Barcelona 2014-15: Mes Que Un Cleanout

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Barca looked strong in the first leg of the Copa matchup against Atleti.  Ter Stegen looked great in net (although he was rarely tested) and on the ball, and the rest of the team kept up their solid form.  The refereeing was pretty bad and robbed Barcelona of some good chances in the second half.  Specifically, Atelti started beating up Suarez, Messi and Neymar in the attacking third because the refs weren't calling anything, including a pretty bad take down of Suarez when he beat a defender to a through ball and would have been in on goal.  I'm feeling good about Barca going to the Calderon for the second leg and pulling out a win.
 

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Great start to the Atelti Copa game.  Definitely worth watching if you are not already. Both teams look like they are in top form right now.
 

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That first half yesterday was absolutely bonkers. Definitely one of the most exciting 45 minutes I've seen in a long time. Atleti came up with a great gameplan against Barca and I imagine other teams will try and copy. Press the backline hard and flood the midfield. This led to the Torres goal, which was a bit lucky, but nonetheless awesome, and it kept Barca out of their comfort zone. Now, this also led to way too much room on the break for Barca, but if you need or want to score goals against Barca, this is certainly one way to go about it. It's unfortunate that Gabi got red carded in the tunnel during half time, definitely want to know more about what happened there, and I have no idea how Turan didn't get straight red for throwing his cleat at a linesman. Alba get decked by the linesman was also pretty funny. I thought the Atleti PK was bullshit, hardly a foul and outside the box. Justice was served though, when Alba's handball in the box wasn't called. Barca get the winner of Villareal and Getafe, and play Villareal on Sunday in one of their remaining tricky fixtures.
 

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That first half yesterday was absolutely bonkers. Definitely one of the most exciting 45 minutes I've seen in a long time. Atleti came up with a great gameplan against Barca and I imagine other teams will try and copy. Press the backline hard and flood the midfield. This led to the Torres goal, which was a bit lucky, but nonetheless awesome, and it kept Barca out of their comfort zone. Now, this also led to way too much room on the break for Barca, but if you need or want to score goals against Barca, this is certainly one way to go about it.
 
Agreed about the excitement, it was amazing to watch.  However, the fact that Barca were able to be so effective on the counter against a generally disciplined and defensively steadfast team like Atletico makes me think it will be last-resort tactic.  Giving loads of space to Messi, Neymar and Suarez is just asking for trouble - which is exactly what Atletico received yesterday.  Could a non-suspended Godin have made a difference?  Possibly, but that's a pretty fearsome counterattacking unit.
 

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Really riveting game against Villareal yesterday. In fact, I started the day off with an encouraging Michigan bball loss to MSU, an awesome Barca game, and climaxed (both literally and figuratively) with the Pats SB win. Villareal played a great game, but Messi, Rafinha, and Neymar would not be denied. Rafinha really stood out and had his best game, while the front 3 did their thing. Suarez missed a couple of good chances, but his workrate continues to be good and create space for Messi and Neymar. These teams will meet against on 2/11 for the first leg of their Copa del Rey quarterfinals matchup.
 

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If the world were fair, we'd all be fans of Villarreal. Or Eibar, for that matter. Instead, we somehow find it fun to root for Barcelona and its stars and Atletico and its stars. Sure, Barca and Atleti are fun to root for -- they win, play great football, often have chips on their shoulders, and go deep into three tournaments each year. Come on, though. Let's abandon the riches of our beloved teams and adopt these truly exciting squads. 
 
I take Eibar, you take Villarreal?
 
Seriously, that match was really exciting. Barca finally seems to be firing on all cylinders. 
 

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I've definitely been rooting for Eibar since their promotion and the articles about their story came out. I enjoy your Atleti because Simeone is a hoss and the way he gets the team to play is excellent. I have no problem with Sevilla, Valencia, or Athletic. Obviously, I root for Barca, but there's also an element of just enjoying Spanish soccer. In sum, I'm watching more Liga than I pretty much ever have and it's wonderful.
 

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Barca trotted out a somewhat surprising starting XI and the result was a 5-0 win over lowly Levante. The defense included Adriano, Masch, Bartra, and Montoya. Xavi, Rakitic, and Sergio played in the MF, while Messi, Neymar, and Pedro started up top. The highlight of the game without a doubt was Suarez' scissor kick goal, which you can see here - http://screamer.deadspin.com/get-a-load-of-this-bicycle-kick-luis-suarez-just-scored-1685948733/+GregHoward1. That's a pure scissor kick goal, which are incredibly rare. Enjoy.
 
It's kind of amazing how Barca went from having shoddy CBs last year, to having too much quality. A lot of this is just from Pique going from shit to world class again, but Bartra is a rising star, Mathieu was an excellent pickup, Masch continues to play at a high level, and we haven't even seen Vermaelen yet. I don't know if Barca's transfer ban prohibits them from loaning out players, but assuming all of these CBs are on the roster come summer, it would make sense to have 1-2 CBs out on loan. If Alves leaves, it would be interesting to have Mathieu as a starting FB, or going 3 at the back. Messi looked slightly off this game and somehow still got a hat trick (1 was a penalty). Montoya and Adriano didn't seem to be as effective as Alba and Alves. Sergio recovered very well and had an excellent game. Xavi got to feel young again, yay. Most importantly though, Lucho is getting rest for key players ahead of an important stretch including all 3 competitions, and still had time for Suarez to hopefully regain some of his confidence. No midweek match this week, but a tough match against Malaga next Saturday precedes the monster UCL match against MANC at the Etihad the following Tuesday. Will be very interesting to see how Lucho lines them up for Malaga (assuming he goes with his typical XI for MANC).
 
One last thought, I've come to the belief that no one understands Messi's style as much as Dani Alves. If you watch MFs or even the forwards combine with Messi, they usually seem to be bewildered by the passing angles and lanes Messi creates and frequently looks for. Alves though, is usually on the same page. I bring this up because although Dani is starting to show his age and isn't the all-world FB he used to be, he might have more value to Barca and Messi by extension, which will be interesting this summer. One caveat, Neymar is starting to gel with Messi on several levels. Early in the season, their short passing was starting to blossom, so teams frequently keyed in on the space between the two phenoms. As a result, Messi and Neymar have started perfecting the combination where Messi cuts in from the right flank and beats the entire defense over the top to find Neymar on the back post. I guarantee this combo will become more proficient as the season wears on.
 

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Barca dropped 3 points against Malaga over the weekend. Before disparaging Barca's performance, it must be said that Malaga had outstanding defensive shape, attacked relentlessly on the counter, and deserved their win. Now for Barca, Alves gave up a bad goal on a mis-touch, but that shouldn't have been the deciding factor. Messi was disinterested in the first half. He was stationed on the right wing, and often he would hang towards the midfield line instead of joining the flow of attacks. He did not have a good workrate and he did not take on defenders successfully. He played better in the 2nd half when he was put in the playmaking center role, but his dribbles still did not meet his lofty expectations. Neymar was more interested than Messi, but his dribbles also were not beating defenders. He and Messi could not find their connection. Suarez continues to have a great workrate, but seems to be an offensive afterthought. Iniesta did not have any impact on this game, although I wonder how much of that is his dip in form and how much of that is tactics. Rafinha had a high workrate and is not really expected to generate offense. Sergio had a fine, but unremarkable game. Alba played well, but for all of his accolades, I was hoping for a bit more out of him on offense (probably unfair, I know). PIque and Mathieu played fine in the middle and were often defending the counter in huge space - not an easy task. Bravo was not at fault on the goal and otherwise made some good saves.
 
There were several tough offsides calls against Barca. Still though, they had tons of trouble breaking down the Malaga defense. With Iniesta's dip in form and Suarez still struggling to find his proper role and see runs, Barca has become very dependent on Neymar and Messi breaking down defenses from the wing. This isn't a terrible strategy since they're both amazing, but against well-disciplined and talented defenses, the lack of a plan in the middle hurts. Lucho should probably consider working on some possession drills towards the middle between the lines and having SNM make diagonals runs in behind the defense. Iniesta is capable of taking on a defender and finding these runs, but it's not clear if anyone else on the team can do so (this used to be Xavi). Rakitic may be able to do this and give the offense some better attacking options, and having Masch at DMF play long balls over the top may be a better option than Sergio who helps very much in possession, but typically does not provide incisive passing. At the end of the day, Malaga is a solid club and top 5 in the table and Barca are probably guilty of looking ahead to MANC a bit. Nevertheless, Messi's lethargy and the lack of a backup plan other than relying on Messi and Neymar is a bit alarming. 
 

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I wouldn't blame them for looking forward to playing City, they've made us look like complete fools on multiple occasions and tomorrow isn't likely to be different if I'm being honest.  The whole team was probably salivating at the prospect of UCL glory. 
 
I just hope the box isn't extended by a yard again this season for Messi.  He's good enough without the help.
 

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Barca beat Villareal 3-1 in the 2nd leg of their Copa del Rey semifinal to put Barca into the final. The first goal was really nice and kind of the anti-Pep style - Masch hit an awesome long ball hitting Suarez in stride down the left flank. Suarez controlled it and quickly hit it across to Messi on the right. Then Messi, doing what he does, hits a curling cross over/through the defense and Neymar finishes with a nice volley. That was in the third minute. Barca controlled nicely for most of the first half, but towards the end, Villareal really started looking good and Dos Santos finished a nice cross to give Villa hope going into half. After the break, Barca was still getting pinned in a bit by Villareal, who is awesome and fun to watch. Sadly, a bad tackle by Villareal led to a roja directa, and after that, the game wasn't nearly as interesting. Suarez went around the keeper for Barca's second, and after subbing on Xavi, assisted on a beautiful cross to Neymar for a header goal. Barca go on to the final against Bilbao on May 30. Sergio also took a nasty cleat to the ankle and left the game. It looks like he will miss the MANC match.
 

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Resounding drubbing of Rayo Vallecano over the weekend, 6-1. Messi got a hattrick, although one was a missed penalty he was controversially allowed to retake and another was a tap-in. Yet, the third goal was wonderful. Suarez was the star of the match though. Xavi put him through on an amazing one touch pass against the grain and Suarez finished deftly with the outside of his right boot to the near post. Suarez looks comfortable finishing in the box again, which means trouble for Barca's future opponents. Neymar sat out due to suspension, and Pedro didn't look great in his stead. This was a great game for Xavi to get a start and he can definitely contribute against the right teams. Masch looked capable at DMF while we wait to see how Sergio's ankle is. His long balls were a bit off today, I wonder if that has something to do with him getting more accustomed to serving them from CB. Pique looked outstanding and even grabbed himself a goal. Mathieu was fine. Alves had a pretty weak game and Alba was solid. Iniesta was also solid. Barca visits tiny Eibar over the weekend before hosting MANC midweek next week. Real dropping all 3 points over the weekend was huge and sets up a monster 2-week stretch with UCL and La Liga.
 

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Things starting to look a bitch sketchy for Sunday. Messi and Alba are both likely out with injuries and Masch is out due to suspension. I assume Pedro, Neymar, Suarez start up front and Adriano or Montoya steps in for Alba. Pique and Mathieu at the back. Sergio starts at DMF.
 

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Real squeaker against Celta Vigo yesterday. Most of the credit for the close game should go to Vigo, who played bravely and outstanding. They missed a couple of good chances, otherwise Barca might've given up points. Adriano played for an injured Alba and the effects were noticeable. Adriano didn't get upfield as often and it reduced the space for Neymar to play. Long story short, 2 brutal offsides calls hurt Barca, but in the 76th minute, Xavi launched a pretty cross to the far post on a free kick near the corner of the box and a diving Mathieu got on the end of it and nailed a brilliant header into the upper ninety. Rafinha started in the middle with Iniesta and Sergio, and the lack of Rakitic was very present. Iniesta had one of his better games this year while the forwards and Rafinha did not. Not an inspiring round at all, and games coming up on Wednesday this week, although I'm not sure why.
 
Edit: Xavi, not Messi assisted on the goal.
 

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Barca cruised against a weak Almeria side with a B-side lineup. Alves and Adriano started at FB (but Montoya replaced Dani), Masch and Bartra played at CB, Sergi Roberto got the start at DMF with Rak and Xavi at MF, with Pedro, Messi, and Suarez up top. Rafinha came on to replace Rak in the 2nd half. Having Xavi on this team is a real luxury. When Barca need to just keep possession and salt a game away, Xavi is there. When the MF is having trouble with keeping possession, Xavi is there. When Rak or Iniesta needs a break, Xavi is there. Sergi Roberto played pretty well and that should open up opportunities for Sergio to move forward in the lineup going forward or playing 2 pivots in the future. Pedro looked sharp and had a nice assist on the 2nd Suarez goal. Big match coming up Saturday against 5th place Sevilla. Don't be fooled, Sevilla is solidly in that 2nd tier behind the big 2, along with Atleti and Valencia. They are 11 points clear of 6th place Villareal. Should be a fun one as Valencia and Sevilla battle for the 4th UCL spot.
 

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It's been super quiet in here recently. But, Barca cleared a huge hurdle this weekend by beating Valencia 2-0. Valencia outplayed Barca in the first half, but Sergio played an awesome ball to Messi on the counter and he layed off for a toe poke from Suarez. In the first minute of play. Enrique decided to try Masch and Sergio in MF together along with Xavi, and they couldn't hold it together. At halftime, Enrique smartly took off Adriano (with a caution), pushed Mathieu out wide, Masch back to CB, and Rakitic coming on. The team looked much more balanced in the second half. Bravo had a few other great saves to add to his superlative season. It really shouldn't be overlooked how well Barca managed their GK situation. Mathieu looked downright speedy on the outside. The best lineup may include both him and Masch at the back.

At the very end of the game, Messi took a cleared ball from midfield, nearly botched a 1 v. 1 with the keeper, but ultimately scored his 400th goal. As he went behind the net to celebrate, he slipped and landed on his back. Instead of getting up, he just laid there for a moment, and it was just awesome. Pour yourself a drink and enjoy the video below (30 mins):

http://youtu.be/k0198nRgcNk
 

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In reading the match reports, I was surprised--shocked, even--to learn that Iniesta has zero(!) assists this season. The team is evolving, and Iniesta and Xavi are certainly not the dynamic duo they once were. Still, it's shocking that Barcelona has made this transition rather easily. 
 

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In reading the match reports, I was surprised--shocked, even--to learn that Iniesta has zero(!) assists this season. The team is evolving, and Iniesta and Xavi are certainly not the dynamic duo they once were. Still, it's shocking that Barcelona has made this transition rather easily. 
 
Iniesta has done unheralded work along with Rakitic and Rafinha in pressing this season. It was amazing yesterday how PSG couldn't even maintain possession in their defensive 3rd. Lucho's possession offense is really dependent on having the strikers create for one another with only occasional runs from the MF. This lets the MF sit back a bit and press quickly when possession is lost. If Barca can tread water next year and bring in Pogba, a MF of Sergio, Rak, and Pogba would be just absolutely ridiculous.
 

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Barca absolutely dismantled Getafe yesterday, scoring 5 in the first half. Messi took a nice pen to kick things off. Messi then hit Suarez with an insane ball over the top, which Suarez even more insanely side volleyed to the near post for the 2nd. Neymar got isolated in the box for #3, calmly dribbling past a defender before slotting home. Xavi hit a made-it-look-way-too-easy curler from the corner of the box for #4. Very similar goal from Suarez for #5, except that it came on a first touch from a bouncing ball. Messi topped it off with a sensational goal for #6 in the second half. See goals here:
 
http://screamer.deadspin.com/barcelona-are-unreal-right-now-1700734862/+billyhaisley
 
Also, Lewandoski broke his jaw yesterday in the German Cup. Assuming Robben and Ribery are out, this definitely limits Pep's options for UCL.
 

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Barca didn't look all that impressive for the first 20 minutes of this match, but really, kudos goes to Cordoba for that brief stand. After that, Barca POURED it on in a fashion that was utterly delightful. Just so we're all clear, Barca put in 8! against the bottom dwelling Cordoba. Suarez, Messi, Rakitic, the D, and Bravo all looked sharp. Neymar really didn't, but did draw a pen in the 2nd half which Messi let him take after already having a brace himself. Suarez had 3, Pique had 1, and Rakitic had 1 as well.
 

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Barca lost 1-0 to Real Sociedad on Jan 4.  Since then, their record in all competitions is P28 W26 D1 L1, with 91F 20A, for GD+71.  That includes victories over Man City home and away, PSG home and away, Atletico Madid three times, and Real Madrid.  
 
I was skeptical about how well Messi-Suarez-Neymar would mesh, but holy crap since Suarez settled into the side they've just been destroying everybody.
 

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Wow. Thanks for sharing those statistics. At this point, I don't think anyone remembers any of the negative press written about the end of the Barcelona way--or dynasty--in January. Those articles were fun to read, but they certainly built a case around a small sample size. 
 

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Can someone be a fan of both Messi and Ronaldo and hang signed jerseys from both side-by-side on their wall without being a total tool? Doesn't it have to be either or? Real and Barca jerseys side by side...is that a thing?
 

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A bit of a tool. Messi and Ronaldo are once-in-a-generation players, truly exceptional talents. Someone can admire both players and even root for both of them. Messi has been at Barcelona his entire life, so it makes little sense to root for Real Madrid Ronaldo and Messi. At the same time, it's possible that this Ronaldo fan jumped on his bandwagon when he was at Manchester or even Sporting. Perhaps, too, this person is Portuguese. 
 

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As recently as a month ago, I despised everything CR7. I'm a 5'9'' Argentine Barca fan, so Messi is #1 forever for me. The connection runs deep. I still despise CR for his sheer vanity, his lack of enjoyment of others' accomplishments, and because he's a self-centered dick, but I've watched a lot of Real in the past month and I now fully appreciate that he is a generational talent. I obviously should've been enjoying his skill before, but hey, baby steps. Generally speaking, I've come around to the belief that the best soccer involves aesthetics. Real-Sevilla and Real-Juve are 2 excellent recent examples of that. I'd say Barca-Sevilla and Barca-Valencia qualify as well. All that being said, if Barca-Real is the UCL final, I will buy a replica CR7 Real jersey and burn it in effigy.
 

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I don't think you'd be a tool at all. 
ok.  They are both hanging on the wall of one of my partners' offices.  Just felt to me like it would be hanging Bird and Johnson jerseys side by side.  I'm a root for the laundry guy.
 
edit:  you can only imagine how nuts he's going right now
 

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I still despise CR for his sheer vanity, his lack of enjoyment of others' accomplishments, and because he's a self-centered dick, but I've watched a lot of Real in the past month and I now fully appreciate that he is a generational talent.
One of the genius things Messi has done is to be a blank slate. He doesn't talk or display much emotion. Just shows up and plays like a maniac. So people get to project whatever personality traits on to him. I've always sensed that because CR7 can be an ass, fans just logically place a positive personality on Leo since he is so different from Ronny. But we really don't know what kind of guy he is. In fact, I don't think I would recognize the sound of his voice. And he's been one of the world's most famous people for about 10 years.
 

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Well speaking of Messi that 2nd goal he scored today was unreal. Sounded like one hell of a match.
 

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Messi was breathtaking today. Every Barca game for me feels like a religious experience - I just wait for the Messi miracles. Memories of Messi will last forever, romanticized over time but it's pretty fucking great in the moment.
 

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One of the genius things Messi has done is to be a blank slate. He doesn't talk or display much emotion. Just shows up and plays like a maniac. So people get to project whatever personality traits on to him. I've always sensed that because CR7 can be an ass, fans just logically place a positive personality on Leo since he is so different from Ronny. But we really don't know what kind of guy he is. In fact, I don't think I would recognize the sound of his voice. And he's been one of the world's most famous people for about 10 years.
 
The thing is, I think he's naturally shy and reclusive. You're right that he hasn't done anything to be perceived as anything other than a blank slate, shy, and reclusive, but I don't even care about CR's personal life. I just don't like his attitude on the field. Whenever he passes the ball, it almost comes as a shock to me and I recognize that he gets a lot of assists.
 
W/r/t Messi, this year I think it's become evident how much he demands the ball. Watch how Alves, Rakitic, Suarez, and Neymar combine with him. The purpose of the start of many Barca attacks is get the ball to Messi. I'm not saying this isn't a terrific strategy, but at times it looks like Messi can jump into an already built up attack, but he just stays 3/4 up the field hugging the touchline and basically demands that he lead the orchestra.
 
In sum, they're both generational talents who are probably more alike than I think, but I think Messi has more of an assassin's mentality whereas CR sees himself as more of a gladiator. None of this makes sense even to me. Carry on.
 

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Barca rested several players over the weekend (Sergio, Iniesta, Rakitic) and still got a 2-0 win over Real Sociedad. Messi crossed for a fortunate Neymar header and Pedro had a ridiculous bicycle kick goal in the final minutes. Equally important, Valencia drew with Real Madrid, so that Barca are now 4 points clear. A win in either of the two last games clinches the title. Oh, Barca also has a small game against BAYERN this afternoon. Although the tie seems out of reach for ze Germans, the first 15 minutes of this match will be critical. I think Barca will press like they have in every game since January, but if I'm Lucho, I think hard about keeping Iniesta and Rakitic a little father back for the first 10-15 minutes.
 
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I might be out of the loop, but: why wouldn't there be a game?  Not seeing anything on ESPN.
 
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Got it, thanks.  But that would only affect La Liga games, right?  Not today's fixture vs Bayern?
 

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So, I just read a statement from what I think is LFP saying that if the games are cancelled, Barca are named champions (i.e. presumably, the table is final without the last 2 rounds). What I'm trying to understand is the relationship between LFP and RFEF. Can anyone shed light on this? AFE is the players' union and I get why they are stakeholders and their role, but RFEF is the Spanish soccer federation I think, so I'm surprised that they are in conflict with LFP, which I'm guessing has authority over aspects of La Liga (as opposed to the RFEF, which I'm guessing only governs Pro/Rel and some aspects of how La Liga must run)?
 
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So, here's a detailed description from Sid Lowe about what the hell is going on.  I found it pretty easy to digest, even as a relative football newbie.  In short:
 
- The strike is off, for now (there's an injunction, effectively, preventing it from happening before June 17th), so the games will be played and the season completed
- If the union wins its right to strike, they get EUR 5MM that the league had to put in escrow to get its injunction
- The law effectively enshrines in a spanish constitution of football that the top 2 teams will control the league (via permanent seats on its board of governors), and get a hugely disproportionate share of TV revenue
- Although the law tries to reduce the current disparity in revenue, it guarantees that Barca and RM won't see a reduction in revenue for at least 6 years, so if any deal is struck where the sharing formula 
- Most of this is a pissing match between the leaders of the organization that runs the top 2 divisions (LFP) and the organization that runs "the Federation" i.e. all other non-top divisions and all the referees for all divisions (RFEF).  RFEF has effectively lost face and responsibilities, which is pissing FIFA off.
- The union is getting screwed here, along with the fans and various other stakeholders.  Barca and RM have given up very little.
 

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Congrats to Barca. A roller-coaster of a season. The sky was falling in January -- recall those articles about the end of an era? Well, something clicked at that point, and Barcelona became nearly unstoppable. Messi, Neymar, and Suarez were outstanding, and Pique remembered how to play top-level football. An impressive season, for sure.
 

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Does anyone have a stream for this game? I pay for BeIn but I don't get BeIn Espanol??? What a load of horeshit.
Yeah, I was not happy to turn on Bein at 1 to see Real Madird vs Espanyol was being shown instead of Barca vs Atelti. I can't figure out why they would have made that decision.
 
Oh well, at least Barca won the league.
 

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The runup to that Messi goal was obscene. beat a 3 man trap against the sideline, humiliates another defender and slots it near post.
 
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