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Hopefully Bradley knows we had Nelly perform at halftime of one of the playoff games.
 

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Not a match here. We complained about our pg Marcus having too much ball usage to the detriment of the Jays. This would make it worse.
 

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Not a match here. We complained about our pg Marcus having too much ball usage to the detriment of the Jays. This would make it worse.
I don’t recall that complaint at all. Smart’s issue is that he struggles imitating offense against PG pressure forcing Tatum to act in that role which is the polar opposite of too much usage out of Smart.
 

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If by 'less likely' you mean virtually impossible, then, yes.
Miami could make it work if they send out Lowry and if they can find a taker for Robinson's contract.
We could facilitate that via our TPE. But, is there any value Miami could provide to us that would make that worth our while to improve the Heat like that? Robinson (into Fournier TPE) + Herro for a top 55 protected 2nd round pick + Nesmith? I assume Miami would laugh uproariously at that. But, then, we aren't obliged to help them unless they pay us handsomely to do it? They can probably find some team willing to do it for picks.
 
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This means his only choices are a team that has room under the cap (how many of those could there be?) or a team that will sign and trade for him, right? But, on the second point - for any team to do that it hard caps them, which I imagine is difficult for most teams (I believe it'd be nearly impossible for Boston, for example). That would seem to also significantly limit his choices, no?

I assume his agent must have talked to some teams (or the team he wants to go to) to figure out where he's going to go already. Otherwise, it seems like he would have had more options just picking up his option.
 

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This means his only choices are a team that has room under the cap (how many of those could there be?) or a team that will sign and trade for him, right? But, on the second point - for any team to do that it hard caps them, which I imagine is difficult for most teams (I believe it'd be nearly impossible for Boston, for example). That would seem to also significantly limit his choices, no?

I assume his agent must have talked to some teams (or the team he wants to go to) to figure out where he's going to go already. Otherwise, it seems like he would have had more options just picking up his option.
Yes, his agent has to have worked most of this out. Maybe not all, but most. He knows he has a landing spot that Beal likes.

I wonder if Beal departure opens up some other possibilities? Do we want KCP or Kuzma?
 

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This means his only choices are a team that has room under the cap (how many of those could there be?) or a team that will sign and trade for him, right? But, on the second point - for any team to do that it hard caps them, which I imagine is difficult for most teams (I believe it'd be nearly impossible for Boston, for example). That would seem to also significantly limit his choices, no?

I assume his agent must have talked to some teams (or the team he wants to go to) to figure out where he's going to go already. Otherwise, it seems like he would have had more options just picking up his option.
If he wants a new contract now, when the free agent market is fairly thin of high profile players, then he will have enough options to get a lucrative deal. Waiting a year always adds the risk of injury or a down year. There are some teams that could make a sign-and-trade work (Miami, for example). And there was at least one rumor that he intended to stay in Washington, in which case the opt out makes perfect sense.
 

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I could definitely see Miami making it work. Him and Butler together would be quite a pair.

Doesn't work for us with the opt out because of the hard cap. I was interested to see if they could swing it, but let's snag Kuzma from them instead.
 

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This means his only choices are a team that has room under the cap (how many of those could there be?) or a team that will sign and trade for him, right? But, on the second point - for any team to do that it hard caps them, which I imagine is difficult for most teams (I believe it'd be nearly impossible for Boston, for example). That would seem to also significantly limit his choices, no?

I assume his agent must have talked to some teams (or the team he wants to go to) to figure out where he's going to go already. Otherwise, it seems like he would have had more options just picking up his option.
Yes, his agent has to have worked most of this out. Maybe not all, but most. He knows he has a landing spot that Beal likes.

I wonder if Beal departure opens up some other possibilities? Do we want KCP or Kuzma?
Are we certain that he’s leaving Washington and not simply signing his next big contract (5/$248M) now that he has ten years in the league?
 

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Right. Beal's signing the max extension with Washington and staying put for this year. He might well demand a trade next offseason, but he's getting paid first.
If Washington offers it. (Though, the fact that Beal opted out suggests that they have. I think he would have retained more flexibility to shop for a new preferred destination by opting in.)
 

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If Washington offers it. (Though, the fact that Beal opted out suggests that they have. I think he would have retained more flexibility to shop for a new preferred destination by opting in.)
I'd be shocked if Washington didn't offer him that contract. They don't have anything else going for them. Should they let him walk and bottom out? Probably, but Washington's been mostly terrible for a long time, and they haven't shown any inclination to be bad on purpose. They're at least gambling that they can move him if they have to once he's signed for non-negative value. They're probably wrong about that, but this is what bad teams do.
 

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If Washington offers it. (Though, the fact that Beal opted out suggests that they have. I think he would have retained more flexibility to shop for a new preferred destination by opting in.)
To be fair, it's not quite a fact yet. Beal seemed to imply it's not done.

 
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Yes, his agent has to have worked most of this out. Maybe not all, but most. He knows he has a landing spot that Beal likes.

I wonder if Beal departure opens up some other possibilities? Do we want KCP or Kuzma?
Waking up to talk of Beal’s departure in posts like this. Did Beal or his agent say they wanted out of Washington last night? I assumed that when I heard that he declined the option that he’s now OFF the market and going to extend with the Wizards. I’m asking bc I don’t have time to scan through news this morning.
 

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Waking up to talk of Beal’s departure in posts like this. Did Beal or his agent say they wanted out of Washington last night? I assumed that when I heard that he declined the option that he’s now OFF the market and going to extend with the Wizards. I’m asking bc I don’t have time to scan through news this morning.
A reporter said he was opting out to 'test the market' though it's unclear if the reporter (not one of the top guys) knows the difference between opting out to get the max deal with Wash vs truly 'testing the market'
 

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A reporter said he was opting out to 'test the market' though it's unclear if the reporter (not one of the top guys) knows the difference between opting out to get the max deal with Wash vs truly 'testing the market'
Ok thanks. My money is on the reporter not understanding the nuances of opting out until I hear anything from a reputable source. Do you know the reporters name by any chance?
 

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It really speaks to how convoluted the NBA's CBA is that opting into a contract with a team, as opposed to opting out for free agency, is the option that would give the player more flexibility to choose a new destination.
 

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It really speaks to how convoluted the NBA's CBA is that opting into a contract with a team, as opposed to opting out for free agency, is the option that would give the player more flexibility to choose a new destination.
Irving is in the same situation, so much easier to trade if he opts in.

I think it has more to do with the pandemic and the smaller cap/tax increases we've seen in recent years. It wasn't that long ago when contending teams were content with being hard capped at the apron, including the Warriors and Nets in 2019 who pulled off the huge DLo/Durant sign-and-trade. The Bucks were even bold enough to attempt it in 2020, which would have been a hard needle to thread. For the upcoming year, it seems like far more teams are going to be operating above the apron.

I linked an Keith Smith tweet from 2019 discussing the huge number of sign and trade deals from that offseason.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1150484140250345472
 

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I don't know what the second order impacts would be, but it seems a bit odd to me that teams can't send money along to offset the cost of a player. For example, if a team misreads the market on a player and gives him a $30 million/year contract and his value to other teams is $20 million, it would seem to make sense that the first team has the option to eat $10 million and another team gets him for $20 million.

Take the GH situation, if Charlotte decides he's no longer in their plans, it would seem reasonable to eat some of his contract, and find someone who values Hayward at whatever his current value is. But, the NBA's CBA doesn't allow that. Again, maybe there are other second order impacts of allowing things like that, I don't know. John Wall is another odd situation. I assume he has some value to somebody - but instead of playing basketball, he's sitting around doing nothing.
 

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Irving is in the same situation, so much easier to trade if he opts in.

I think it has more to do with the pandemic and the smaller cap/tax increases we've seen in recent years. It wasn't that long ago when contending teams were content with being hard capped at the apron, including the Warriors and Nets in 2019 who pulled off the huge DLo/Durant sign-and-trade. The Bucks were even bold enough to attempt it in 2020, which would have been a hard needle to thread. For the upcoming year, it seems like far more teams are going to be operating above the apron.

I linked an Keith Smith tweet from 2019 discussing the huge number of sign and trade deals from that offseason.

View: https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1150484140250345472
I think we’re overstating the impact. The number of hard capped teams isn’t the right barometer, but the number of teams that operated above the Apron. Only teams that plan to spend at that level need to worry about being hard capped. Last year there were 7 such teams, but even that overstates the issue. The Lakers, Utah, and Philly were all within $5 million of the Apron so surely could’ve gotten below if they needed to. The Bucks were almost $10 million over, so probably doable but more challenging. Only the Warriors, Clippers, and Nets were well over the hard cap. So, opting out really only removes a handful of options as sign and trade possibilities (many of whom wouldn’t be practical options anyway).
 

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Yeah, not sure why he wouldn't considering I'm sure it comes with the understanding that both sides can move on whenever.
 

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Yeah the thing with Beal is if he's turning down a ton of money to go somewhere else, it has to be a place that has a spot for him, and can win a title.
BOS has the Tatum connection, but is an awkward fit and just tough to manage.

Only place that made actual sense was MIA.
 

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Philly makes a lot of sense for Harris and Maxey. Embiid is rumored to have wanted him at the trade deadline before the injury intervened and they went with Harden.
Maybe, my feeling is WAS wouldn't be willing to eat Harris unless it's a lot more than that. Also... Hard and Beal as a backcourt, and 100M tied up in those 2?