What is he getting at here with “perversion of the salary arbitration process”?Time to back out and start over, Chaim.
View: https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1225901885577711616
What is he getting at here with “perversion of the salary arbitration process”?Time to back out and start over, Chaim.
View: https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/status/1225901885577711616
Well it’s not just Dodger fans saying this. I caught Dale Arnold this morning spinning this theory.Regarding your scandal comment, I already became some what of a Giant's fan because Dodger fans drive me crazy living in their world. post-scandal they have become intolerable. The most frustrating narrative out of this is Mookie coming to LA is a make up for the Sox cheating them out of the series. Yes, my Dodger fan friends are saying it half joking but i'm hearing it so often from so many people that even the thought of Mookie in pinstripes, beating the Dodgers next fall made me smirk. Something is seriously wrong when the thought of Mookie in pinstripes did anything but give me a panic attack.
Is he accusing the Dodgers of having ulterior motives in their arbitration proceedings with Pederson—of trying to depress his salary not for the sake of their own payroll, but rather to make him as valuable a piece as possible in their trade with the Angels? Not sure how one would split that hair, frankly.What is he getting at here with “perversion of the salary arbitration process”?
Possibly due to how close we are to spring training, guys feeling left in limbo, need to tend to personal matters while preparing for the season. Not 100% sure why that might be the case, but that's might be how the union could spin it.No, you're not the only one. Maybe the union always does this, and this just happens to be about a trade involving a much bigger name player so we hear about it. But, the medical discussion hardly seems that unusual.
Maybe, he has lots of apples, and has had lots of apples for the last several years, bur they seem to spoli to soon, So Farmer Friedman has to estimate the shelf life of his bushel come harvest time and whether it will last a little longer than in the past, and perhaps benefit with the cross polination of (sorry) Macintosh Betts.Unfortunately, this equally explains why farmer Friedman might not be as eager to add Boston's apple to his bushel basket as we all assume he is.
Thank you very much, a...Mookie Apple.Maybe, he has lots of apples, and has had lots of apples for the last several years, bur they seem to spoli to soon, So Farmer Friedman has to estimate the shelf life of his bushel come harvest time and whether it will last a little longer than in the past, and perhaps benefit with the cross polination of (sorry) Macintosh Betts.
I know, right? It would seriously be the most hilarious thing ever if Mookie won series MVP for beating on the Dodgers’ starters then went to Atlanta and did the same thing in the ‘21 playoffs.The most frustrating narrative out of this is Mookie coming to LA is a make up for the Sox cheating them out of the series. Yes, my Dodger fan friends are saying it half joking but i'm hearing it so often from so many people that even the thought of Mookie in pinstripes, beating the Dodgers next fall made me smirk.
You'd have to be locked up in Boras's basement developing a whopping case of stockholm syndrome to believe that, but despite that, this makes me want to squeeze the Dodgers for Downs and be done.Heyman: Agent Scott Boras: Brusdar Graterol threw “without limitation” and 100 mph in majors for weeks to end 2019 and he has no great medical concern. “They’re relying on a cursory medical record review yet noted orthopedic doctors who saw him say there’s no issue going forward”
Agreed. Fuck it.It’s shit or get off the pot time boys. The union is right, these guys have to report in a few days. It’s completely unfair to them to let this drag out. Kill the deal and be done with it.
Downs, Gray or Gonsolin would do the trick of course. But even if it were Caleb Ferguson, whose spin and home run rates we all spent a day dissecting, I think that would suffice.It shouldn't be Minnesota giving us another top 10 prospect. It's not going to happen. Squeeze the Dodgers for one of Downs/Gray/Gonsolin. Add a bullpen piece like Barnes if you have to. It's not like a reliever in arbitration is that valuable to a team that has already made the decision to throw in the towel by trading their best player.
No one outside the respective front offices should even know about any of this. Also they are fully grown very rich men. I think they can handle a little inconvenience.It’s shit or get off the pot time boys. The union is right, these guys have to report in a few days. It’s completely unfair to them to let this drag out. Kill the deal and be done with it.
I believe the name you're looking for is a Mookintosh.Thank you very much, a...Mookie Apple.
This is exactly where I’m at. I was bummed about losing Mookie but thought we were getting some promising pieces in return. I’ve totally soured on the deal now and hope they just kill it. Is there any way they can get under the cap while holding Mookie until the deadline?I was happy with this deal when it was 50-grade Alex Verdugo + 55-grade SP Brusdar Graterol. For one year of Mookie and a subsidized Price, I thought it was a solid return of 5 years of control of Verdugo and 6 of Graterol (I was a big fan but assumed he would have the chance to be a starter).
But then I read the Verdugo story and Brusdar's medicals which make it seem like he's just a reliever. I'm now totally fine with walking away from this deal if Friedman or Minnesota is unwilling to put something else into the deal.
I think I'm kind of in the same, "I just want to watch the world burn" mindset as well. Screw everyone involved in this deal on all three teams.I'm being petty as hell, but I want Friedman to kick in a quality arm, or I want this to Hindenburg right over the Hollywoo sign.
I realize that the latter is truly cutting off the nose to spite the face in a lot of ways, but I don't care at this point, especially knowing about the health issues of both pieces and Verdugo resembling an asshat.
If they don't get under the threshold, it's not 2020 that's the problem. It's 2021 (when Mookie becomes a FA) and beyond that's the problem.Agreed. Fuck it.
I want no part of Verdugo at this point, and I just assume 2020 is fucked to begin with. Just walk away.
Maybe the Dodgers panic and up the offer, maybe not. I’m not even sure what I want anymore. Whatever.
No matter how many times this has been explained, some folks don't get it. Strange.If they don't get under the threshold, it's not 2020 that's the problem. It's 2021 (when Mookie becomes a FA) and beyond that's the problem.
I get it.No matter how many times this has been explained, some folks don't get it. Strange.
Likewise. After spending many weeks convincing myself that the trade was unavoidable, I now believe that ownership should bite the bullet and sign Mookie to the deal he wants. If the contract is an albatross during the last few years, so be it. Mookie is a generational talent, a joy to watch, and a thoroughly decent, community-minded citizen. He is, and should continue to be, the face of the franchise.I get it.
But I’m admittedly bitter and petty over it. I don’t want this trade to happen. I never wanted this trade to happen. And I hope this trade completely falls apart. I hate this trade and might stop following baseball because of it.
"The Padres couldn't really compete"; yup, pretty much every year of their existence.San Diego was not interested in David Price. I'm sure his name came up (from Bloom), but the Padres don't really have the budget for Betts and Price. They were looking to snag a year of Mookie to make a playoff run without giving up any of their top prospects.
The Sox were looking at trading Mookie to SD for prospects and Price elsewhere while covering much of his contract. Once the Dodgers came in and said they'd take both, plus give the Sox two prospects, the Padres couldn't really compete.
Do you have trouble with the curve?I am as likely to be in the Yankees’ Opening Day lineup as Mookie is, come on now.
His contract won't be an albatross in a few years, it will be an albatross immediately (unless JH has a psychotic break and decides his only reason for existing is to pour his wealth into the Red Sox, LT be damned). If you live in the Reality Based Universe and would like Mookie to be the face of the franchise into the '20s, trading him now isn't an option, it's essential.Likewise. After spending many weeks convincing myself that the trade was unavoidable, I now believe that ownership should bite the bullet and sign Mookie to the deal he wants. If the contract is an albatross during the last few years, so be it. Mookie is a generational talent, a joy to watch, and a thoroughly decent, community-minded citizen. He is, and should continue to be, the face of the franchise.
From my mouth to John Henry's ears.
In the Reality Based Universe, the year 2020 and its attendant payroll were always quite visibly on the horizon. The fact that DD signed Sale and Eovaldi to their respective contracts was a clear denial of that fact.His contract won't be an albatross in a few years, it will be an albatross immediately (unless JH has a psychotic break and decides his only reason for existing is to pour his wealth into the Red Sox, LT be damned). If you live in the Reality Based Universe and would like Mookie to be the face of the franchise into the '20s, trading him now isn't an option, it's essential.
Mookie is not going to be the face of the Red Sox this decade, you need to accept that. That decision was made when they handed out $213 million to Eovaldi and Sale last winter. Even with a one year re-set the exact same problem repeats itself if you re-sign him. When he’s traded he’s gone. They will certainly participate in the bidding, prudent marketing demands that much. But they’re going to bow out as he signs his mega deal elsewhere.If you live in the Reality Based Universe and would like Mookie to be the face of the franchise into the '20s, trading him now isn't an option, it's essential.
Please cite the Twitter rumorsThere are Twitter rumors of us taking this guy instead from the Twins...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=balazo000jor
I still remember almost shitting my pants with his drive down the line.Hey ... there are ground rules about using a joke like that
Oh, I don't think there's a chance in hell they get him back. But if your choices are "slim" and "none," you should probably go with "slim." But I'm not sure what you mean w/the bolded. If the the team is reckless enough to sign him for 12/420 a year from now, at least it's not de facto 12/630.Mookie is not going to be the face of the Red Sox this decade, you need to accept that. That decision was made when they handed out $213 million to Eovaldi and Sale last winter. Even with a one year re-set the exact same problem repeats itself if you re-sign him. When he’s traded he’s gone. They will certainly participate in the bidding, prudent marketing demands that much. But they’re going to bow out as he signs his mega deal elsewhere.
All you want now is the most talent you can possibly get as you try to rebuild a stripped farm system so that they can build a team around a handful of anchor deals and low-priced talent everywhere else.
Alas, the creative young GM cannot spin gold from straw. Math is math. I'm guessing they took a few minutes to explore the pros and cons of resetting now v. 2021, and looking at how it would need to be done in either year.In the Reality Based Universe, the year 2020 and its attendant payroll were always quite visibly on the horizon. The fact that DD signed Sale and Eovaldi to their respective contracts was a clear denial of that fact.
But you don't trade Mookie Betts because you've been incompetent about planning for the future. You task your creative young GM with figuring out some other way to get yourself under the luxury tax. Did the Red Sox really explore all of their other options? All of this talk about the LA deal being "cleaner" than the SD deal makes me wonder about that.
Are in season trades no longer allowed? A huge number of players spend the entire month of July not knowing where they're going to play the next day. Having to wait to find out whether you're reporting to Florida or Arizona for a month and a half isn't nearly as big a deal.It’s shit or get off the pot time boys. The union is right, these guys have to report in a few days. It’s completely unfair to them to let this drag out. Kill the deal and be done with it.
They could trade a half priced Price to the Twins for a bag of balls and put JD on waivers to see if anyone takes his contract.This is exactly where I’m at. I was bummed about losing Mookie but thought we were getting some promising pieces in return. I’ve totally soured on the deal now and hope they just kill it. Is there any way they can get under the cap while holding Mookie until the deadline?
If Chaim could have moved Price at half price for anything he would have done it by now.They could trade a half priced Price to the Twins for a bag of balls and put JD on waivers to see if anyone takes his contract.
Yeah, I think this has hit a wall.Hey ... there are ground rules about using a joke like that
Looks bad on the Sox. Take our shit to save yourselves money. Fuck that...View: https://twitter.com/danhayesmlb/status/1225973653805903873?s=21
That kinda reenforces the Red Sox stance imo. Twins are saying “Oh no we wouldn’t give you the #4 ranked guy who’s pitched at lower level, you can have the 3# ranked guy who’s pitched in the majors”
That doesn’t add up at all and just really makes it clear that something is truly up with his medicals.
My assumption is that the Dodgers were the only team willing to take Price without a much larger subsidy. The Twins might be willing to give a different prospect to land Maeda, but they won’t take Price at anything close to 3/45.They could trade a half priced Price to the Twins for a bag of balls and put JD on waivers to see if anyone takes his contract.