Arsenal 2013-2014: Insufferable & Unsuccessful -- And Worse than Chelsea

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Luis Taint

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Fox Sports1 isn't showing the West Brom match, anyone have any idea where I can watch it?
 

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A win is a win, I guess. With guys like Vermaelen and Arteta needing to regain fitness and the great form of the current squad, at the very least, these extra matches should provide a chance to get them fit, in addition to being an opportunity at a trophy. Looking forward to the Chelsea game. I wouldn't be surprised if both squads brought it somewhat considering Mourinho and Wenger aren't the best of friends.
 

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Chelsea and Tottenham playing to a draw is the best result for the Gunners. Good way to start the morning ahead of a tough away fixture.
 

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Absolutely great day so far, and an excellent opputunity to put space between Arsenal and the manchesters.
 

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Following on this stupid tracker, which says that Ramsey looked pretty badly hurt at end of half - ankle, they said.  How bad was it?
 

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Think someone is having a laugh cuz he was never hurt. Giroud got stepped on and came off the pitch for the final minute or so but thats about it. Dont think its much serious though. 
 

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Quite a difference from the first 45 thats for damn sure. Rambo looks like the best midfielder on Earth right now.
 
He owes us like 10 bodies by now.
 

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Even conceding that Ben Davis goal, it never looked like Arsenal were going to lose. At a difficult away ground. As my mate said, he hasn't felt that confident of closing on a one-goal lead since Sol was back there.
 
I am officially in the Church of Latter-Day Championship Believers. The rest of the league is pony.
 

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I dunno bout that... the last 10 minutes were dodgy. But job done, 3 points in the bag and 8 points clear of united.
 
 
Feels good man.
 

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mikeford said:
I dunno bout that... the last 10 minutes were dodgy. But job done, 3 points in the bag and 8 points clear of united.
 
 
Feels good man.
Why are you concerned with how many points clear of Newcastle you are?...Oh.
 
Spacemans Bong said:
I am officially in the Church of Latter-Day Championship Believers. The rest of the league is pony.
 
This. There's no reason for Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea to be looking so ordinary, and they may all wake up soon enough, but as long as Arsenal is banking points that they aren't matching, Arsenal's odds are shortening all the time. I believe they're now third-favorites for the title with the bookies - ahead of Man Utd and Spurs, behind Man City and Chelsea.
 
By the way, last night was my favorite Match of the Day episode in a long time - Man Utd and Man City losses, Arsenal win, Spurs-Chelsea draw (with Torres sent off), and Danny Murphy/Roberto Martinez in the analyst chairs instead of Shearer, Hanson, Lawrenson et a. Happy days...
 

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By the way, last night was my favorite Match of the Day episode in a long time - Man Utd and Man City losses, Arsenal win, Spurs-Chelsea draw (with Torres sent off), and Danny Murphy/Roberto Martinez in the analyst chairs instead of Shearer, Hanson, Lawrenson et a. Happy days...
How was Martinez? I didn't get a chance to watch.
 

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ConigliarosPotential said:
This. There's no reason for Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea to be looking so ordinary, and they may all wake up soon enough, but as long as Arsenal is banking points that they aren't matching, Arsenal's odds are shortening all the time. I believe they're now third-favorites for the title with the bookies - ahead of Man Utd and Spurs, behind Man City and Chelsea.
 
By the way, last night was my favorite Match of the Day episode in a long time - Man Utd and Man City losses, Arsenal win, Spurs-Chelsea draw (with Torres sent off), and Danny Murphy/Roberto Martinez in the analyst chairs instead of Shearer, Hanson, Lawrenson et a. Happy days...
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In all seriousness, I'm questioning why I should keep supporting Arsenal.
Had to be done.
 

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Really impressive showing today from Arsenal - took their chances early, continued to generate good opportunities from their possession advantage, and looked rock solid in the back. 
 

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Neither can most of Real Madrid's fans.
 
We ain't won shit yet but I still can't really believe we got him. I mean, Arsenal in that sad-sack lame ass situation pulled off the transfer of one of the best players to ever join the Premier League. It's like the dark cloud just got up and moved, overnight.
 

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Man... That ball is nowhere close to settled and he just nails it...that's impressive.
 

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Neither can most of Real Madrid's fans.
 
We ain't won shit yet but I still can't really believe we got him. I mean, Arsenal in that sad-sack lame ass situation pulled off the transfer of one of the best players to ever join the Premier League. It's like the dark cloud just got up and moved, overnight.
 
Or is it just great, patient management? Part of the transfer game (like any deal) is the relationship and part is being ready to capitalize on unexpected circumstances. In hindsight, the bitching about the lack of transfer business seems very silly, as the waiting game netted (see above). Wenger surely knew well in advance of the actual transaction that Ozil was going to be available. He made his deal and let the bullshit hit him from all sides. His press conferences from this summer are HILARIOUS if you think the Ozil deal was struck significantly before deadline day. He didn't screw up the deal for his partners at Real Madrid by blabbing (and screwing RM on the PR with its fans). He didn't respond to a frantic fan base. He calmly laid out bricks of cash for (see above) and waited for the Bale transaction to get finalized. And his business demeanor will make future deals with RM (a talent pipeline) easier. At least until Fiorentino Perez is deposed. 
 
To get the best players it takes some combination of mountains of cash, mountains of bullshit and/or inhuman patience. Wenger isn't infallible  but he's a much better poker player than most Arsenal fans seem to think.
 

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I'll take the point with most of the team clearly tired. All credit to West Brom for playing a strong game.

I am very excited for the return of Theo, Santi, Poldi, and the Ox. Lots of midfiled and offensive options when people get fit
 

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Eh, I don't think they looked tired. I'd just give West Brom credit for packing it in and making it hard for Arsenal to win back the ball when they were in possession. It was a tough and frustrating game. They just couldn't string together the killer ball. This was bound to happen sometime.
 

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Let's not forget West Brom won at Old Trafford last week and finished 8th in the Premier League last season. They are a very competent, difficult side to play against. A point is nothing to be ashamed of.
 
Everybody is doing that these days
 

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Goal aside (and he got massively lucky), Jack Wilshere played like absolute shit today. He needs to be dropped from the starting XI. Ramsey NEEDS to play centrally, hes USELESS on the wing. He didnt impact the game AT ALL today on the wing and the form he's in, youre completely wasting him by shifting him out wide. 
 
Put Rosicky wide til Cazorla and Theo return. Anything is better than Wilshere right now.
 

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I wouldn't say Wilshere played like shit, but he does need to simplify his game a little right now.  Ideally, he's part of a 3 men for 2 spots rotation at the base of the midfield with Arteta and Flamini, with Ozil and Ramsey playing farther up the pitch.
 
And you're right: put Rosicky or someone else out wide until Ox, Theo and Santi return.  And keep feeding Gnabry minutes.
 

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WIlshere had a bad first half, but he picked it up in the second half. In the past, we'd probably see him lose control of his emotions, especially following that yellow card. He kept everything under control. He was far from his best, but I was impressed with how he composed himself in the second half.
 

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Every time I looked in the first half, Wilshere was on the ground having either just lost possession or failed on an awful challenge.
 

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Michael Cox wrote a pretty interesting piece on Arsenal's narrowness against WBA. Unfortunately, Arsenal won't be able to have the versatility to add width until Theo and Ox come back. Perhaps even Poldi, if you classify him as a winger. Jack and Ramsey don't feel comfortable out there.
 

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Would Arsenal be best served going with a 3-at-the-back/2 wingback approach until they get their wide players back? Liverpool have done this with pretty good success thus far.
 
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Koscielny - Mertesacker - Vermaelen
Jenkinson - Flamini - Wilshere - Gibbs
Özil - Ramsey
Giroud
 

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The hope is that Cazorla and Walcott will be back anyways after the international break. 
 

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PedroSpecialK said:
Would Arsenal be best served going with a 3-at-the-back/2 wingback approach until they get their wide players back? Liverpool have done this with pretty good success thus far.
 
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Koscielny - Mertesacker - Vermaelen
Jenkinson - Flamini - Wilshere - Gibbs
Özil - Ramsey
Giroud
No one would be best served by Vermaelen playing.
 
Or Jenkinson.
 
 
Or Wilshere for that matter.
 

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Instead of picking on the personnel you chose, I'll talk about the formation. Essentially, you're swapping out a midfielder for a CB. That right there for starters probably doesn't work. You're pushing the wing backs up the field, which creates pockets behind them. I'm not sure having an extra CB really solves that problem, even if they're told to fill that space. Additionally, the great Arsenal attacking sides have been able to overlap on the wings, and you probably still lack that and you will still lack that until you get some authentic wingers. Lastly, putting another CB on the field exposes the team's depth.There are three CBs plus Sagna right now and putting them all on the pitch makes them susceptible to injury and eroding any depth the team has.
 
Wenger has tweaked his formation in the past, but I don't really see the 3-4-3 appealing to him. 
 

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Özil, Cazorla, and Sagna passed fit. Not sure if Cazorla will be able to start. Ideal scenario would be to get a goal or a few and take Özil out for Cazorla. I suspect that Norwich will be a tough battle though.
 
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