It was wrong when you said after game 5, I responded to your post after you said that with these numbers and that was the end of the conversation:You said the same thing in the Hawks series game 5 and I showed there wasn't much of an opportunity to run. So let's see in this game how they "slowed it down, we got a 2 point lead with 3 min to go"
You know what, I'll even go back further to the entirety of the 4th quarter:
- 11:42 Harden misses a shot, Brogdon rebound 3 seconds later, Harris fouls him 4 seconds after that.
- 10:25 (yes Philly didn't get another offensive possession until then) shot clock violation. So the defense is set either way.
- 10:03 Niang misses a 3, Tatum rebound at 9:59, he passes to White who dunks it 2 seconds later
- 9:40 Harris turns it over out of bounds. Defense is set.
- 9:03 Embiid misses 3 footer, Tatum rebound is fouled 3 seconds later shooting.
- 8:42 Maxey misses a 3, TimeLord rebounds at 8:39, Tatum misses a layup 13 seconds later (maybe this was slow, but they had a layup...)
- 7:57 Harden makes a shot. Defense is set. Smart gets a shooting foul 10 seconds later.
- 7:28 Embiid misses 10 footer, Tatum rebound, Brogdon turns it over 5 seconds later
- 7:15 Embiid hits a 2. Celtics timeout. Smart hits a 3 on the other side of this timeout.
- 6:28 Sixers shut clock violation #2 of the quarter. Defense gets set. Jaylen hits a 3 on the other side of this.
- 5:33 Tatum blocks Niang's 3, Horford rebound 5 seconds later, Tatum with a two pointer 3 seconds later.
- 5:04 Horford blocks Embiid, gets control 2 seconds later, Jaylen misses a 3 12 seconds later (I guess they could have pushed more here?)
- 4:16 Tatum blocks Maxey, gets control 3 seconds later, Brogdon misses a floating jumper 14 seconds later. Should have pushed here... but wait, they got an offensive rebound and Horford got a basket so it doesnt matter.
- 3:38 Smart fouls Harden. Defense is set. Tatum gets a shooting foul at the other end, makes 1 of 2.
- 2:59 (hey we made it to 3 minutes left!!!!) Horford blocks Embiid, rebound controlled 3 seconds later, Marcus hits a 3 four seconds after.
- 2:26 Harden makes a 3. Defense is set. Oh and Brogdon makes a 3.
- 1:50 Harden makes a 2. Defense is set. Marcus misses a 3 as time expires on the shot clock yuck.
- 1:07 Harris misses a 2... but PJ tucker gets the rebound and 1. Defense is set. Marcus gets fouled at the other end and makes two free throws.
- 0.31 Horford blocks Embiid, Maxey rebounds, Harden gets a 2 with 16 seconds left.
- Celtics hold for final shot as they should and Marcus misses.
So I guess my question -- where in all of these possessions did the Celtics not push against a non-set defense? Seems to me like they had great defense for 90% of the quarter before allowing the 76ers to score on their final 4 possessions (due to two offensive rebounds.
I don't know how you could blame a lack of pushing the ball on this loss. Do you have anything to back up those claims? OT was very much the same.
Let me bold the important sentence there:Agreed that typically, you see more runouts after a miss, but it should NEVER preclude a team from pushing the pace even if the other team is making shots. Especially when it's so clear that when the C's are pushing the pace, they are scoring. Let's look at the second quarter after made baskets by Atlanta:
11:32 Bogdan Bogdanovic makes 24-foot three point jumper (Aaron Holiday assists)
TL got a dunk 12 seconds later
10:03 Saddiq Bey makes 27-foot three pointer (Onyeka Okongwu assists)
Marcus layup 9 seconds later
9:30 Bogdan Bogdanovic makes free throw 3 of 3
Horford gets a 3 12 seconds later
8:57 Saddiq Bey makes free throw 2 of 2
Tatum missed layup 16 seconds later
6:35 John Collins makes 28-foot three point jumper (Trae Young assists)
Jaylen makes a 3, 13 seconds later
6:00 Saddiq Bey makes two point shot
Brogdon driving layup 13 seconds later
4:41 De'Andre Hunter makes 17-foot pullup jump shot (Trae Young assists)
Brogdon driving layup 9 seconds later
3:55 Saddiq Bey makes driving layup (John Collins assists)
Brogdon missed a 3, 13 seconds later
2:57 Trae Young makes 16-foot driving floating jump shot
Tatum misses a 3, 19 seconds later
1:24 John Collins makes 8-foot two point shot (Clint Capela assists)
Jaylen misses a layup 19 seconds later
32.1 Trae Young makes step back jumpshot
Jaylen gets fouled 10 seconds later, 2 free throws (1/2)
That's every bucket that Atlanta made in that quarter, and every time they pushed the pace following it, and shot in less than 13 seconds, they scored. Every time they held the ball longer than 13 seconds, they missed. The C's outscored Atlanta 39-28 in that quarter. When the C's got the ball after a miss or ATL turnover, they scored in 12, 7, 7, 2, 5, 7, 4, and 7 seconds.
I mean, this is honestly so straightforward, it's unconscionable when they slow it down. Atlanta simply cannot run with this team.
When the C's got the ball after a miss or ATL turnover, they scored in 12, 7, 7, 2, 5, 7, 4, and 7 seconds.
On Sunday, after the C's tied it up at 96, this is what happened:
Horford blocked Embiid, it takes 15 seconds, but JB then misses a 3.
Tatum blocked Maxey, it takes 15 seconds for Brogdon to miss a floater. (Tatum got the board, and hit Al for the dunk to give the C's a 2 point lead)
Harden makes 2 free throws, and 17 seconds later, Tatum gets fouled and goes to the line.
Horford blocks Embiid, they push it and Marcus steps into a fast break 3. 4 point lead for the C's.
Harden makes a shot, and the C's use 20 seconds but get a 3 this time from Brogdon, now they're up 5 with 2:04 left.
This is where I lose my shit:
Harden makes a shot, lead is down to 3. 22 seconds into the shot clock, Smart misses a 28 foot step back 3.
Then Philly comes down, misses, but Tucker gets the board, and a 3 point play the game is tied.
15 seconds later, Marcus gets fouled going to the hoop.
Harden makes the tying jumper with 16 seconds left, and of course, Marcus misses the buzzer beater on the other end.
In overtime, the C's jumped out to a 3 point overtime lead, which Philly cut to 1.
The next possession saw Tatum miss a 3 that came 23 seconds into the shot clock. C's got the offensive board, which 9 seconds later, Marcus promptly threw away to the other team.
The next possession after a Philly timeout, Horford misses a 3 that came 24 seconds into the shot clock.
Then Tatum made his 3 18 seconds after Embiid made his foul shots
Then Harden made his 3, and we waste 19 seconds to not even get a shot off.
Once again, this isn't just about pushing the pace off misses and turnovers, which should be automatic. As I pointed out above, the C's have been noticeably better when they push the pace after made baskets too. They just stop doing it at times, and it bites them.
And of course, we have the glaring noticeable absence of an ALL NBA player in virtually all of this, because they completely eliminate him from the game when they start taking 13+ seconds off the clock.