in 2012.”
The Tigers sponsor 20 varsity sports. Men’s sports include baseball, basketball, football, golf, swimming and diving, wrestling, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country. Women’s sports include basketball, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country and volleyball. Missouri participates in every sport sponsored by the SEC except men’s tennis and the SEC sponsors every sport the Tigers participate in except wrestling.
1 TRic, despite Bernie shares math skills with this BC Guy, he is a 'Cuse grad
2 Mizzo official to SEC
Per the SEC Media Relations office ...
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (November 6, 2011) – The Southeastern Conference Presidents and Chancellors, acting unanimously, announced today that the University of Missouri will join the Southeastern Conference effective July 1, 2012, with competition to begin in all sports for the 2012-13 academic year.
The addition of Missouri will increase SEC membership to 14 institutions. The additions of Texas A&M, announced on September 25, 2011, and Missouri, are the first expansions for the SEC since September of 1991 when the University of South Carolina joined the league. The University of Arkansas joined the SEC in August of 1991. With the addition of Arkansas and South Carolina, the SEC was the first conference to split into divisions and add a conference championship game in 1992.
“The Presidents and Chancellors of the Southeastern Conference are pleased to welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC,” said Dr. Bernie Machen, President of the SEC Presidents and Chancellors and president of the University of Florida. “The University of Missouri is a prestigious academic institution with a strong athletic tradition and a culture similar to our current institutions.”
“The Southeastern Conference is a highly successful, stable, premier athletic conference that offers exciting opportunities for the University of Missouri,” said Chancellor Brady J. Deaton. “In joining the SEC, MU partners with universities distinguished for their academic programs and their emphasis on student success. The SEC will provide our student-athletes with top flight competition and unparalleled visibility. We came to this decision after careful consideration of the long term best interests of our university. We believe the Southeastern Conference is an outstanding home for the Mizzou Tigers, and we take great pride in our association with this distinguished league.”
Missouri, located in Columbia, will also be the fourth institution in the Southeastern Conference to hold membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities, joining University of Florida, Texas A&M University and Vanderbilt University. Missouri has an enrollment of 33,800 students, which would be the fourth largest institution in the SEC, with Florida, Georgia and Texas A&M having a larger student body. There are more than 260,000 “Mizzou” alumni around the world. The State of Missouri borders three SEC states: Tennessee, Kentucky and Arkansas, and they bring an existing rivalry with former conference foe Texas A&M.
Missouri athletic teams have excelled recently. Its men’s basketball team has made it to the NCAA Tournament three straight seasons and 24 times overall. The Tiger football team has been to post-season bowl games for six straight years and 28 times overall. The softball team has participated in the College World Series each of the last three seasons. The Tigers have won Big 12 Championships in men’s basketball, soccer and softball.
“I am pleased to officially welcome the University of Missouri to the SEC family on behalf of our presidents, chancellors, athletics directors, students and fans,” said SEC Commissioner Mike Slive. “Missouri is an outstanding academic institution with a strong athletic program. We look forward to having the Tigers compete in our league starting in 2012.”
The Tigers sponsor 20 varsity sports. Men’s sports include baseball, basketball, football, golf, swimming and diving, wrestling, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country. Women’s sports include basketball, golf, gymnastics, soccer, softball, swimming and diving, tennis, indoor and outdoor track and field and cross country and volleyball. Missouri participates in every sport sponsored by the SEC except men’s tennis and the SEC sponsors every sport the Tigers participate in except wrestling.