Champions League, Round of 16

SocrManiac

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Atletico are completely incapable of winning a match without resorting to bullshit. That’s nothing to be proud of. They’ll lose later on like they always do, because this type of shit never rises.

Sour grapes? Absolutely. Are they gutter trash? Without debate.
 

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Atletico are completely incapable of winning a match without resorting to bullshit. That’s nothing to be proud of. They’ll lose later on like they always do, because this type of shit never rises.

Sour grapes? Absolutely. Are they gutter trash? Without debate.
Yeah, I don’t disagree. I’m in too deep now. Love to love them and love to hate them.
 

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Friggin Adrian. I can hate their style but a simple clearance means no first goal and the second goal never happens. Bush league defending on that second goal too by the way.
 

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Atletico are completely incapable of winning a match without resorting to bullshit. That’s nothing to be proud of. They’ll lose later on like they always do, because this type of shit never rises.

Sour grapes? Absolutely. Are they gutter trash? Without debate.
I don't enjoy it either, but it's undeniably effective. They've made 2 CL Finals playing this way and took both to extra time.
 

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Congrats @bosox4283 - as a fan of a team that employs Brad Marchand I have to grit my teeth and bear Atléti's antics. I don't think any other defense in the world gets through that second half at Anfield without conceding
 

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“That's the first time Marcos Llorente has scored two goals in a game (at senior level anyway). Had only scored six goals before tonight, EVER.”
 

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Adrian is and is not to blame. He was never brought on for the CL, and his run of form arguably helped the side run away with the league while Alisson was out. His hallmark has always been worldies and howlers, often within moments of each other. I’m more concerned about Alisson’s durability and criticality to the side. If he’s such a lynchpin and lands soft tissue injuries with this frequently, it could easily spell the end of silverware hopes year over year.

I have zero respect for how Atletico played this draw and can’t congratulate them. You could argue they’ve exploited a moneyball-style undervaluing of skill, but it isn’t one that anybody should be proud of. They’re up against Real and Barcelona, which is like being third place in Serie A, Bundesliga, or Ligue 1. They don’t have the financial resources to compete at playing football, so they’ve copied a South American style that encourages malice, deceit, and anger rather than skill and talent. Its unpleasant to watch and especially effective in the Champions League where teams typically don’t have the experience to cope. What baffles me is that referees do not take action. Early yellow cards for time wasting, yellows for simulation, enforce substitution laws (leave from nearest touchline)... Establish that they need to play within the laws of the game early within the match and a lot of this goes away. The only tip of the cap is that they’re exploiting something without consequence (and, indeed, encouragement). Silverware is all that matters, and that is every team’s ultimate goal.
 

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I thought that that was the best Liverpool have looked the entire year .. completely dominated Atletico who had no business of winning. Bloody Adrián .. that was my main worry coming in and it came to pass ..

oh well .. caring about sports seems kind of pointless lately ..
 

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They don’t have the financial resources to compete at playing football, so they’ve copied a South American style that encourages malice, deceit, and anger rather than skill and talent.
I always get sick of this description of them. While they don't get as much TV money as Real and Barca, they get far more than anyone else in La Liga.

They are a seasoned European competitor that win ugly. Liverpool won a lot of ugly European ties under Benitez, so I won't criticize them. But they aren't poor.

 

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I stand corrected. They’re a despicable team with no excuse, then.
Simeone is a drag. But he’s elevated the team to heights we never could have dreamed. We take the good with the ugly, relishing these victory while lamenting the pathetic displays of football that often plague this team.

In terms of football, Simeone has occasionally shown sighs of playing “nice” football, matching tactics with skill — especially for a team that had Griezmann and could buy Joao Felix. What frustrates Atletico fans is that Simeone quickly retreat to his comfort zone — defensive, ugly football — when against top-tier competition.

But he’s our guy and continues making moments to cherish. It’s fun to get lost in it, regardless of how ugly and frustrating the style may be. Simeone ought to abandon his “no one respects us” mentality and should embrace the team’s stature as a rich club but he doesn’t. It’s annoying most of the time, expected nights like tonight when we get to celebrate this team and give in to the moment and believe in a thing bigger than ourselves for an instance. It’s irrational. I want good football, but I also want to enjoy this ride and get caught up in the passion.
 

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I have zero respect for how Atletico played this draw and can’t congratulate them. You could argue they’ve exploited a moneyball-style undervaluing of skill, but it isn’t one that anybody should be proud of. They’re up against Real and Barcelona, which is like being third place in Serie A, Bundesliga, or Ligue 1. They don’t have the financial resources to compete at playing football, so they’ve copied a South American style that encourages malice, deceit, and anger rather than skill and talent. Its unpleasant to watch and especially effective in the Champions League where teams typically don’t have the experience to cope. What baffles me is that referees do not take action. Early yellow cards for time wasting, yellows for simulation, enforce substitution laws (leave from nearest touchline)... Establish that they need to play within the laws of the game early within the match and a lot of this goes away. The only tip of the cap is that they’re exploiting something without consequence (and, indeed, encouragement). Silverware is all that matters, and that is every team’s ultimate goal.
A few things. First, your description of Atletico's style is not limited to South America. You see it all over the world. I don't like to watch it and FIFA are trying to legislate it out of the sport, but please be careful with how you characterize/describe this type of thing going forward.

Second, I thought the referee was overall very good tonight. He had players from both sides diving in the box and he didn't fall for any of it. He let the game breathe with physicality but not overly so. I agree he could've gone to the book a bit sooner on Atleti but thought it was reasonable for him not to.

Third, I think Atleti have absolutely found a moneyball inefficiency with high-level defensive-minded players throughout the squad. And that is certainly something to be proud of. Simeone has them playing an ugly style, but moneyball specifically didn't care about stuff like that and looked primarily at data and results. I'd take Thomas on any team I supoort any day and Oblak showed was a world class keeper looks like in action tonight.

Liverpool remain the class of Europe in my mind even after this defeat. Adrian had a brutal goof that turned the tie, but Liverpool were wasteful and snakebit and ran into a team that can punish mistakes brutally. Otherwise, they are an insane blend of fitness, physicality, skill, and class that is a wonder to watch.

Permit a bit of a thread hijack--but watching this match also shows how poorly the Barca squad is currently constructed. Both of these teams went deep into their bench with real quality (well, maybe not at keeper but I digress) and while Barca may be able to matchup well 1-7 or 8, it falls off a cliff after that.
 

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I was coming to post that quote:
Jack Sear

Klopp couldn't resist a bit of a dig at Atletico at the end of his interview with BT Sport. “I don’t understand to be honest with the quality they have why they play this kind of football. But it’s right, the winner is always right."

Klopp: "When I see players like Koke, Saul, Llorente, the players they have, they could play proper football, but they sit deep in their half and have counter-attacks. "They beat us and we accept that. Congratulations to Atletico. But it doesn’t feel right tonight to be honest."