FelixMantilla said:
Are you sure you're not from Montreal? Because this is ridiculous.
mascho said:When did Louis Dionne join SoSH?
RedRocketeer said:Those are the objective facts. That is not hockey. That is assault and battery. It is The Knockout Game on Ice.
IMO, with Thorny's action he has forfeited his right to ever play organized hockey in North America again.
Moreover, local law enforcement agencies should open a criminal investigation of whether to charge him with criminal assault.
I'm envisioning and impassioned defense, complete with ARod-esque arm and leg gesticulation.URI said:
I can't wait to see your take on James Neal.
URI said:
I can't wait to see your take on James Neal.
Did You have the same opinion after Matt Cooke ended Marc Savard ended Marc Savard's Career? If your answer is "no" , I find it hard to take your opinion seriously.RedRocketeer said:IMO, with Thorny's action he has forfeited his right to ever play organized hockey in North America again.
Moreover, local law enforcement agencies should open a criminal investigation of whether to charge him with criminal assault.
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You are absolutely insane. Legal issues????RedRocketeer said:You must have missed it.
I alluded to Neal and all the other issues in the game, including Marchand's little stick to the face.
They pale in compatison to the legal issues I believe Thorny potentially faces.
You see, no case for pre-mediation can be made for them as they occurred spontaneously during play action.
One thing Thorny has going for him is that it was a home game, which may afford him some favorable consideration from local law enforcement.
I think Louis Dionne would own Thorny if this had occurred in Montreal.
RedRocketeer said:
You must have missed it.
I alluded to Neal and all the other issues in the game, including Marchand's little stick to the face.
They pale in compatison to the legal issues I believe Thorny potentially faces.
You see, no case for pre-mediation can be made for them as they occurred spontaneously during play action.
One thing Thorny has going for him is that it was a home game, which may afford him some favorable consideration from local law enforcement.
I think Louis Dionne would own Thorny if this had occurred in Montreal.
RedRocketeer said:
You must have missed it.
I alluded to Neal and all the other issues in the game, including Marchand's little stick to the face.
They pale in compatison to the legal issues I believe Thorny potentially faces.
You see, no case for pre-mediation can be made for them as they occurred spontaneously during play action.
One thing Thorny has going for him is that it was a home game, which may afford him some favorable consideration from local law enforcement.
I think Louis Dionne would own Thorny if this had occurred in Montreal.
I'd say that you should invest in a DVR, but I'll just laugh at the guy who's being ridiculously hyperbolic resorting to name calling instead.Blacken said:Slewfooting a guy before repeatedly bouncing his head off the ice is not "sending a message", superfan.
Troll the ancient Yuletide carol . . .RedRocketeer said:
You must have missed it.
I alluded to Neal and all the other issues in the game, including Marchand's little stick to the face.
They pale in compatison to the legal issues I believe Thorny potentially faces.
You see, no case for pre-mediation can be made for them as they occurred spontaneously during play action.
One thing Thorny has going for him is that it was a home game, which may afford him some favorable consideration from local law enforcement.
I think Louis Dionne would own Thorny if this had occurred in Montreal.
"No player should suspect being hit," after play is suspended is an objective fact? First hockey game?RedRocketeer said:Hockey is a brutal game played at high speed on a slippery surface where during play action collisions and hit opportunities spontaneously arise.
Some hard hits are clean, others have various degrees of being cheap shots.
The degree of whether a hit is clean or cheap is subjective. Everyone has an opinion.
What made Shawn Thonton's action far worse than anything else, hits or sticks to the face, that happened in last evening's game is this:
(1) Play was suspended at the time of the incident thus no player should suspect being hit.
(2) Thorny pre-meditatively --- not spontaneously (and that is decisively important) --- traveled a length of ice to attack Orpik from behind, pulling him down and pummeling him into unconsciousness before the victim knew what was happening and had any ability to defend himself.
Those are the objective facts. That is not hockey. That is assault and battery. It is The Knockout Game on Ice.
IMO, with Thorny's action he has forfeited his right to ever play organized hockey in North America again.
Moreover, local law enforcement agencies should open a criminal investigation of whether to charge him with criminal assault.
Bettman must take a firm stand as this incident is extremely bad for the NHL and must be dealt with definitively.
He had skated off onto the bench.LogansDad said:Originally, I missed the Neal hit on Marchand and I was livid about what Thornton did. Part of why I like hockey better than football is because the players generally do a better job of policing themselves, and dragging a guy to the ice then hitting him while he is defenseless is, in my opinion, far outside the bound of anything I want to see people do to each other in sport.
Then I saw Neal's hit on Marchand, and listened to that little turd's interview after the game and got mad at Thornton for an entirely different reason: I wish he would have gone after Neal instead.
Myt1 said:"No player should suspect being hit," after play is suspended is an objective fact? First hockey game?
RedRocketeer said:
English not your first language? Here's a clue: if you can't translate my words correctly might you just quote them verbatim rather than embarrass yourself?
Meanwhile, have someone explain this to you:
There is a fairly thick legal veil of immunity for athletes from charges of assault for brutality/injury that occurs during action in games that involve collision.
That veil of immunity is pierced when game action on the field/ice has been suspended and the perpetrator pre-meditatively must travel a distance to the victim and then attack from behind.
That moves the incident from a sports action to meet th elegal threshold of assault and battery.
TheShynessClinic said:
Since you're so certain -
I pay $100 to the Jimmy Fund if charges are brought up against Thornton. If they aren't, you pay.
Deal?
Well, here's the thing: I've been practicing for eight years. What bar are you a member of?RedRocketeer said:
English not your first language? Here's a clue: if you can't translate my words correctly might you just quote them verbatim rather than embarrass yourself?
Meanwhile, have someone explain this to you:
There is a fairly thick legal veil of immunity for athletes from charges of assault for brutality/injury that occurs during action in games that involve collision.
That veil of immunity is pierced when game action on the field/ice has been suspended and the perpetrator pre-meditatively must travel a distance to the victim and then attack from behind.
That moves the incident from a sports action to meet th elegal threshold of assault and battery.
Myt1 said:Well, here's the thing: I've been practicing for eight years. What bar are you a member of?
And is it as well informed as your Tampa Bay hockey community? Because if they think that the Bruins are low on talent, they're understanding of the game is about as sophisticated as yours of law.
You're a troll.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:Holy shit I'm glad I missed the end of this thread.
I guess one shouldn't expect much from a guy who admits via his username that he likes to jack his dog off.
Myt1 said:He had skated off onto the bench.
To me, there are only three differences between what Neal and Thornton did:
1. One was an instigating act while the other was retaliatory;
2. One used a gloved fist while the other used a knee;
3. One succeeded in seriously injuring a player.
Had Thornton either not hurt Orpik badly or hurt him badly with an elbow, we're not having anything remotely approaching this conversation. And I just don't see how those differences are sufficient to alter the conversation so substantially.
The reason you have a code of behavior is that it's supposed to be bilateral: it's supposed to protect both sides. Pittsburgh doesn't play within the code, but seeks to benefit from it. You can't consistently step outside the realm of accepted behavior and then act surprised when someone responds outside those bounds himself.
Myt1 said:Well, here's the thing: I've been practicing for eight years. What bar are you a member of?
And is it as well informed as your Tampa Bay hockey community? Because if they think that the Bruins are low on talent, they're understanding of the game is about as sophisticated as yours of law.
You're a troll.
RedRocketeer said:
The code. You mean the one where a team loads up with a squad of goons who challenge opposing players to fight based on some perceived transgression, essentially trading one no-talent thug for one skilled player from the other team?
A team loaded with talent would have to pretty stupid to be guilt-tripped into falling for that scam, I reckon
BTW, if 5 days is the measure of justice for Neal then should we fully expect never to see the ugly mug of Thug Thonton gooning about on North American ice again?
Like Ray Shero at the deadline last year?RedRocketeer said:
The code. You mean the one where a team loads up with a squad of goons who challenge opposing players to fight based on some perceived transgression, essentially trading one no-talent thug for one skilled player from the other team?
A team loaded with talent would have to pretty stupid to be guilt-tripped into falling for that scam, I reckon
BTW, if 5 days is the measure of justice for Neal then should we fully expect never to see the ugly mug of Thug Thonton gooning about on North American ice again?
kenneycb said:Like Ray Shero at the deadline last year?
Fred in Lynn said:Are you claiming that Thornton went in to the fray intending to concuss Orpik? That's a pretty serious accusation, quite a bit more serious than claiming he was negligent.
Also, I'm wholly against using the rulebook or disciplinary process to send a message. The rules should be objectively and unemotionally enforced at all times, or the rule of law (the NHL's, that is) loses its authority.
Unless Jarome changed his name halfway through last season and pulled a JCVD-esque "Sudden Death" move and impersonated a member of the Pittsburgh Penguins (though with a significantly lower degree of difficulty than stopping a terrorist attack in Pittsburgh), no I am not.RedRocketeer said:
Are you referring to when Igina exercised his option to decide which team he wanted to go to?
How about you use your brain and think about this for a second?RedRocketeer said:
Fred, I can't possibly have any idea what Thorny intended when he went to the gathering up-ice.
I thought he might have been intending to ask Mr. Orpik to tea after the game, but before Mr. Thornton could say a word there was Mr. Orpik hurtling his head at Mr. Thornton's fists.
Clearly Mr. Orpik meant to concuss himself, or break his nose, or worse, as he clearly made no effort to stop.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:How about you use your brain and think about this for a second?
You're trolling. Having an unpopular opinion is not trolling, but what you're doing right now is. We have Pens fans on this board that are valued members of the 'Stache community, so team affiliation doesn't matter either. Either start posting smarter or stop posting altogether.
Which team are you talking about here? Who has the squad of goons? Is this the same team that's seen as low on talent in your hockey circle?RedRocketeer said:The code. You mean the one where a team loads up with a squad of goons who challenge opposing players to fight based on some perceived transgression, essentially trading one no-talent thug for one skilled player from the other team?
That's a really unfortunate team name.RedRocketeer said:
Well, I'm a RedRocketeer from North Attleboro High School.
If there is any other connotation to the name RedRocketeer then I am not aware of it, but from your post I gather that you most definitely do.
I'm indifferent but he certainly seems to like it, so I indulge him.PedroSpecialK said:Haha TSOYRRA likes to jack his dog off
Has it, though?Smiling Joe Hesketh said:Well this has certainly been entertaining.
For some reason I read Dojji as Dixie and now I have "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" stuck in my head.TheShynessClinic said:Oh my god he's like Dojji only worse.