@SportsCenter: BREAKING: Celtics agree in principle to deal sending Rajon Rondo to Dallas for Wright, Nelson, Crowder & 2 picks. (via @ESPNSteinLine)
Celtics trade Rondo to Dallas
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Not surprising. Its been obvious for a while that nobody was going to give us much of anything for Rondo.
I hope the 1st is unprotected and well into the future.
I hope the 1st is unprotected and well into the future.
thank god. I haven't seen him put it all on the floor in years. Appreciated him during the runs, but it was time
If the first is 2018 or later its a good deal. If it is much earlier it illustrates how little Rondo is worth.
My guess: 2018 first.
I hope Rondo blows the doors off this year and leads the Mavs to a title. Could be fun to watch.
My guess: 2018 first.
I hope Rondo blows the doors off this year and leads the Mavs to a title. Could be fun to watch.
He was an asshole, but he was our asshole. Good luck in Dallas, Rajon.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn-R8kbcFVg
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The Celtics got fucking robbed. I'd rather keep Rondo and let him walk at the end of the year for nothing in return than accept that shit platter that Cuban just served us.
The fact that we are including a promising rookie (Powell) in the deal just infuriates me.
The fact that we are including a promising rookie (Powell) in the deal just infuriates me.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 7m7 minutes ago
Boston will send Rajon Rondo and Dwight Powell to Dallas for Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jamar Nelson, 2015 first-round and future second.
Boston will send Rajon Rondo and Dwight Powell to Dallas for Brandan Wright, Jae Crowder, Jamar Nelson, 2015 first-round and future second.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Celtics are couple of lucky ping pong balls away from at least being a fun team with upside (not good but fun!). Think the Bucks before Parker went down.
Statman said:
You would rather have nothing than something? Why? His trade value was clearly destroyed with the horrific timing of his knee injury. His lack of any shooting ability makes him a weird fit with contenders and it wouldn't be worth it for any pretenders to give up real value. He's just not at the same level as the kind of players who bring back legits assets in NBA trades.
It's also pretty easy to find a decent point guard these days. Paying Rondo wouldn't have made much sense.
The chance that Powell ends up moving the needle on this deal one way or the other is probably <1%. Chances are they'll be able to bring him in again for nothing within the next two seasons if they want to.
Statman said:
I think everyone is over valuing Rondo. Look at all the point guards I would rank ahead of him: Curry, Westbrook, Paul, Wall, Lillard, Irving, Lowry are easy, and I could argue Conley, Dragic, Rose, Bledsoe, Williams and Teague are above or at his level. Obviously that second group people could argue he is better than some of those guys, but he is basically not a top 10 PG anyone. He also has major holes in his game. No one was going to give what many on this board value him because instead of looking at the fact that this is only a partial season rental, everyone has the Rondo from the championship team as his value. No one would like this trade if they are looking at it through green colored glasses.
And who cares about Powell? He has very little chance to be anything, and I cant imagine his ceiling being higher than that of Sully or the like. There is a reason he went late in the second round
Not really, the way Rondo has been playing (and if Smart can stay healthy).Eddie Jurak said:
Rondo has convinced me, with his erratic play, that it would be a losing proposition to attempt to build a winner around him. Too many turnovers, too much indifferent defense. He may become a nice complementary piece to what Dallas already has, but he'll never be a centerpiece of a contending team. Let Dallas overpay him to be the 3rd or 4th fiddle.
The only downside to this deal is that Nelson has a player option for next year-- but it's only for 3.2M.
One down, two to go (Green and Bass). I'm not hopeful that Ainge can move Wallace.
Zach Lowe @ZachLowe_NBA · 18m18 minutes agoSomewhere, someone is muttering that the 2008 Celtics starters still haven't lost a playoff series.
Rudy Pemberton said:
Rondo is 14-44 in his last 58 games as a Celtic. We are 7-5 in the 12 games post-ACL Rondo when he's been in street clothes or at birthday parties. I'm pretty sure we will find a way to withstand this "loss."
This day should have came 3 years ago. The return is about what I expected.....salary filler with a low 1st/high 2nd. Time to move on.
Variations of this same conversation have been going on at least since he hurt his knee.
Poster1: Maybe they can get a low 1st for Rondo from team X?
Poster2: A low first??? Are you fucking kidding??? Danny should wait and see what he can get at ____ (the 2013 summer, the 2014 deadline, the 2014 summer, the 2015 deadline).
At some point you have to accept what the market has been telling you for almost two years: Rondo doesn't have much value and won't have much value. We would have been better off trading him last year if you ask me.
Poster1: Maybe they can get a low 1st for Rondo from team X?
Poster2: A low first??? Are you fucking kidding??? Danny should wait and see what he can get at ____ (the 2013 summer, the 2014 deadline, the 2014 summer, the 2015 deadline).
At some point you have to accept what the market has been telling you for almost two years: Rondo doesn't have much value and won't have much value. We would have been better off trading him last year if you ask me.
Dwight Powell is basically this trade's version of including Alex Wilson in the Porcello trade. The guy is a year older than Sully and barely younger than Olynyk.
Considering the market for contending teams that needed a PG might have included exactly one team, I don't have that big of an issue with the haul. Brandon Wright was someone who I wanted the Celtics to consider going after in 2013 when he was a FA. It took him a while to figure out what he can do in the NBA, but right now I like what he brings to the table. He is a rangy big that can defend the rim, run the floor, work the pick and roll and cleans up the offensive glass. His per 36 minutes are 17-8 with 3 blocks per game. He is also leading the league in FG% shooting a silly 75% from the field.
Crowder is a wing player that can guard multiple positions and shoots about league average from deep. With a little bit more development he could be an actual asset. Nelson has had a good career, and will either be bought out or released (correct me if his contract prohibits that) or mentor Smart and Pressey, because IIRC he is supposed to be a really good teammate.
Crowder is a wing player that can guard multiple positions and shoots about league average from deep. With a little bit more development he could be an actual asset. Nelson has had a good career, and will either be bought out or released (correct me if his contract prohibits that) or mentor Smart and Pressey, because IIRC he is supposed to be a really good teammate.
I like the trade. Wish rondo the best. Think we make playoffs for sure unless Danny does more. We gave up the best player but I don't think Nelson is that big of a drop off given the cast of characters we have. And I think Wright is an upgrade to what we have.
Wright is probably a starter-quality big in this league, and of all the backup centers in the league I'd put him only behind Kosta Koufos. Crowder has had flashes of real competence and has a lot more upside than Dwight Powell, posters' irrational hyperventilating aside. Plus, even more picks.
Danny played this about as well as it was going to be played. Some of you are insane.
Danny played this about as well as it was going to be played. Some of you are insane.
The more I think about this, the more I don't like it for the Mavs. Rondo's passing and ball-handling is an upgrade vs Nelson but Nelson is clearly a better scorer than Rondo. And the Mavs cost themselves some wing and front-court depth (not that the C's value Wright and Crowder like the Mavs did). This reeks of Dallas doing something to do something. That said, unless Rondo regains his defensive form (and I am not buying that he will), its a bad trade for Dallas.
The C's get more assets which is the coin of Danny's realm.
The C's get more assets which is the coin of Danny's realm.
If backcourt defense is what Dallas was seeking, they will be sorely disappointed in this deal. Lucky for them they still have Harris and Barea.triniSox said:
Irrational? Rondo played himself out of town and got himself dealt to a contender. IMHO Jackie M. was right all along.Devizier said:
Yeah, I like it from that perspective. I like it for Rondo as well. Going into a situation that plays to his offensive strengths and hides his offensive weaknesses.Eddie Jurak said:
His inability to develop as a legit scoring threat kept him as a great complementary piece and kept him from entering superstar territory. Once they lost out in the Love sweepstakes, this day was inevitable.
Watching him in the 2010 and 2012 playoffs was a treat. Fingers crossed he returns to that form in Dallas.
I have not seen anything to verify, but from what I've read, Nelson hasn't been scoring very well this year. He's only shooting .374 from the field (was under .400 last year too). He's had some injuries so that could be the cause but at this point, it would seem that Rondo is a clear upgrade from Nelson.
Also, it will be interesting to see how Rondo fits in.
On the plus side for the Mavs, because they are contenders, they're going to be on national TV much more often than the Cs so maybe the Mavs get motivated Rondo much more often than the Cs would.
