Chaim Bloom hired by St Louis
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Bloom hired for an advisory role in the St. Louis Cardinals front office.
Bloom hired for an advisory role in the St. Louis Cardinals front office.
For me I think it depends on what the mandate was, and was there enough time given to see if Bloom was progressing towards that mandate. Once you are told to get rid of Betts, clearly you're looking at some form of rebuild. The pro team spent money, can't deny that, but there still seemed to be an ownership emphasis on developing young talent. And if that is the case, I think someone deserves a shot to see if their fidelity to that plan, and the results, prove successful. I'm not sure Bloom really got that shot.
I guess the argument against this is that the team still provided him with the requisite funds needed to have a successful big-league roster, and we blew that part of it (on the whole). I have little love for Bloom (I could take him or leave him, personally), but forcing him to get rid of Betts, I think, should have given him some extra time to see if the plan he put in place was going to work. I'd have probably kept him on a few more years (2, not indefinitely), to see what happens. And again, not because I think he's a boy genius, but more because I think he was dealt a tough hand with the Betts situation and that kind of loss to a team can take some time to recover from.
There are plenty of people in every industry that are great analysts and advisors that are just not cut out to be in charge.
Agree, jman. Seems since 2011-2013 or so, (when Pujols left or shortly after, as they still had success winning pennants) they’ve transitioned from a big market team (even though STL isn’t a big media market) to a mid-market team, to me.
The Bloom signing solidifies this view in my mind.
I’m surprised as to how little the Cubs title in 2016 affected them.
Bloom is pretty good at minor moves. I wouldn't mind his opinion on who I trade my back up catcher for or Rule V pick.
yeah u are right as well its a shame because it is a beautiful ballpark and they do have loyal fans 1 of my freindls on facebook has went to 5 cardinals games this season and she is 4 and a haif hours away was one of my teachers in school
"OK Chaim, first day - what's the first order of business? How do we improve this team and build the farm?"
"First off, glad to be here! As for first order of business, we get one of the consensus top picks to fall to us at fourth in the draft."
"Well, we're picking seventh..."
"That's fine. Just let him fall to you."
"Um, yeah, I don't... why don't we come back to that one? What else you got?"
"What, wait, what do you mean? You just do that every year. Be bad and hope someone good falls to you. That's it."
"Yeah, no, I get that. We'll try to draft great players with a top 15 pick. I mean the other stuff. How do you develop pitching? How do you get another team's top prospect? What do you look for in a free agent and make sure your offer is attractive? What do you do to get a trade done and across the finish line?"
*Confused look, awkward silence*
(All kidding aside, good luck to him in St Louis. He wasn't my favorite, but he did re-build the farm, even if it is a bit lighter on the pitching than I would have preferred).
"First off, glad to be here! As for first order of business, we get one of the consensus top picks to fall to us at fourth in the draft."
"Well, we're picking seventh..."
"That's fine. Just let him fall to you."
"Um, yeah, I don't... why don't we come back to that one? What else you got?"
"What, wait, what do you mean? You just do that every year. Be bad and hope someone good falls to you. That's it."
"Yeah, no, I get that. We'll try to draft great players with a top 15 pick. I mean the other stuff. How do you develop pitching? How do you get another team's top prospect? What do you look for in a free agent and make sure your offer is attractive? What do you do to get a trade done and across the finish line?"
*Confused look, awkward silence*
(All kidding aside, good luck to him in St Louis. He wasn't my favorite, but he did re-build the farm, even if it is a bit lighter on the pitching than I would have preferred).
By the time Bloom is finished doing his thing with the team, he will have turned Busch Stadium into Bud Light.
i mean they are never happy and when u try to have a covo or tell some jokes about them they get all defeivence about them when u guys swept them in 04 i was giddy
He clearly has a skill at developing a minor league infrastructure and building up those reserves. I'm sure STL will use him well
Someone else noted this above too so I'm curious where this comes from. When I was in St. Louis in 2005 at a game decked out in Sox gear I was congratulated pregame at the bar and by people in our section about the WS win saying how great the Yankees series was. Everyone seems genuine and it was the most friendly atmosphere I've ever seen at a game. I had friends who were in St Louis FOR the WS the year prior and they shared similar stories even while their team was getting wrecked. Are these first hand accounts?
i am 4 and a haif hours away its not 100% of this base but its at least 50'
they are really brainwashed here so much so that every late Jan they have a cardinals carevan come out here that has a ex player some years its a no name but some years its a big name
i also base this on a facebook group i saw where they were whineing about why they dont spend $ and why they cant sign everyone
they also way overrate a lot of the players
my history with them
first off i have to think shireers hosptians for the chance to go to 2 games allthorth 9 year old cryed at seeing the reds instead of the braves
i liked my 1992 game exp better for 1 reason in the 9th inning as we were leveing the place i saw at view that was like lee smith throwing at my head
in 99 when i went back
num 1 mark mcgrive allmost ran over me in my rental chair he bumped my chair
num 2 it was a hour diave from the hospiat to the stuadidm back them the hospita was in the middle of nowhere now it's downtown
num we have to leave in the 7inn because we were so far away
num 4 the only hilight of that trip was meeting Joe mcewing he basiccy talked to us for like 2-3 min and signed everything
num 5 as soon as big mac ran over my chair they were makeing exurses for him he was in game mode the game was in april nowhere near a pennent race
num 6 IF i wouild had fell and re-hurt myseif i was like 2 weeks from going back home and in cast
num 7 when i got back the nurses told me big mac was a huge a-hole
num 8 1 more side hilight was there was a 20 year old inturn that had on a see through skirt good times but back then i was a nerd and had no idea utill i got back home
It's strongly an internet thing I suspect. The MLB/Media infrastructure pushing the BEST FANS IN BASEBALL ARE IN ST. LOUIS narrative, with long term sustained success, built up an ego among that fanbase and a disdain among others. I know on the more general sports forums I was on they leaned into this a bit - add in the kind of absurd hero worship St. Louis fans place upon their stars (the Yadier stuff is kind of unhinged) and I think it just built over time - especially as the counter voices (Best Fans in Baseball Twitter was a powerhouse for years on highlighting the absurdity) and it baked itself in.
Ironically in my poker game yesterday was a guy from St. Louis who was wearing Cards gear conversing w the dealer who said he's also from St Louis. I know the dealer and he's one of the nicest guys you'll meet and spent the next hour talking baseball w the St Louis guy (and some St Louis Spirits stories because well yeah). I call 100% bs on what I've read above until I meet a St Louis sports person who isn't in the Top 5% of nicest people....I've personally yet to meet one who isn't.
I lived in St Louis for a while. My sense is that they, and the fans, handled 2004 really well, but got bitter as the years went on. I do actually think they were more upset about the 2002 Super Bowl, but that probably compounded in people's minds against Boston sports.
The thing with the Cardinals is that they have basically never been bad. They've been under .500 twice since 2000. Since 1918 they've lost 90 games 4 times, and never lost 100. Even when they've had stretches of 4-5 mediocre years, they are bookended with WS appearances/wins. So there is a smugness to the fandom, and they don't really know what to do when the team is not competing. It is also a bit jarring to be at a game in the heart of downtown in a city that is almost 50% black and see a crowd of white people from the county.
That said, I'll take a city that cares as much about baseball as they do. And I buy into about 85% of the Yadi stuff.
The thing with the Cardinals is that they have basically never been bad. They've been under .500 twice since 2000. Since 1918 they've lost 90 games 4 times, and never lost 100. Even when they've had stretches of 4-5 mediocre years, they are bookended with WS appearances/wins. So there is a smugness to the fandom, and they don't really know what to do when the team is not competing. It is also a bit jarring to be at a game in the heart of downtown in a city that is almost 50% black and see a crowd of white people from the county.
That said, I'll take a city that cares as much about baseball as they do. And I buy into about 85% of the Yadi stuff.
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I had a co-worker who flew out to St. Louis for the final game of the 2004 World Series. He said the home crowd was very gracious in the loss and went out of their way to help Red Sox fans celebrate the win together.
Honestly, I think the bad rap that St Louis fans get is mostly from Joe Buck propping them up as the greatest fans on the face of the planet, and more than once. I think everyone except St Louis watches Buck and feels like he hates their team, for whatever reason. This isn't to say he is bad at his job, and I don't know that it is really a fair assessment, but it is the general sense I get from the way people talk about him.
He definitely airs a bit of "my dad was a lifelong St Louis broadcaster and they are the bee's knees", and with him being so prevalent for so long, I think it wore a lot of people out on the whole idea.
I have liked talking baseball with all of the Cardinals fans I have run across in my travels, for what it is worth.
He definitely airs a bit of "my dad was a lifelong St Louis broadcaster and they are the bee's knees", and with him being so prevalent for so long, I think it wore a lot of people out on the whole idea.
I have liked talking baseball with all of the Cardinals fans I have run across in my travels, for what it is worth.
