Chargers will stay in San Diego for 2016 season

soxhop411

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“@AdamSchefter: Rams to LA, with Chargers getting first crack through Jan 16, 2017, then Raiders have preference, per sources.”

“@JasonLaCanfora: Indeed, hearing USC signed off on two NFL teams sharing LA Coliseum starting as soon as 2016. Wow”

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Alex Flanagan ‏@Alex_Flanagan 4m4 minutes ago
NFL has framework of a stadium deal between the rams/chargers. Chargers vetting it now and barring anything unforeseen, plan on going to LA
 
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“@CharlesRobinson: #Dolphins Stephen Ross says #Chargers delay on LA move gives them chance to work out a stadium in San Diego.”
 

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It will be interesting to see what the Chargers do. They probably have the juice to get a downtown stadium in San Diego if they want to crawl back. Spanos was all-in on LA, but he hates Kroenke with a fiery passion. I'm sure there's not much use to being rich if it means having a landlord you despise.
 

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“@JasonColeBR: #Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said both #Chargers and #Raiders will each get $100M additional funds if they stay in current markets”

“@AndrewBrandt: Resolution: Rams move to LA, Inglewood venue. Chargers have option to move there for one year, then option reverts to Raiders. Voting now.”
 
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Football here in L.A. Whoop de doo!

On second thought, does anyone know when the Patriots are due to play the NFC West in the regular season?
 

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“@JasonLaCanfora: Mark davis’ ”this is not a win for the Raiders today… We’ll see where the raider nation ends up here. We’re looking for a home.“”

Mark Davis Is PISSED
 

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Patriots play the Rams next season but at Gillette. Too bad. A road trip to see the Patriots play at the LA Coliseum would have been cool for Pats fans.
 

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Football here in L.A. Whoop de doo!

On second thought, does anyone know when the Patriots are due to play the NFC West in the regular season?
Next season, not sure if the Rams is home or away for them though.

Edit: And beaten to it.
 

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“@judybattista: Chargers could go to Inglewood as either partner or tenant. Same for Raiders if Chargers decline.”
 

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So the Chargers may spend a lame duck season in San Diego in the hopes of maybe getting a stadium there? and then if not move to LA? I expect Chargers fans to dwindle even further if they stay for 2016 season. They should just move now and be done with it.

As for Raiders they were best team to move to LA. But with Warriors moving to San Francisco eventually, maybe the solution is to use parking lot at Raiders current stadium including maybe a torn down Oracle Arena and build something there. With 49ers moving well outside San Francisco, Raiders at least have close proximity to downtown areas of both cities
 

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If it ends up being just the Rams in LA, it's crazy how much better the Fox/NFC package will be than CBS/AFC. Top 15 TV markets:

1-NY (Shared)
2-LA (NFC)
3-Chicago (NFC)
4-Philly (NFC)
5-Dallas/Ft Worth (NFC)
6-SF/Oak (Shared)
7-Boston (AFC)
8-Atlanta (NFC)
9-Washington (NFC)
10-Houston (AFC)
11-Detroit (NFC)
12-Phoenix (NFC)
13-Tampa/St Pete (NFC)
14-Seattle (NFC)
15-Minneapolis/St Paul (NFC)
 

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Should Kraft move the Rams game to London in exchange for the swindled draft picks back?
 

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If it ends up being just the Rams in LA, it's crazy how much better the Fox/NFC package will be than CBS/AFC. Top 15 TV markets:

1-NY (Shared)
2-LA (NFC)
3-Chicago (NFC)
4-Philly (NFC)
5-Dallas/Ft Worth (NFC)
6-SF/Oak (Shared)
7-Boston (AFC)
8-Atlanta (NFC)
9-Washington (NFC)
10-Houston (AFC)
11-Detroit (NFC)
12-Phoenix (NFC)
13-Tampa/St Pete (NFC)
14-Seattle (NFC)
15-Minneapolis/St Paul (NFC)
In general I don't doubt your point but you can't just count the main DMA to figure out the TV market - for example Houston and Miami have huge DMAs next to them in San Antonio and Ft Lauderdale that likely also show Texans and Dolphins games.
 

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Ask the Rams players if they'd rather stay in lower-tax St. Louis than head out to LA. See how many hands get raised.
 

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Ask the Rams players if they'd rather stay in lower-tax St. Louis than head out to LA. See how many hands get raised.
I suspect you'd be surprised how much 20-something guys value being near LA for both social and weather reasons.
 

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I suspect you'd be surprised how much 20-something guys value being near LA for both social and weather reasons.
That was the point.The CPA quoted above was touting the tax advantages of staying in MO,
 

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If it ends up being just the Rams in LA, it's crazy how much better the Fox/NFC package will be than CBS/AFC. Top 15 TV markets:

1-NY (Shared)
2-LA (NFC)
3-Chicago (NFC)
4-Philly (NFC)
5-Dallas/Ft Worth (NFC)
6-SF/Oak (Shared)
7-Boston (AFC)
8-Atlanta (NFC)
9-Washington (NFC)
10-Houston (AFC)
11-Detroit (NFC)
12-Phoenix (NFC)
13-Tampa/St Pete (NFC)
14-Seattle (NFC)
15-Minneapolis/St Paul (NFC)

Isn't the network determined by the visiting team?
 

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I've been a fan of the Rams my whole life. They moved to St. Louis the year I graduated college. I stuck with them, was in the stadium when they beat the Titans in Super Bowl XXXIV, and have seen them play against the 49ers in SF more times than I can count. I feel for fans in St. Louis, I went through the same thing 21 years ago. It's pretty surreal having them back in California, though. Not only will I never have to explain what connection I have to St. Louis again (especially when I have a pretty healthy dislike of the Cardinals), I can now watch a lot more of their games at 1 PM local time rather than being in a bar at 10 AM most Sundays.
 

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My LA Rams memories are pretty hazy...

That time Jim Rome called Jim Everett Chris Everett.
Those two years when Flipper Anderson was amazing.
Their cheerleaders were totally based.
That time in the SB when you knew they would choke to the Steelers.

That's all I got.
 

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My LA Rams memories are pretty hazy...

That time Jim Rome called Jim Everett Chris Everett.
Those two years when Flipper Anderson was amazing.
Their cheerleaders were totally based.
That time in the SB when you knew they would choke to the Steelers.

That's all I got.
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I guess I will need to pay for Sunday ticket now that the marque Games will be blacked out.
 

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If it ends up being just the Rams in LA, it's crazy how much better the Fox/NFC package will be than CBS/AFC. Top 15 TV markets:

1-NY (Shared)
2-LA (NFC)
3-Chicago (NFC)
4-Philly (NFC)
5-Dallas/Ft Worth (NFC)
6-SF/Oak (Shared)
7-Boston (AFC)
8-Atlanta (NFC)
9-Washington (NFC)
10-Houston (AFC)
11-Detroit (NFC)
12-Phoenix (NFC)
13-Tampa/St Pete (NFC)
14-Seattle (NFC)
15-Minneapolis/St Paul (NFC)

This is consistent with history. The NFL came first and had the bigger cities, and it eventually became the NFC (mostly). The AFL, predecessor of the AFC (mostly), had to first grow in markets that had been ignored/underserved by the NFL. So it's not surprising that the NFC still has the bigger cities, and even the #1 team in two split markets (NYC and Bay Area).
 

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I remember some epic tailgate parties in the Anaheim stadium parking lot in the 80's when I use to come out and visit my brother. We would attend some preseason games when the Patriots made the trip. When I moved to Orange County in the early 90's the city or the team banned alcohol in the parking lot and cut the time down when you could arrive. All our friends gave up their season tickets and universally hated Georgia Frontiere. When the team moved to St. Louis I never really worked up any sympathy. I figured Anaheim stole them from LA, St. Louis stole them from Anaheim. There are some old timers that will be very happy to see them back in the coliseum, at least for a year or two.
 

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So how long after the Raiders' and Chargers' futures are locked up (in LA or not) will the London expansion team be announced? 48 Hours?
 

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So how long after the Raiders' and Chargers' futures are locked up (in LA or not) will the London expansion team be announced? 48 Hours?
The Jaguars aren't in the discussion, I don't think LA would hold it up. Still think London is a bad idea, but Jacksonville was worse
 

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They can't do expansion until the Raiders and Chargers are figured out.

I also have to figure Shad Kahn will take the St Louis deal sooner rather than later.
 

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So the most disappointing thing about this for a Raiders fan is that we still don't know a damn thing. I figure the chances of Spanos taking LA are about 75-80%, but he is just as invested in his "I won't partner with Kroenke" position as he is in his "I can't go back to San Diego" position. The Chargers sent out this email to their season ticket holders last night that was non-committal:

The reason I think there is a 25% chance Spanos doesn't go to LA is that he doesn't have $500M to immediately invest in partnering with Kroenke, he would have to take the $1 a year lease option in Inglewood and cede all input to stadium / site design and lose the ancillary revenues the site generates. I think Mark Davis would take that deal in a cocaine heartbeat, but there is a chance Spanos does not.

The third option that noone is discussing is that now is the time for Spanos to self if he is going to do that. He would be selling an NFL franchise with an option to move to Los Angeles. That is worth $2B. Anyone who can afford that freight (Ellison?) can also afford the partner costs with Kroenke in Inglewood. So I guess my Chargers breakdown is this:

-Moves to LA under Spanos - 50%
-Moves to LA after being sold for a ton of money - 25%
-Stays in San Diego mostly out of spite - 25%

For us Raider fans, the answer is "who fucking knows." The Raiders will probably re-up their lease for one year, and would certainly take the tenant deal in Inglewood instantly, but beyond that anything is possible. Several people have noted that, if the Chargers move, San Diego has to be very attractive to him, certainly more than San Antonio. I assume the Raiders will explore Portland and Vegas (which would be perfect, but never happen) and I doubt San Antonio is something McNair and Jones would let happen.

If the city of Oakland compromised with Marc and gave him an acceptable portion of the land, (call it 110 of the 160 acres of the current site) and paid for $100m in infrastructure, as well as ate the still hanging Mt Davis costs, Marc would still need to find $500M to finish the project. The A's with their 10 year lease would also need to be bought off the land, though the Warrior move in 2017. It is easy to see why Oakland doesn't look that much more promising with an extra $100M in Marc's pocket.

EDIT:

As Florio pointed out this morning, Stan Kroenke has no real incentive to play nice with his future partner. His motivation now is to make coming to LA as unappealing as possible to Spanos without getting sanctioned by the rest of the ownership:

And before they can move to Inglewood, the Chargers have to work out a deal with the Rams and owner Stan Kroenke. Given the recent example of the manner in which Kroenke negotiates with a city he claims to love, how will he negotiate with a partner who also will become a competitor?

Lost in the flow chart the NFL devised on Wednesday in giving Kroenke the first golden ticket to L.A. is the fact that he now controls whether the second golden ticket ever will be used.

Here's the big question: Will the LA Rams go back to the royal blue and yellow?
They should go back to the royal blue and white.

 
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Reading Peter King's breathless recitation of this—all of Jerrah's chest beating, Spanos and Davis' resentment and how bitter the St. Louis and San Diego fan bases are—I can't help but be reminded that this whole LA move fiasco is yet another chapter in Goodell's awful, miserable march toward destroying the game so many people love.

Which isn't to say the league used to handle moves better in the good old days—they clearly didn't—but that if the league were run by people who were actually qualified for the job, they would have seen this as more than a financial opportunity — but also a cultural one that could help people better understand things like the modern economics of the game and what football teams mean to their respective fanbases.

Instead, "Football is family." GJGE, Roger.
 

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Reading Peter King's breathless recitation of this—all of Jerrah's chest beating, Spanos and Davis' resentment and how bitter the St. Louis and San Diego fan bases are—I can't help but be reminded that this whole LA move fiasco is yet another chapter in Goodell's awful, miserable march toward destroying the game so many people love.

Which isn't to say the league used to handle moves better in the good old days—they clearly didn't—but that if the league were run by people who were actually qualified for the job, they would have seen this as more than a financial opportunity — but also a cultural one that could help people better understand things like the modern economics of the game and what football teams mean to their respective fanbases.

Instead, "Football is family." GJGE, Roger.
I don't think Goodell handled this that badly. Educating people on the modern economics of the game would mean having people realize that public funding of football stadiums is generally a bad idea, which isn't in the league's interests.