And it Burnes, Burnes, Burnes… to Baltimore?
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Orioles actually acting like a winning franchise and maximizing this window they have is good for the game.
Cross another guy off the list of "someday the Bosox will fix their rotation by acquiring this guy!"
Holy shit, amazing what happens when you have owners willing to spend money to make their ball club better!
(yes, I know it’s a trade, but they’ll be able to extend him)
Wow, and they didn't really have to give up anything from the top top tier. They still have so many pieces.
EXACTLY what they needed to do.
EXACTLY what they needed to do.
Seems like a light return - they can definitely afford to give up an infielder.
EDIT: I see it’s a competitive balance pick.
EDIT: I see it’s a competitive balance pick.
It only looks light because it's the Orioles. That's a real solid return for the Brew Crew. Ortiz immediately steps in as their shortstop as the future, which they need with Adames hitting FA after this season. He should be an average player at the position, with the upside of being more; he could be a Verdugo, good contact, takes some walks, just lacks the pop to be a star. Downside is a utility man, but I think the approach and contact are good enough that he's going to be a MLB regular. Hall's downside is premium reliever, and I imagine the Brewers take a shot at keeping him in the rotation this year where he could still prove to be a top half of the rotation arm. I don't love this draft as much as last year's, which could be a once in a decade crop, but 34th should yield another prospect in the ballpark of both of those guys. For one year of Burnes, I'd be real happy if I were a Brewers fan. They've got a lot of young talent of their own coming up, and this deal adds even more dirt cheap MLB talent.
Imagine they can now flip Adames for a pitcher, or add a guy like Ryu to add some depth to the rotation.
Kind of goes to show that we know nothing until we know something.
But yeah, this is a monster trade for that team. I love it. As bad as the Orioles being good is for the Sox, watching this young core is going to be awesome for fans of baseball.
I am curious to see if he extends, but I kind of doubt it.
Burnes left CAA and signed with Boras last year. A 30 year old #1 starter free agent is going to be coveted like gold next offseason. The Orioles are gonna have to pony up big time to keep him.
Wow, that seems a lot for one year of Burnes, I think more than NY gave up for one year of Soto (?). The Orioles do need to move some of their young prospects as they have so many, they could make 2-3 more deals like this and still not really impact their young core.
I don't know if this is because of the new ownership (probably?), but it seemed like it needed to happen all winter, I figured it would be for two years of Cease but BAL I guess got tired of waiting for the White Sox to be reasonable.
And the 2024 AL East gets that much tougher!
I don't know if this is because of the new ownership (probably?), but it seemed like it needed to happen all winter, I figured it would be for two years of Cease but BAL I guess got tired of waiting for the White Sox to be reasonable.
And the 2024 AL East gets that much tougher!
Cease is a mess. I would much rather have one year of Burnes (who will be the best pitcher in the rotation) than two years of Cease (who might wind up being the worst pitcher in the rotation.)
Greater likelihood Yankees don’t win the division so doesn’t suck at all.
Thanks for breaking out.
No way that’s more than what the Yankees gave up for Soto. Michael King is an actual MLB pitcher that performed at a high level. Drew Thorpe is ranked as a fringe top 50 prospect in the 2024 rankings: #58 per BA and #45 per BP. And then on top of that San Diego received Brito and Vasquez.
BA has Hall, who walked like 6 guys a game as a 25 year old in AAA last year, as barely making their list. Ortiz missed.
View: https://twitter.com/baseballamerica/status/1753227760200306925?s=46
No problem.
The goal in Boston should be to actually win the division. Not sit around waiting for 2026 and pining for the Yankees to lose the division.
Not quibbling with your overall argument, but there does seem to be some disagreement about Joey Ortiz's level. BA has him as Baltimore's #7 prospect, but Fangraphs has him at 50 FV and Baltimore's #3 prospect. Fangraph's rating puts him above Teel and Anthony but below Mayer.
Regardless this trade seems to me like one of those win-win situations where Baltimore is dealing from a position of fantastic depth and getting exactly what they need back, while the Brewers are getting back a very solid piece, an intriguing secondary piece and a reasonable draft pick. If the Red Sox had and were giving up Joey Ortiz without an extension in place for Burnes I'm not sure if I'd be happy about it, but if I were an O's fan I'd be pretty pleased.
Add in the fact that this is a fanbase that hasn't had their team make a major acquisition in a very, very long time. They now feel like they are players in everything and with their new ownership, they have a hope of signing their young players, which they had been resigned to losing to FA.
Absolutely, it's an incredible time to be an O's fan. When I was really young and lived in NoVA (pre Nats) I very loosely rooted for the Cal Ripken Jr. O's, but lost interest in baseball for the better part of a decade and had been living in MA for years when Pedro's ASG performance pulled me back in. There's absolutely no turning back the clock for me at this point, but for the first time in my decades rooting for the Sox, I'm just a tiny bit jealous of my young self.
With the Angelos family out of the picture and the team transitioning to GFIN mode, I have to admit on this forum of Red Sox and Yankees fans (and lone Rays fan) that I'll be pulling for the Orioles in the AL East. I haven't been to Baltimore in several years now, but 10-20 years ago, my sister and her husband lived in Western Maryland (after one year on Baltimore's northside). So aside from The Jake, I've been to more MLB games at Camden than anywhere else and had developed a secondary rooting interest for them during the Markakis era.
FG is the slowest updating prospect source; that grade and ranking are basically mid 2023, not post 2023.
But to your last sentence, that's where I am. I'm pretty surprised at extension hasn't been announced. With an extension that trade makes a lot of sense...without, that's a helluva lot of longterm value out the door.
Even if Fangraphs is outdated, MLB Pipeline is on board too. Joey Ortiz is their #63, Thorpe is #85. Bush tilts the Soto package to being more robust in my view but this was a real price for Burnes. It feels roughly equivalent with if the Sox dealt Raffaela and like, I dunno, a higher end Josh Winkowski? A better Kutter Crawford? Hard to say, but MIlwaukee did well for sure. Made sense for Baltimore too, this is why you try and build up a really strong prospect base so you can afford to do things like this if they players won't be MLB contributors for your team.
Soto does make $31M, I imagine that depressed his trade value a bit - only so many teams can take that on.