more Granite!
According to Tatum himself, they didn’t seek his input on this trade and from reading his comments it doesn’t seem like that’s something he wants to be a part of
I’m sure there is some information sharing, but not direct and not “do you want this guy?”
Appreciate you cleaning up sloppy wording on my part - I think PBS' comments that White was someone they'd thought would compliment the Jays well suggested he was a player that had been discussed over time even if not specifically to this transaction deadline.
They definitely still have the ability to make a big splash although not sure who it would be for at this point. It’s good that they upgraded Romeo by a big amount and kept the flexibility.
Knew I forgot someone obvious. But Its not like they can get a whole lot more out of Grant. 5 more mins and he basically playing "Starter Mins". ( Putting him @28 Mins).
Guy seems like the opposite of DShroeder. I am starting to like this deal.
I suppose for this year he stands a fair chance of helping guys like PP, Nesmith and maybe Hauser to get looks. Im not breaking any new ground pointing out that anticipation/ making the pass a half-second sooner can be the difference for the shooter.
The problem with that blog imo is that its almost impossible to tell that its semi-satirical (if it is at all) because most of their other stuff is of similar quality.
The thing about Celticsblog is they have some really good writers (Keith Smith and Kevin O'Connor both got national gigs off of it, with Smith still writing for them some), and they have some really terrible writers.
To be fair to the guy, he does put at the beginning of the article that his article is completely devoid of any nuance and that he was just writing like a Shaughnessy would have back in the day.
Higher, I'd think, though I'm not sure what you mean by 'meaningful'. That far out I'd treat the pick as essentially random. So the chance it is 2-5 and conveys is roughly 12%. The chance that it is 2-10 and conveys is 25%.
Ok since we are deep into the weeds on this, I will go even further. Even if it conveys 2-5, the C's also get a pick in that draft. So its not like they get nothing - its not a total "disaster" but it could be very bad for sure.
Holy shit is this true.
Edit 2: But to be fair, the next poster says, "This China doll trope is both tired and inaccurate."
so excluding his rookie year when he was buried deep on the bench of a vet team....
Great chart. In particular, look how sharply the expected value drops after...the #1 pick.
Yeah that curve flattens quite a bit. The median WAR comps should speak volumes. Our nightmares tell us the Cs are risking the opportunity to draft the next franchise player. Its definitely possible but its more likely that you get Marvin Williams level production over that slot's rookie deal. I have room for Marvin in my heart but I'm just saying that you could do better than to worry about missing on a young version of him six years from now.
Right, the 2-10% odds that you give the Spurs a 2-4 pick isn't much worse than the chance an 18 pick you give them becomes a star.
Not great, but not shocking given the low number of years/success observations.
I am a little puzzled that Kris Dunn is the median at #5, with about 8.3 WAR, and DeRozan is the median at #9, with only about 6.4. Seems odd to see Dunn at about 2 WAR above DeRozan, whose WAR seems rather low ... or am I missing something? Late bloomer?
I think you are spot on. Its just a function of expected WAR over a rookie contract. It would make sense if you used longer career samples that the medians would look more like you might expect.
All good stuff. The one nitpick I have is the emphasis that White is NOT a point guard when the only time in his life he hasn’t played the 1 is when Dejounte Murray was in the lineup…….and he’s going to be playing a lot of 1 for us. He’s a versatile combo-1 who is very switchable defensively but implying that he isn’t a 1 is misleading. Unlike the Schroder deal it’s nice to have this skillset under contract moving forward. Real real good get on Brad’s part to close this deal.
