Adam Wainwright Done For The Season - Achilles Tear Likely

[CarolinaBeerGuy]

Terrible injury. I have a buddy who is a lifelong Cardinals fan and he's crushed right now. Time to install the DH rule league wide.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/26/it-sure-sounds-like-adam-wainwright-suffered-a-serious-achilles-injury-saturday-night/

EDIT: Link updated.

 

[MakMan44]

NOT YET!! It's not official yet!
 

Spoiler

He's on my fantasy team

 

Spoiler

:cryyoupussy:

 

[InsideTheParker]

Is this a hoax? Because the above link to cbssports just has "fantasy teams" stuff.

 

[Dustin the Wind]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/592314923000188930

 

[Hendu for Kutch]

Anyone heard anything about recovery time?  Would he be ready for next spring or would an Achilles injury linger into next season?

 

[MakMan44]

https://twitter.com/Cardinals/status/592341805082906626
 
Official called an Achilles injury, that's all folks. 

 

[Remagellan]

One of my best friends is a huge Cards fan, and we were recently arguing about the DH.  This really settles it for me.  It is stupid to put people who put in so little preparation in the position to face major league pitching, particularly given how valuable pitchers are to the game and the increased risk of injury both at the plate and on the bases.  
 
They've done practically everything else to eradicate the distinctions between the leagues, to leave this huge and most significant one between them is asinine.  
 
This is terrible for Wainwright, all Cards fans, and all fans of baseball who will be denied the opportunity to see this great pitcher ply his craft for at least a year because of a stubborn insistence on a tradition that has be eradicated everywhere else except the National League.  

 

[Lars The Wanderer]

Dude took one step after hitting an infield pop up. It wasn't even like he was busting it out of the box trying to beat out a play at 1B. So now we are not even expecting baseball pitchers to know how to jog?

 

[YTF]

I understand that there has been much discussion over the need/desire for both leagues to play under the same rules, but THIS injury shouldn't be the rally cry for THAT argument. It happened taking one step. Pitchers run to cover first base, field bunts and in the outfield during pregame warm ups. I'm guessing that doesn't stop any time soon.

 

[MakMan44]

Just to keep you guys informed, the Cards GM reiterated that Wainwright is likely done for the season.

 

[uncannymanny]

I understand that there has been much discussion over the need/desire for both leagues to play under the same rules, but THIS injury shouldn't be the rally cry for THAT argument. It happened taking one step. Pitchers run to cover first base, field bunts and in the outfield during pregame warm ups. I'm guessing that doesn't stop any time soon.

Pitchers practice fielding. They do not really practice torquing their body around swinging a bat and sprinting out of the batter's box (because it's a thing they have to do once or twice a week because of aforementioned stupid tradition). Every pitcher injuring themselves taking at bats should rally support for ending this.

 

[Lars The Wanderer]

Pitchers practice fielding. They do not really practice torquing their body around swinging a bat and sprinting out of the batter's box (because it's a thing they have to do once or twice a week because of aforementioned stupid tradition). Every pitcher injuring themselves taking at bats should rally support for ending this.

 
Wainwright didn't sprint out of the box.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Pitchers practice fielding. They do not really practice torquing their body around swinging a bat and sprinting out of the batter's box (because it's a thing they have to do once or twice a week because of aforementioned stupid tradition). Every pitcher injuring themselves taking at bats should rally support for ending this.

 
What are you talking about? He barely made it out of the box. There was no sprinting

 

[YTF]

Pitchers like all players should be practicing all facets of their game. That includes hitting, especially for National League pitchers.

 

[brs3]

It's ridiculous to suggest this is the reason the DH should be installed in the NL. This could've happened fielding a ground ball. 

 

[glennhoffmania]

It's ridiculous to suggest this is the reason the DH should be installed in the NL. This could've happened fielding a ground ball. 

 
Agreed.  The reason the NL should have the DH is because it's totally ridiculous in general to play under different rules regardless of whether or not pitchers hitting causes injuries.

 

[SumnerH]

Agreed.  The reason the NL should have the DH is because it's totally ridiculous in general to play under different rules regardless of whether or not pitchers hitting causes injuries.

 
This is no particular reason for the NL to introduce the DH rather than for the AL to eliminate it--either would solve the problem equally well.  (hell, on paper it's the AL that's at fault for causing the rules schism by introducing a disharmonious change to begin with)

 

[glennhoffmania]

 
This is no particular reason for the NL to introduce the DH rather than for the AL to eliminate it--either would solve the problem equally well.  (hell, on paper it's the AL that's at fault for causing the rules schism by introducing a disharmonious change to begin with)

 
For those who enjoy watching pitchers hit or who think the DH is destroying the game or whatever, your point is 100% valid and correct.  The main objective should be to play under the same rules.  What those rules should be is a separate argument.  Personally I like the DH and hate watching pitchers bat, and I can't imagine the MLBPA ever going along with the elimination of the DH.

 

[Wingack]

It's ridiculous to suggest this is the reason the DH should be installed in the NL. This could've happened fielding a ground ball. 

 
Which is exactly what happened to Marcus Stroman. 

 

[Rasputin]

 
This is no particular reason for the NL to introduce the DH rather than for the AL to eliminate it--either would solve the problem equally well.  (hell, on paper it's the AL that's at fault for causing the rules schism by introducing a disharmonious change to begin with)

Except that watching pitchers hit is like shaving your scrotum with the rusty bic you going in the back of the closet.

 

[mauidano]

Except that watching pitchers hit is like shaving your scrotum with the rusty bic you going in the back of the closet.

That'll get you the tetnus shot for sure.

 

[Plympton91]

If pitchers who hit was a valuable skill, then there would be a premium paid in free agency for pitchers that are good hitters. Has anyone ever documented a differential?

 

[glennhoffmania]

So now Scherzer will miss time after getting hurt while batting.

 

[singaporesoxfan]

 
Agreed.  The reason the NL should have the DH is because it's totally ridiculous in general to play under different rules regardless of whether or not pitchers hitting causes injuries.

Teams are allowed to play in very different ballparks, with the variation in the field of play being far greater than what's allowed in basketball or football (both American and association). So baseball's not particularly concerned with consistency, nor is consistency always desirable.

The DH should be the rule because it produces aesthetically more pleasing baseball; the consistency of rules argument is a weak one.

 

[glennhoffmania]

Teams are allowed to play in very different ballparks, with the variation in the field of play being far greater than what's allowed in basketball or football (both American and association). So baseball's not particularly concerned with consistency, nor is consistency always desirable.

The DH should be the rule because it produces aesthetically more pleasing baseball; the consistency of rules argument is a weak one.

 
We're on the same side but I think consistency only strengthens the argument.  There's a huge difference between playing in parks with different dimensions and not using the same type of lineups.  It affects roster construction and puts the visiting team at a disadvantage in every series.  Combine that with the aesthetics issue and to me it's a slam dunk.

 

[jon abbey]

I wonder how pitchers feel about it overall, I'm sure plenty of them would be happy to never hit but I'm also sure that all of them are happy to see the opposing pitcher step up in almost every case.
 
I have always watched way more AL baseball than NL, but the NL version drives me nuts with the pitcher sometimes pitching around multiple guys because they know that automatic out is coming (in cases where the pitcher is going too well to even consider pulling). 

 

[SumnerH]

 
For those who enjoy watching pitchers hit or who think the DH is destroying the game or whatever, your point is 100% valid and correct.  The main objective should be to play under the same rules.  What those rules should be is a separate argument.  Personally I like the DH and hate watching pitchers bat, and I can't imagine the MLBPA ever going along with the elimination of the DH.

Oh, I'm not making an argument either way. Just saying that "the rules should be the same" isn't inherently an argument for or against the DH.

(in a vacuum I'd even probably assume that the burden is on the people who changed from the existing rule they were using to justify themselves or return to the norm. Those arguments may exist for the DH, but it's not as simple as just saying the rules are different so therefore the NL should change; that argument doesn't distinguish itself in either direction)

 

[kenneycb]

Pitchers like all players should be practicing all facets of their game. That includes hitting, especially for National League pitchers.

Except this was a running injury, not a hitting injury. If he got Jermaine Dye'd in the shin you'd have an argument. Otherwise I think it's safe to say he has a lot of practice running and torquing his body in such a manner whenever he has to run towards a soft grounder that dies shortly before the grass that his IF can't reach.

 

[Fred not Lynn]

I wonder how pitchers feel about it overall, I'm sure plenty of them would be happy to never hit but I'm also sure that all of them are happy to see the opposing pitcher step up in almost every case.
 
I have always watched way more AL baseball than NL, but the NL version drives me nuts with the pitcher sometimes pitching around multiple guys because they know that automatic out is coming (in cases where the pitcher is going too well to even consider pulling). 

From what I have heard, many pitchers LOVE to hit when they get a chance...ask an NL pitcher about his hitting and theres a good chance his eyes will light up, and he'll tell you about that one time he almost hit one out.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

Every pitcher injuring themselves taking at bats should rally support for ending this.

 
Should pitchers also stop playing golf?
 
(For the record, I loathe NL rules.)

 

[YTF]

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Posted Yesterday, 11:40 PM

YTF, on 26 Apr 2015 - 1:19 PM, said:

Pitchers like all players should be practicing all facets of their game. That includes hitting, especially for National League pitchers.

Except this was a running injury, not a hitting injury. If he got Jermaine Dye'd in the shin you'd have an argument. Otherwise I think it's safe to say he has a lot of practice running and torquing his body in such a manner whenever he has to run towards a soft grounder that dies shortly before the grass that his IF can't reach.       
 
Kenny if you go a bit further upthread to post #9, I think you'll see we're probably on the same page. I was responding to uncannymanny's  use of practice in terms of a pitcher "torqueing" his body around as he swings the bat. Meaning to say that if swinging the bat is part of his game, then he should be practicing it. You handled that much better than I did.    

 

[uncannymanny]

 
Should pitchers also stop playing golf?
 
(For the record, I loathe NL rules.)

I'd be willing to bet most pitchers get 10x more practice playing golf than hitting.

 

[MakMan44]

Tear confirmed, might be ready opening day next year. 

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

I'd be willing to bet most pitchers get 10x more practice playing golf than hitting.

Torque is torque.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

Torque is torque.

Huh? Golfers don't blow out Achilles' tendons.

 

[MakMan44]

Huh? Golfers don't blow out Achilles' tendons.

THEY TOTALLY COULD IF THEY WERE MLB PITCHERS IN THE OFFSEASON

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Huh? Golfers don't blow out Achilles' tendons.

 
Not to get all Roethlisberger here, but...
 

"2008-09: Torn right Achilles tendon. At the 2010 Masters, Woods revealed that he tore his right Achilles tendon in 2008, and re-injured the tendon several times in 2009, yet continued to play."
 

 

[Bosoxen]

 
Not to get all Roethlisberger here, but...
 

 
First of all, that's not a Roethlisberger.
 
Second, do we know that injury occurred while playing golf? That snippet isn't exactly clear on that. Correlation, causation, etc.

 

[barbed wire Bob]

First of all, that's not a Roethlisberger.
 
Second, do we know that injury occurred while playing golf? That snippet isn't exactly clear on that. Correlation, causation, etc.

Fwiw, ESPN put together a timeline of Woods' injuries. The list doesn't include an injury to the left knee he suffered as a kid while skateboarding.http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/10709728/tiger-woods-injury-line

Anyways, enough of the sidetrack and back to Wainwright.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

 
Not to get all Roethlisberger here, but...
 

 

December 2008: Injured his Achilles tendon in his right leg as he was running while preparing to return to golf. 
 

 
http://www.pga.com/news/pga-tour/complete-list-tiger-woods-injuries
 
That he is a golfer that blew out his achilles, does not mean he blew out his achilles golfing (as Bosoxen alluded to). It's not a torque injury, it's an abrupt movement one - just like Wainwright didn't get injured swinging the bat, he got injured when he planted to run out of the box. If a golfer blows an achilles on the course, it's much more likely to be climbing out of a bunker, stumbling after a swing in an awkward stance or stepping in a hole, than it is to come from his swing. The majority of golf injuries (that are specifically caused by actually swing the club) are wrist, elbow and shoulder injuries (usually tendon problems) or back issues. That's where the torque in a golf swing happens. Not the ankles. Which was my point. A point which is further made by the fact he played on a torn Achilles for over a year. If the swing was responsible for it, he wouldn't have ben able to just tape it up and keep going.