Over Fraymond the Dancing Bear?Celtics have 13 under contract, plus Brown? Wonder if Nader is playing his way into the last slot.
Young looks almost certain to be a camp casualty at this point.Celtics have 13 under contract, plus Brown? Wonder if Nader is playing his way into the last slot.
Yep.Young looks almost certain to be a camp casualty at this point.
maybe. It's easier to stash a 1st than a 2nd.Over Fraymond the Dancing Bear?
I would probably agree with this although I would guess that Brown also has the longest road. I'd also say that as pure athletes go, it's Brown, Dunn and Chriss as the top 3.I will say this, in terms of 101st best players in drafts, Jaylen Brown is looking at top 5 potential.
technically a sore knee, but I wonder if he would have been one without. Jamie Young pulled him from last game on account of being terrible.Any word on why James Young wasn't in the box score? All I have seen has been the box.
I mean, besides him being horrible at basketball.
Could a third year player possibly get a DNP CD?
Any word on why James Young wasn't in the box score? All I have seen has been the box.
I mean, besides him being horrible at basketball.
Could a third year player possibly get a DNP CD?
I've beat this drum plenty but it's important to know that rookie Jimmy Butler, at age 22, played less than 400 minutes of nearly all garbage time, and avg 2.6 ppg.I think Danny tried to trade for Jimmy Butler, decided the price was way too high, and decided to draft his own Jimmy Butler.
But I want an all-star NOW!I've beat this drum plenty but it's important to know that rookie Jimmy Butler, at age 22, played less than 400 minutes of nearly all garbage time, and avg 2.6 ppg.
These things take time.
Well that's true, but it was the lockout year. Looking at his rate stats he was already pretty good. My guess is that in a regular year he would have made the rotation in training camp.I've beat this drum plenty but it's important to know that rookie Jimmy Butler, at age 22, played less than 400 minutes of nearly all garbage time, and avg 2.6 ppg.
These things take time.
Those numbers were primarily in 4th quarter of blowouts so I take them with a grain of salt but it's better than if they were bad I suppose. My main point was that if you can have patience with a 22-year old we should have double patience for a raw 19-year old.Well that's true, but it was the lockout year. Looking at his rate stats he was already pretty good. My guess is that in a regular year he would have made the rotation in training camp.
What you are saying makes sense theoretically. That's just not how it works. Jimmy Butler is the only player on last year's all-star rosters that didn't play 1000 minutes as a rookie (Kyle Lowry got hurt so I didn't count him). He should have, but he didn't get to play in summer league and he didn't get a training camp to make an impression. The ideal way for a rookie to break into the league is by playing on a competitive team in a meaningful supporting role. Let's be fair: no one takes the James Young route to the all-star game. If Brown doesn't earn a rotation spot as a rookie, that's a huge red flag.As far as the lockout goes. The Bulls had just acquired Brewer, Korver and Rip Hamilton to play those wing minutes on a championship contender.....training camp wasn't a factor in Butlers role the only opportunity that rookie was going to have is if injuries forced Thibs to give him minutes. For me this is the ideal way for a rookie to break into the league.....learning from the bench while veterans show you how you prepare to win every night. It helps create very good habits.
Honest question as I don't have time to look it up. It would seem to me that most impact rookies don't get to play on competitive teams in the first year - particularly 48 win teams - so isn't Brown's situation different?What you are saying makes sense theoretically. That's just not how it works. Jimmy Butler is the only player on last year's all-star rosters that didn't play 1000 minutes as a rookie (Kyle Lowry got hurt so I didn't count him). He should have, but he didn't get to play in summer league and he didn't get a training camp to make an impression. The ideal way for a rookie to break into the league is by playing on a competitive team in a meaningful supporting role. Let's be fair: no one takes the James Young route to the all-star game. If Brown doesn't earn a rotation spot as a rookie, that's a huge red flag.
Frank Kaminski and Justise Winslow were rotation players on 48 win teams. I really like Jerebko and Rozier, but if Brown doesn't make the rotation because he can't beat those guys out his career expectations would take a significant hit.Honest question as I don't have time to look it up. It would seem to me that most impact rookies don't get to play on competitive teams in the first year - particularly 48 win teams - so isn't Brown's situation different?
Rozier is a far superior player today with a good chance of always being the better player. Jerebko is the better and more trusted "role" player today. I like Jaylen's future but I don't see how you can expect him to get minutes ahead of better players right now. Kaminski and Winslow were not raw when they entered the league......apples to oranges.Frank Kaminski and Justise Winslow were rotation players on 48 win teams. I really like Jerebko and Rozier, but if Brown doesn't make the rotation because he can't beat those guys out his career expectations would take a significant hit.
This isn't fair. NBA teams don't get to choose between sitting a rookie behind good players or playing one with bad. Not sure how that relates. To me, the best development opportunities occur when young guys play with older players, not just watch them. My position is that we should expect Brown to earn playing time this year. 1000 minutes is not a high threshold. It's 12 minutes a game. If he doesn't it's a bad sign, particularly because he was advertised as physically NBA-ready right after the draft.As mentioned above, the primary reason for high profile teenagers getting rookie minutes is that the team isn't competitive in that players first year. When winning real live NBA games is the objective very few teenagers are capable of filling a significant role. That isn't a bad thing at all imo. I'd much prefer my guy sitting and watching Deng, Noah, Rose and Brewer executing a game plan before/during/after tipoff as opposed to running around aimlessly with Rob Covington, Isaiah Cannon and JaKarr Sampson ehile creating bad habits.
He was advertised as "raw" in every way. NBA athleticism and body, raw skills across the board. Those guys need coaching.This isn't fair. NBA teams don't get to choose between sitting a rookie behind good players or playing one with bad. Not sure how that relates. To me, the best development opportunities occur when young guys play with older players, not just watch them. My position is that we should expect Brown to earn playing time this year. 1000 minutes is not a high threshold. It's 12 minutes a game. If he doesn't it's a bad sign, particularly because he was advertised as physically NBA-ready right after the draft.
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We don't really disagree as those 12 mpg in those 1000 minutes would mostly come by default in 4th quarters of games or spot minutes due to foul trouble/injuries. There is a difference being physically ready and being mentally ready to react to NBA schemes rather than stopping and thinking prior to taking action. Brown is going to need time for the game to slow down for him as Rozier did last year.This isn't fair. NBA teams don't get to choose between sitting a rookie behind good players or playing one with bad. Not sure how that relates. To me, the best development opportunities occur when young guys play with older players, not just watch them. My position is that we should expect Brown to earn playing time this year. 1000 minutes is not a high threshold. It's 12 minutes a game. If he doesn't it's a bad sign, particularly because he was advertised as physically NBA-ready right after the draft.
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But the point being that Kaminsky went to a 33 win team, Winslow went to a 37 win team, while Brown is going to a 48 win team that is deeper than most. For example, the only other SF on the Miami roster was James Ennis.Frank Kaminski and Justise Winslow were rotation players on 48 win teams. I really like Jerebko and Rozier, but if Brown doesn't make the rotation because he can't beat those guys out his career expectations would take a significant hit.
Agree with most of what was posted except for the good chance of always being the better player.Rozier is a far superior player today with a good chance of always being the better player. Jerebko is the better and more trusted "role" player today. I like Jaylen's future but I don't see how you can expect him to get minutes ahead of better players right now. Kaminski and Winslow were not raw when they entered the league......apples to oranges.
As mentioned above, the primary reason for high profile teenagers getting rookie minutes is that the team isn't competitive in that players first year. When winning real live NBA games is the objective very few teenagers are capable of filling a significant role. That isn't a bad thing at all imo. I'd much prefer my guy sitting and watching Deng, Noah, Rose and Brewer executing a game plan before/during/after tipoff as opposed to running around aimlessly with Rob Covington, Isaiah Cannon and JaKarr Sampson ehile creating bad habits.
The Celtics are deeper than most teams, but not at the 3. When Crowder was injured, the lack of depth at wing was immediately apparent. Jerebko was too slow, Turner was too small and Smart bricked a lot of shots. If Brown doesn't get minutes, it won't be because the Celtics are too deep, but because he's not ready to play team defense yet.But the point being that Kaminsky went to a 33 win team, Winslow went to a 37 win team, while Brown is going to a 48 win team that is deeper than most. For example, the only other SF on the Miami roster was James Ennis.
Basing a 19 year olds career expectations on whether he can beat out NBA veterans for spot minutes on a likely 50 win team is dumb.Frank Kaminski and Justise Winslow were rotation players on 48 win teams. I really like Jerebko and Rozier, but if Brown doesn't make the rotation because he can't beat those guys out his career expectations would take a significant hit.
Why? Every quote I've read from Ainge indicates that they expect him to play right away. His NBA body is why they drafted him. If he doesn't earn minutes I think that would be a problem.Basing a 19 year olds career expectations on whether he can beat out NBA veterans for spot minutes on a likely 50 win team is dumb.
This is fair. I just don't think the game will slow down for him until he plays. And he really shouldn't be on Rozier's timetable. Rozier has no where near the pedigree that Brown has. I agree with your general point that he's not going to be Jimmy Butler day one, but if he has Terry Rozier's rookie season that should be a disappointment.We don't really disagree as those 12 mpg in those 1000 minutes would mostly come by default in 4th quarters of games or spot minutes due to foul trouble/injuries. There is a difference being physically ready and being mentally ready to react to NBA schemes rather than stopping and thinking prior to taking action. Brown is going to need time for the game to slow down for him as Rozier did last year.
When I say sitting I wasn't referring to being buried in a shirt and tie.....I don't like the Antoine situations where you come in from Day One, put up numbers without a clue how the NBA game works, then declaring in your second season that you are a "veteran star."
We should base a 19-year olds career expectations somewhere during his second season. That's what I did with James Yiu g who showed zero growth as a player. I did same with Rozier ahead of my stated timetable due to the improvement he showed as a rookie and continued to this summer. Should Brown make a similar improvement as Rozier has I will be ecstatic.Why? Every quote I've read from Ainge indicates that they expect him to play right away. His NBA body is why they drafted him. If he doesn't earn minutes I think that would be a problem.
What should we base the 19 year old's career expectations on if not on his playing ability?
This is fair. I just don't think the game will slow down for him until he plays. And he really shouldn't be on Rozier's timetable. Rozier has no where near the pedigree that Brown has. I agree with your general point that he's not going to be Jimmy Butler day one, but if he has Terry Rozier's rookie season that should be a disappointment.