Arsenal 2013-2014: Insufferable & Unsuccessful -- And Worse than Chelsea

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Are we done with the "I don't even want to root for my team, money is ruining the game" whining now?
 
Seems impossible to believe that Madrid valued Bale at Ozil + 40+m.  Or that they felt it necessary to bring in Isco to displace Ozil.  Very little of what has gone down at Madrid this summer made a ton of sense, but Arsenal is the big beneficiary here, Ozil is phenomenal.
 
1) You can think Özil is a fantastic signing (and value for money) and still feel shortchanged by Arsenal's inability to sign more than one player for a fee of more than £1 during the entire summer transfer window.
 
2) You can be happy that Arsenal was willing to spend the money to get Özil and still feel that money is ruining the game, and that by buying Özil Arsenal's chances of winning the Premiership this year are still less than the Pirates' chances of winning the World Series at the start of this season.
 
These are not mutually exclusive positions for someone to take.
 

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JayMags71 said:
Are you shitting?

"One of the best wingers from one the best international teams in the world? That's all?"
We  needed more players. We dont have enough fit players to balance being in 4 competitions. I dont think its outrageous to be stoked about Ozil but upset we didnt fill the remaining holes in the squad with ANYTHING. Not that we didnt drop another 40m on someone but we didnt get ANYTHING for CB or defensive mid and got no help for striker. These were needs before Ozil was even on the radar and getting him doesn't plug those holes. 
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
And if you can't be bothered with that, "Oezil" is technically just as correct - the umlaut can be replaced with an extra "e".
 
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I'm too cultured for that
 

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Wenger deserves credit for waiting it out and getting a player of Özil's caliber (who I agree is among the absolute best players now in EPL). I don't think his impact can be overstated frankly.

However, I also think there are serious questions as to why he couldn't bring in a couple of loans or ~£5m buys to shore up his squad. It's well and good to get on Arsenal fans for entitlement or what have you, but this is a hurting squad whose depth was not supplemented at all this window. Maybe Özil's play and luck with injuries renders that moot, but I'm pretty shocked that Wenger did absolutely nothing to patch up his back line or supplement Giroud outside of pimping Bendtner.
 

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Finally some great transfer news for Arsenal. Can't wait to watch Ozil in red. Kind of a crappy day for United makes me happy, too.
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
 
But yeah, Arsenal still has little to no squad depth at most positions. I wonder if we'll now see Walcott play more through the middle?
I wonder this too - if Theo still wants to play up the middle so badly, is there some sort of handshake agreement with him that he's next in line? On the current squad he's certainly better than Bentner.
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
 
Wenger did get Flamini, about whom I'm cautiously optimistic, to help out at DM. But yeah, Arsenal still has little to no squad depth at most positions. I wonder if we'll now see Walcott play more through the middle?
I'd say we would if we had any cover at RW but we really dont. Gnabry I guess could play there? I dont know. The whole thing still feels a real shambles. We needed more depth and didnt get it.
 

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Snakebauer007 said:
Who called Ozil a winger?  Still can't believe this deal went down, best pure #10 in the world, and maybe if he settles quickly, the league's best player
Definitely. Ozil maybe was a winger 3 years ago. Now, as Snake says, he's one of the best, if not the best pure #10 in the world (I'd rate Iniesta higher as a #10-type). Hard to see him not being at least as good as Mata, Silva but I think he's better than them both.
 

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Wenger deserves credit for waiting it out and getting a player of Özil's caliber (who I agree is among the absolute best players now in EPL). I don't think his impact can be overstated frankly.

However, I also think there are serious questions as to why he couldn't bring in a couple of loans or ~£5m buys to shore up his squad. It's well and good to get on Arsenal fans for entitlement or what have you, but this is a hurting squad whose depth was not supplemented at all this window. Maybe Özil's play and luck with injuries renders that moot, but I'm pretty shocked that Wenger did absolutely nothing to patch up his back line or supplement Giroud outside of pimping Bendtner.
 
Mathieu Flamini can play a bit of left back, having been part of the 2006 backline that didn't allow a goal for something like a thousand minutes in the Champions League. That allows Sagna to cover at CB.
 
I'm not saying it's an A+ transfer window, but jeez, we signed Mesut fucking Özil. That alone makes it an A. 
 
I can't even remember the last time I felt like this in sports, where somebody so good signed so unexpectedly with a team I liked. I might be stretching back to Barry Bonds with the Giants here. That was a true "NO WAY" moment. 
 

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I think the other great thing is that this transfer has broken that glass ceiling of Arsenal not spending with the big boys. Now, Arsenal may be cheap from time to time. However, spending that kind of money is no longer unprecedented territory.
 
Hopefully, the team can keep it together for the first half of the season and Arsene can add a piece or two in January, even though he hates that window. I heard that Vermaelen should be back soon, and that should provide more defensive cover. I'd reckon that a striker will be the big(gest) target in the winter and next summer.
 

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@Bonger

If Giroud gets hurt, you will not think this an A window. We'll be playing Yaya fuckin Sanogo, Nicklas Bendtner or Chuba Akpom at central striker and that is a joke.

Be happy for Özil all you want, not saying you shouldn't be but let's reel it in a bit. Arsene still missed on our biggest need.
 

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We have the best midfield in the league. We can play 4-6-0 if we want, and we have one guy in Cazorla (two if Rosicky comes off the bench, three when Arteta comes back) who can hit a long one and we might have the best final-ball guy in the world. Theo's going to love that. 
 
There's no doubt Arsenal need at least one other striker - I think if anything became clear in the transfer hullaballoo before the last 72 hours, it's that Arsenal KNOW they need an elite striker with the Suarez and Rooney bids - but even if we lose our top gun we're not coming into a fight with a toothpick. There are some goal-scoring options there. 
 
At the end of the day, my Spurs fan mates are gutted. The best player in any transaction they made left the club. The best player in any transaction we made joined the club, and he's better than any player on Spurs. I can't yet knock Spurs's drive to sign 14 three-and-a-half star players, it's given them countless options on and off the bench, to absorb injuries where as Arsenal are only 2 injuries away from another crisis. But we signed ourselves a Fucking A GUY and that can't be underrated. 
 
Speaking of Giroud:
 
Cazorla to the left of me
Ozil to the right
here I am
stuck in the middle Giroud
 

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I'm with you Bonger.
 
The Özil signing may not have addressed immediate needs, but it definitely puts the club in a stronger position in the future. He's 24 years old. He can be a difference maker at the club for the next 6-8 years.
 
sachmoney said:
I think the other great thing is that this transfer has broken that glass ceiling of Arsenal not spending with the big boys. Now, Arsenal may be cheap from time to time. However, spending that kind of money is no longer unprecedented territory.
 
Hopefully, the team can keep it together for the first half of the season and Arsene can add a piece or two in January, even though he hates that window. I heard that Vermaelen should be back soon, and that should provide more defensive cover. I'd reckon that a striker will be the big(gest) target in the winter and next summer.
 
Quoted for truth - this is what excites me the most about yesterday, the realization that Arsenal has now set a precedent for buying big (and paying top wages), and that the conveyor belt of top talent can flow toward Arsenal and not always away from it. And as long as Arsenal gets decent luck with injuries between now and December, the January window is there to help strengthen the squad. Still, with Man Utd/Man City/Chelsea all showing some vulnerabilities so far this season (and none of them having looked rock-solid in 2012-13 either), it does seem as though the league is at least slightly open to intrusions from outside of that established Top 3, which is why Arsenal's inability to close more than one major deal still rankles. It's entirely possible that if Giroud and one of KoscielnyMertesacker/Sagna are both out for a month during the first half of the year, Arsenal could wind up falling just short at the end of the season or fail to progress in the Champions League because of dropped points attributable to their absence. Finishing in the top four is not an actual trophy.
 
And look: I follow Arsenal with both my heart and my head. I want to believe that Özil could be enough to help Arsenal win a trophy, and I would rather live in hope of better things than feel cynical and jaded and frustrated (or even stop supporting my club when my head tells me that is probably the purely rational course of action to take). Signing Özil will do much to un-poison the atmosphere at the Emirates precisely because most fans want to hope for the best and believe better times might be just around the corner; that in and of itself is a good thing. So I'll choose to be positive. Heck, maybe nobody else will get injured between now and April...it could happen, right?
 

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Right now things are fine.

If Giroud gets hurt, things will look ugly.

I feel like a team of Arsenal's value and supposed ambitions should not be hanging the first half of the season on luck.

It's an extremely dangerous game being played here.
 

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Spacemans Bong said:
We have the best midfield in the league. We can play 4-6-0 if we want, and we have one guy in Cazorla (two if Rosicky comes off the bench, three when Arteta comes back) who can hit a long one and we might have the best final-ball guy in the world. Theo's going to love that. 
 
There's no doubt Arsenal need at least one other striker - I think if anything became clear in the transfer hullaballoo before the last 72 hours, it's that Arsenal KNOW they need an elite striker with the Suarez and Rooney bids - but even if we lose our top gun we're not coming into a fight with a toothpick. There are some goal-scoring options there. 
 
At the end of the day, my Spurs fan mates are gutted. The best player in any transaction they made left the club. The best player in any transaction we made joined the club, and he's better than any player on Spurs. I can't yet knock Spurs's drive to sign 14 three-and-a-half star players, it's given them countless options on and off the bench, to absorb injuries where as Arsenal are only 2 injuries away from another crisis. But we signed ourselves a Fucking A GUY and that can't be underrated. 
 
Speaking of Giroud:
 
Cazorla to the left of me
Ozil to the right
here I am
stuck in the middle Giroud
Who starts for your 'best midfield in the League' ?
 

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Walcott's goal was pretty as hell, and what can you say about the season Ramsey is having.
 

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Didn't watch because of work, but followed obsessively on my phone.
 
What happened with the Marseille PK? Why given, I mean.
 

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Walcott's goal was pretty as hell, and what can you say about the season Ramsey is having.
 
Ryan Shawcross should be kicked in the ballbag once a day for every single day we (football fans) were deprived Ramsey's talent?
 
SidelineCameras said:
Didn't watch because of work, but followed obsessively on my phone.
 
What happened with the Marseille PK? Why given, I mean.
 
Never a penalty - Ramsey made a poor touch to put the ball into the path of the Marseille attacker, but then he recovered and toe-poked the ball first before clipping the man. Poor decision.
 
If Arsenal can keep winning perfectly even matches like this, I might yet become a believer again...
 

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Ryan Shawcross should be kicked in the ballbag once a day for every single day we (football fans) were deprived Ramsey's talent?
Hopefully, there will be many kicks to the ball bag on Sunday.
 
Couldn't watch the game, but saw gifs of the goals. Sounds like it was a struggle. What were some of the things you guys noticed? Passing wasn't crisp? Gibbs played well despite like of cover in front of him? I'll hang up and listen.
 
I'd say it was very much like most of Arsenal's league perfomances at the end of last season: not always fluent, sometimes living on the edge, but grafting hard and always finding just enough quality (and/or luck) to get the desired result. Really, either team could have won the match, but Marseille couldn't take advantage of the few openings presented to them - notably when Fanni yanked a close-range volley just wide early in the second half, and then later when a horrible mix-up between Szczesny and Mertesacker (vaguely reminiscent of Koscielny in the League Cup final vs. Birmingham) was cleared off the line by Gibbs. On the other hand, when Marseille made their mistakes in the second half, Arsenal punished them: Walcott had looked peripheral all night, again, before volleying home a great goal which will hopefully give him a confidence boost he rather needs, and then Ramsey took advantage of a huge gap in the Marseilles defense and then got a lucky deflection off of a defender's boot on his shot. (That goal fits the Ramsey-as-emerging-superstar narrative more than it creates it; he made a good run, but I wouldn't call it a superb piece of talent.)
 
I don't think Arsenal could have complained with a draw, but as much as I've hated hearing Wenger prattle on about "mental toughness" in recent years - hoping that the wish would father the deed - this team does seem to have more self-belief than any other Arsenal squad of the last five or six years.
 

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Thank god, I hate waking up before noon on Saturday. Lots of flipping between the Pats game.
 

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Good win today. Three goals, all from set pieces. It's incredible what a capable free kick taker can do for a team. Arsenal is finally utilizing the height that they have. Good to see Sagna, Mertesacker, and, of course, Ramsey get goals. Never expected Arsenal to be the ones scoring off set pieces and Stoke to get their goal off open play. Also good to see Arteta get some burn at the end there. Gotta expect to see him mid week in the League Cup to regain match fitness.
 
Oh, and top of the league, which is cool and all.
 
EDIT: My Özil jersey game, which is also cool.
 

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Good, solid win against an opponent Arsenal should be able to handle, especially at home.
 
Great to see Arteta back out there. It will be strange to see him in a League Cup game but he needs the playing time.
 
Also, tip of the cap to Geoff Cameron. Glad his goal didn't hurt in the long run, but it's good to see a Mass native and former Rhody Ram make his bones in the EPL.
 

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Assuming good health for all*, what is Arsenal's best 11 on the roster right now? 
 
* Except Diaby, that guy is never ever going to be healthy for more than 15 minutes.
 
Great question. Seven selections are obvious:
 
--Szczesny in goal
--Sagna, Mertesacker and Koscielny in defense
--Özil and Santi Cazorla in midfield (I assume you have to pick them both if fit and available)
--Giroud up front.
 
At left back I'm equally happy with Gibbs or Monreal, so that's eight. On current form, Ramsey has to be included, so that's nine. But then you have two midfield slots left, and you still have Arteta, Wilshire, Flamini, Walcott, Podolski and Rosicky (to say nothing of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Diaby and Gnabry) to choose from. It's a nice problem to have...shame you can't transfer that depth to other areas of the park, of course.
 
By the way, the comments I may or may not have made in the past about David Moyes being a suitable replacement for Arsene Wenger...can I possibly get them stricken from the record? If his Man Utd reign so far is any indication, he'd probably have Santi on the bench and Özil in the director's box, not that Özil would have come anywhere near Arsenal in the first place.
 

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soxfan121 said:
Assuming good health for all*, what is Arsenal's best 11 on the roster right now? 
 
* Except Diaby, that guy is never ever going to be healthy for more than 15 minutes.
 
 ---------------Szczesny --------------
Sagna-Mertesacker-Koscielny-Gibbs
------------Arteta-Ramsey------------
--------Walcott-Ozil-Cazorla---------
----------------Giroud------------------
 
On the unrelenting injury front, Walcott looks like he's going to be out until mid-October with an abdominal strain.
 

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 ---------------Szczesny --------------
Sagna-Mertesacker-Koscielny-Gibbs
------------Arteta-Ramsey------------
--------Walcott-Ozil-Cazorla---------
----------------Giroud------------------
 
I've been thinking about Soxfan's question since yesterday and I am still stumped. My lineup is close to this one except I think you still need Wilshere out there. The exercise assumes complete health, and we haven't seen Jack fully fit since I don't know when - 2010? I just don't know who he replaces.
 

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I go with Lukiewerle's lineup in most matches but substitute Flamini for Arteta or Ramsey in tough matches away and in Europe when I want a little more teeth defensively.

I don't see where Wilshere would fit into a top 11. On current form, I think Ramsey is a better player.
I'd still like to see AW experiment with the two of them in a double pivot in select matches.
 
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