Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots
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fairlee76 said:
I'm on your side entirely with this one, I just don't like the fact that it comes before the formal charge is laid.
I'm assuming the worst at this point as well, but I'll hold my breath on it until he makes his first appearance.
I wonder if the release is also highly connected to the lack of cooperation with authorities. If he could have told the Pats "look, this is a bad situation but I'm going to clear my name and prove I wasn't connected just give me some time." that would be different. It's been very clear by the way this has been handled during the last week that he has NOT been cooperating and at a minimum is obstructing justice. I think in the end if he is connected he ends up released either way but that would be my guess as to why they didn't wait to see what he would be charged with. Well that and the connections that they have with LE that everyone has mentioned.
Like two minutes ago you could still buy Hernandez jerseys online:
http://proshop.patriots.com/search/?string=hernandez
Now, all products deleted.
http://proshop.patriots.com/search/?string=hernandez
Now, all products deleted.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider obstruction of justice in a murder investigation to be "bullshit" because you don't think it's any big deal, or because you think it was cooked up by cops who happen to be Jets fans, or what?redsox13 said:
In one of the approximately 15 threads we have on Hernandez, there is a photo of his perp walk this morning. Purely speculation on my part, but when I first saw it I looked at his face, and saw the look of a man who was, IMO, straining to see someone, a family member perhaps, knowing it would be the last time he would see them for a long time. That look, that photo, tells me that he knows he's done. And the Patriots organization, with their connections and the protections they put in place given their investments in these guys, know it too.
As Laddie said, from a purely human standpoint this is a shame. Had everything he needed in life, and it's likely gone now.
This isn't China, dude.
As Laddie said, from a purely human standpoint this is a shame. Had everything he needed in life, and it's likely gone now.
This isn't China, dude.
ZP1 said:
And I'm sure that Uncle Roger is more than willing to lend the Partiots any sources and connections that the league may have as well. Neither the team or the league want Hernandez's stank on their fingers.
My son loved the guy, he has 3 or 4 Hernandez T-shirts and jerseys and a Hernandez Fathead. Awkward to wear them now.Jnai said:
ShaneTrot said:
Mine wore his jersey to his first Pats game last year. Might have to switch to a Tebow to balance it out.
Btw, E5, forget what I said about locking the other thread. This is already 50x worse.
The speculation and mouth breathing going on here is ridiculous. The team is under no obligation to let this play out. At a minimum, the whole thing happens separately from the team and is significantly less of a distraction. At best, they recover some money. And for Kraft,it's about drawing a clear line that any involvement in something like this--whether Hernandez shot this guy himself or was involved in a "bullshit obstruction charge"--is unacceptable, period.
The speculation and mouth breathing going on here is ridiculous. The team is under no obligation to let this play out. At a minimum, the whole thing happens separately from the team and is significantly less of a distraction. At best, they recover some money. And for Kraft,it's about drawing a clear line that any involvement in something like this--whether Hernandez shot this guy himself or was involved in a "bullshit obstruction charge"--is unacceptable, period.
One thing the media hasn't commented on at all - where are Hernandez's two friends in all of this? Have they been brought in? Have they talked with the police at all? I half wonder if one of them lawyered up and started talking with the police before Hernandez himself did.
P'tucket said:
No, it's because a lot of obstruction charges are laid very prematurely and they actually stem from other motivations. What if he destroyed the tapes because he knew that he was not even remotely connected to the murder, but the tapes would establish that he had an endless parade of ass and he didn't want his girlfriend finding out. Just tossing a hypothetical out there, not saying that this is what actually occurred. Obstruction charges in a serious matter such as this typically require a lot more investigation, so unless he completely screwed up when the police first contact him, they would have an uphill battle proving what his actual intention actually was.
P'tucket said:
I think that "bullshit obstruction" would be Hernandez doing something stupid to cover up his weed usage or perhaps hindering the investigation because he honestly thought his buddies were innocent. Or, perhaps that the police drummed it up hoping to get him to give them details they otherwise have no right to get.
Even obstruction in the case of trying to protect a friend/associate until that friend decided to turn himself in or something I guess you could somewhat "write off" as young kid mistake/misplaced loyalties/whatever.
That said, it's pretty clear the Pats want nothing to do with any of it.
redsox13 said:
Would you prefer that the Patriots had waited because (1) you think it was foolish to give up an offensive weapon (ay ohhhhhh!) when there is still an infinitesimal chance that he could see the field, or (2) you think they should have waited because their action publicly implies that they believe he's guilty? Or is it something else entirely?
Just a brutal 72 hours for Boston sports...Bruins kick to the gonads championship loss. Doc Rivers officially to LA, and can't formally start the rebuilding because of Stern. Hernandez hauled to the slammer and kicked off the Pats. Can't remember anything this bad in succession.
Cherington better wrap Buchholz and Ortiz in bubble wrap the next few days.
Cherington better wrap Buchholz and Ortiz in bubble wrap the next few days.
redsox13 said:
You need to understand that a lot of people know more than you do about what evidence exists---the police, the prosecutors, and in all probability the New England Patriots. So assuming that what you personally know is the same as those people is a terrible assumption, and one that will lead you to ridiculous places.
Yeah. Difference being this was an NFL scout's report, a report that likely compares each player to the normal player entering the draft. Guessing that when an NFL scout calls someone "moody," "unbalanced," and "angry" there is something wrong with the dude. The Pats took a risk, got a good two years out of Hernandez, and now have to cut ties.rembrat said:
P.S. - I'm an idiot. Three years.
Why are his arms inside his t-shirt during the arrest?
Didn't have a shirt on when they cuffed him, per T&R.
Didn't have a shirt on when they cuffed him, per T&R.
@GregABedard: Patriots decision to release Hernandez now means well-connected Patriots security dir Mark Briggs thinks this is going to get much worse
They have to be very confident in being able to completely void his contract or at least avoid that cap hit. They're not going to handcuff their team just to send a message to a guy. If they were concerned about the cap hit they could have just suspended him indefinitely, at this point they have grounds to do so
PhilPlantier said:
Option 1. If the charge is flimsy or minor, then I don't think that the chances of him seeing the field are necessarily infinitesimal. I'd hate to see the charges not sticking and Hernandez putting up big numbers for a competitor come September.
BoredViewer said:
The report was he arrived at the door shirtless, they arrested him, and then they put a shirt on him
Van Everyman said:
With all due respect....It's a forum........thoughts, ideas, POVs, speculation...........That's all this case is. Here, on TV, radio, EVERYWHERE!!! Opinions are like assholes and we're ALL assholes to some extent and FWIW I honestly don't see the spectulation as anything out of the norm here. Charges aren't public which fuels speculation, but basically it obstruction, murder, manslaughter or accessory to either. The team cut ties before charges are annouced which fuels speculation. Honestly what do you expect from people? If it's that big an issue then forbid any threads about anything until there is fact and fact only about whatever the subject matter happens to be. And one last thing, this is going to be an ongoing investigation and most likely a court case. Do we wait for trial, verdict and sentencing (if it comes to that) before we comment?
He supposedly (according the 98.5) answered the door shirtless. They probably tossed a T on him after he was cuffedDogman2 said:
edit: what about 47 others have said
fairlee76 said:
But what's the point of even revisiting this stuff at this point? Should the Pats not have drafted him? Nobody could have known something like this was possible, even with those off-the-field concerns it turns out he is a pretty good NFL player and it was worth the risk of a fourth round pick.
Presumably when the Pats handed him an extension they were going off of what they had seen of him first hand as a Patriot as opposed to what his reputation was going into the draft.
I posted the following several days ago in the locked Hernandez thread
Same question: until he's found guilty or innocent, aren't the Pats still contractually bound by the contract, and the guarantees still guaranteed? If this thing drags on a couple of years, the ultimate financial impact would be dragged out.
Unless you're a friend or relative of the murder victim, Reggie Lewis's death alone was much, much worse. The Bruins and Rivers are just stuff.GBrushTWood said:
bankshot1 said:
Depends entirely on what's in the contract. Unless I'm missing something, I'm pretty sure you can specifically stipulate that simply being charged with certain offenses (regardless of what the trial outcome might be) would be grounds to void the contract. And given all the reports about how the Patriots protected themselves well with Hernandez's contract, I'd be surprised if they didn't have a clause that covered this very scenario.
I don't blame them for drafting him. He was a first round talent who slipped due to the character concerns, concerns that were public knowledge when they drafted him. Obviously, these concerns did not include language to the effect of "likely to murder someone" but I think they knew he could end up being a shitbird. They gambled and ended up losing. It happens.Ralphwiggum said:
fairlee76 said:
This is what we don't know. How often does Moody/unbalanced/angry show up in the scouting reports, what else appears in that scouting report that qualifies the judgment, and how typical was that report of reports? Given the number of players who have beaten up girlfriends and gotten thrown off of teams I have no idea where he'd be on the bell curve of behavioral issues.
EDIT: It's possible this stuff was out there and the NFL teams were discrete about it but I view Hernandez going all shooty-shooty differently than how I'd view it if a player with a criminal record went and committed another crime.
YTF said:
It happens. My son's Tim Thomas shirt afforded a similar opportunity. He voluntarily chucked the shirt after the talk; I'll bet ShaneTrot's son will do the same.
Bergs said:
Awesome.
YTF said:
Agreed. The poor signal-to-noise ratio in this thread is preferable to a mod-imposed blackout where there's no insight on SoSH that isn't available on Twitter.
redsox13 said:
Look I'm no Saul Goodman, but I seriously doubt the charge of obstruction (if thats even what we're talking about here) is flimsy or premature. If that's what it is then it's one of two things, it's serious shit that Hernandez better start taking seriously OR it's a lesser charge until that allows the cops to keep their hooks in him until they are able to gather mounting evidence for something more serious that they can add to said charge.
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