Brady is back….back again

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If the small % chance that this had legs do most expect Brady to grind the Pats over the contract. Hometown discount or he is going to say I want 40 mill per year or I will go elsewhere.
He lost his sugar momma - he needs to get paid.
 

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OK, I'll bite, even though I probably shouldn't. Is the "Tommy" thing a running joke, or are people in this thread actually calling him that for real? I know where I am, and I know how this place generally feels about this Brady dude, but this is weirding me out. I think I've seen his dad call him Tommy, are we riffing on that?
Ohhh, really glad you bit on this. It's an important issue. Is this really weirding you out?
 

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Whatever, I have no interest in arguing with someone who I think is shitty. Back to the Brady discussion everybody.
 

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OK, I'll bite, even though I probably shouldn't. Is the "Tommy" thing a running joke, or are people in this thread actually calling him that for real? I know where I am, and I know how this place generally feels about this Brady dude, but this is weirding me out. I think I've seen his dad call him Tommy, are we riffing on that?
That's his name. Ask Charlie Weis.
 

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Bill Simmons going hard to the hole on the Brady-returning-to-the-Pats rumor on today's podcast. I dunno, it kinda feels like bad Sports Talk Radio schtick to me. I can't imagine that Brady looks at this dumpster fire offense from coaching staff to offensive line to skill position weapons and thinks that this is anything close to a Super Bowl contender next season.
 

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Bill Simmons going hard to the hole on the Brady-returning-to-the-Pats rumor on today's podcast. I dunno, it kinda feels like bad Sports Talk Radio schtick to me. I can't imagine that Brady looks at this dumpster fire offense from coaching staff to offensive line to skill position weapons and thinks that this is anything close to a Super Bowl contender next season.
Yeah, if his experience with the Bowled/Leftwich combo doesn't make "good offensive minded HC/play caller combo" his number 1 priority in the off-season he's really gone off the deep end.
 

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If it wasn’t already clear that Simmons’ hot take was schtick, I laughed out loud when Simmons said that the Pats having a good offensive line was another reason Brady would want to come back here. Egads, Trent Brown would get him killed.
 

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Simmons has been pretty good on Brady stuff. I remember him really mocking Seth Wickersham back in the day, making up with him and promoting his work, and since then his info seems much better. Just an observation.
 

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Yeah, we've turned the page and need to keep it turned. Time to focus on moving forward not backwards.

But there's no way it's happening, so nothing to worry about. Just occasional click bait to read from time to time.
I have seen what this page looks like. I don't know if backwards is the best direction to focus, but I can't reconcile Thursday's shitshow and "boy, can't wait to see what comes next!"

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Plia bility.
I was *sure* you were going to go with "broken clock."
 

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I listened to the segment and now want nothing more than a homecoming, even if it's only a 10-15% chance of working out. I'm more of an NBA fan these days and would be far more reluctant to delay a rebuild. If it doesn't work, Brady and Bill will both exit and they can worry about the future.
 

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It's really like fans at a farewell tour at this point. Players absolutely worship him. Look at that genuine respect and thrill a lot of the 49ers have there. Purdy looking around for Brady to shake his hand too.

It must be amazing to be able to play against a legend.
 

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I was half asleep and not paying that much attention, but I think I saw him signing the ball for one of the guys that picked him off. Of course I'm sure we've all seen him leave the field pretty quickly at times as well, so like most people he's not perfectly consistent. I think I do see him hanging around more often than not though.
 

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I was half asleep and not paying that much attention, but I think I saw him signing the ball for one of the guys that picked him off. Of course I'm sure we've all seen him leave the field pretty quickly at times as well, so like most people he's not perfectly consistent. I think I do see him hanging around more often than not though.
He signed a guy's jersey directly in one of these videos from the 49ers game too.
 

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He probably *does* "tweak" things. But I just don't believe the "coaches don't find out how 'til later" part.
 

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His numbers this year are strikingly similar to 2019, when he engineered his last exit via free agency. I 100% expect the same this off-season.
 

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49ers still seem to make a lot of sense, given the opportunity to finish his career playing close to his mom and dad for his favorite team from his boyhood. It would also give the team a year to decide what to do with Trey Lance.
 

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49ers still seem to make a lot of sense, given the opportunity to finish his career playing close to his mom and dad for his favorite team from his boyhood. It would also give the team a year to decide what to do with Trey Lance.
SF deciding three years after spurning him that he is the right play would be a bit surprising to me, but I agree that they SHOULD explore it.

You can’t really run Shanahan’s bread and butter rollouts well with Brady at this stage, so Shanahan would have to get over that, not to mention accept ceding a ton of power over the offense to Brady.
 

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I don't know, I was a lot more confident he could still perform at a top 5 QB level after 2019. I think this is the year father time started catching up in this particular race. Don't think Tom is fully trusting his arm and he seems very reluctant to stand in the pocket and face the risk of a hit to deliver the ball. The OL sucks and the whole offensive design and play calling is absolute garbage, but if I'm a contender I don't know if I'm buying a 46 year old Brady as the guy to put me over the top.

Regarding the 49ers, Kyle Shanahan got an MVP season out of Matt Ryan, so I don't think Brady's lack of foot speed would be any impediment to his success there.
 

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49ers still seem to make a lot of sense, given the opportunity to finish his career playing close to his mom and dad for his favorite team from his boyhood. It would also give the team a year to decide what to do with Trey Lance.
I think that would depend entirely on how they do in the playoffs with Purdy. If they get to or win the Super Bowl with him, I can’t see how or why they would bring Brady in for one year.
 

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I think that would depend entirely on how they do in the playoffs with Purdy. If they get to or win the Super Bowl with him, I can’t see how or why they would bring Brady in for one year.
I think that team is enough of a steamroller that Purdy could take them to the Super Bowl, but I can't see them beating KC/Buffalo/Cincy without top tier QB play. This could be 2019 redux for them.
 

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I think that team is enough of a steamroller that Purdy could take them to the Super Bowl, but I can't see them beating KC/Buffalo/Cincy without top tier QB play. This could be 2019 redux for them.
Would tend to agree, but his poise and maturity have been pretty remarkable to watch. If they think he has more ceiling to reach, would be a tough call to interrupt or derail that for one year of Brady( who’s going to play like his age one of these years, right?…… right?). Roundabout way of saying, unfortunately, I also think Miami is Tom’s most likely landing spot.
 

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I don't know, I was a lot more confident he could still perform at a top 5 QB level after 2019. I think this is the year father time started catching up in this particular race. Don't think Tom is fully trusting his arm and he seems very reluctant to stand in the pocket and face the risk of a hit to deliver the ball. The OL sucks and the whole offensive design and play calling is absolute garbage, but if I'm a contender I don't know if I'm buying a 46 year old Brady as the guy to put me over the top.

Regarding the 49ers, Kyle Shanahan got an MVP season out of Matt Ryan, so I don't think Brady's lack of foot speed would be any impediment to his success there.
It isn’t really about having great foot speed, it’s about being comfortable and effective moving the pocket and throwing on the run consistently. Brady doesn’t do that.
 
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As the comparison has been made with Brady's 2019 season, thought I'd try to dissect it a bit [with NFL ranking in brackets]:

2019: 60.8% completion rate [27th] on 613 attempts [4th] , 4057 yards [7th], 8 interceptions [8th best by percentage of attempts], 21 sacks [24th], 88.0 rating [19th], 55.7 QBR [16th].

2022: 66% completion rate [13th] on league leading 671 pass attempts, 4178 yards [3rd], 9 interceptions [5th best], 19 sacks [29th], 87.9 rating [22nd], 49.5 QBR [22nd].

The two seasons do seem comparable using the above stats, with the usual caveat that QBR may not be useful to compare across seasons. But there is a definite difference in his yards/completion and yards/attempt:

2019: 10.9 YPC [23rd], 6.6 YPA [28th], 6.24 Adj Net YPA [17th].

2022: 9.2 YPC [31st], 6.2 YPA [31st], 5.88 Adj Net YPA [20th].

The 2022 stats are the worse for Brady since 2002, and represent a marked decline from his prior seasons at Tampa. In 2019, there was a clear decline in Brady's stats that directly correlated to the team's receiving corps getting thinner and thinner as the season wore on. In 2022, Brady's numbers have been consistently subpar all season. For comparison:

2022 Mac Jones: 65.6% [16th] on 369 attempts [19th], 2550 yards [19th], 8 INT [18th], 30 sacks [12], 84.6 rating [27th], 32.3 QBR [31st], 10.5 YPC [25th], 6.9 YPA [22nd], 5.41 Adj Net YPA [23rd]
 

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All Tampa has to do now is beat Carolina and they will win the division... and play Dak and the Cowboys in the playoffs.
 

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Watching the Bucs and Brady is tough. They go into that two minute drill offense and look fine. For a majority of the game they look like the worst offense in football. After every positive play I assume there will be a flag, and in most cases there is.
Possibly the strangest thing is the lack of connection between Evans and Brady. It seems like over half his interceptions have come when targeting Evans. When Brady does find him, it is either a penalty or a drop, except when running the two minute offense.
Basically, Brady still has the talent to be a top half QB in this league, not sure about top 5 consistently anymore. Though a lot of his poor stats this year seem to be coming from lack of trust in his line and just overall poor play from the team.
Just last night he missed an open Julio for a TD (Brady’s fault), had a TD called back on a penalty (not his fault), and had to settle for several FGs for a variety of reasons.
 

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All Tampa has to do now is beat Carolina and they will win the division... and play Dak and the Cowboys in the playoffs.
I think Cowboys would destroy the Bucs as long as Dak doesn’t throw it away. Their pass rush is pretty tough and I don’t think Brady could exploit their weakness in the secondary.
 

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Feels like Tampa’s recipe for success is to try to hang in on defense and absorb as much pass rush as possible for three quarters.

Brady has a super natural ability to get everyone to the line fast in the two minute drill, and figure out the defense in about three seconds. Tampa’s only effective pass protection scheme seems to be the league’s best two minute offense versus defenders who have worn themselves out a little.

Against a well conditioned defense, or a team that has a big time of possession advantage, or an offense that puts up too many points early, they seem like they should be underdogs. Betting against Brady seems hazardous, but they sure do feel like a one and done this year. He always seems to defy expectations though.
 

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Isn't Brady to the Jets a no-brainer? Seems like a team that has everything it needs to be a serious contender except the QB, and no QB currently on the roster standing in his way.
 

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Predicting 2023 cap space for teams that do not have an equivalent of Miguel is a little bit difficult, but it seems as though finding $30 million in room would be a significant challenge for the Dolphins. A bit easier for the Jets or Niners. Not easy for anyone though.

I know the perception is that the cap is easy to manipulate, but it really does impact what else you can do. Between Purdy’s emergence, Jimmy G’s contract, and Brady‘s family, the Niners just seems too obvious. Although, if they were to win a championship this year, it could get weird.
 

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I know some semi-plugged in Raider fans that are convinced he ends his career with McDaniels in Las Vegas. Swan song location for all the former greats.

As far as personnel, I think a big #1 WR with good TE/slot options would be more enticing than smaller speedsters like Miami. Gronk might be interested in a year or two there as well.

SF also works and is a better team than LV, though at this stage not sure he wants to start an entirely new coaching relationship, even if he likes Shanahan.
 

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SF also works and is a better team than LV, though at this stage not sure he wants to start an entirely new coaching relationship, even if he likes Shanahan.
I wonder if that puts Tennessee in play, given his relationship with Vrabel and the Titans expected to be moving on from Tannehill
 

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I wonder if that puts Tennessee in play, given his relationship with Vrabel and the Titans expected to be moving on from Tannehill
True, though my hunch is at this stage for 1-2 more years, he cares mostly about offense and X’s and O’s coaching.

Knowing/respecting someone like Vrabel is nice but doubt that’s enough.
 

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Isn't Brady to the Jets a no-brainer? Seems like a team that has everything it needs to be a serious contender except the QB, and no QB currently on the roster standing in his way.
If he ends up on the Dolphins I'll hate every second of it and will openly root for him to fail for the first time in his career. If he ends up on the Jets I might have to look into gouging my eyes out with a spoon so as to not accidentally see an image of him in a Jets uniform.
 

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I think Cowboys would destroy the Bucs as long as Dak doesn’t throw it away. Their pass rush is pretty tough and I don’t think Brady could exploit their weakness in the secondary.
I'm not sure they will beat Carolina.
 
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Isn't Brady to the Jets a no-brainer? Seems like a team that has everything it needs to be a serious contender except the QB, and no QB currently on the roster standing in his way.
Isn't Brady to the Jets a no-brainer? Seems like a team that has everything it needs to be a serious contender except the QB, and no QB currently on the roster standing in his way.
Championship-calibre defence, but on offense are they really a QB away? Jets Oline is tough to judge because of all the injuries, especially at tackle. Breece Hall is probably really good but also coming off an ACL tear. They don’t really have explosive playmakers on offense. SF, MIA, or retire would be my top 3 predictions.
 

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Championship-calibre defence, but on offense are they really a QB away? Jets Oline is tough to judge because of all the injuries, especially at tackle. Breece Hall is probably really good but also coming off an ACL tear. They don’t really have explosive playmakers on offense. SF, MIA, or retire would be my top 3 predictions.
Healthy, the Jets are loaded. Garrett Wilson should be Rookie of the Year. But we are never healthy so it is kind of pointless to think about.